Can you handle the Truth?

Started by Templares432 pages
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

There isn’t anything that I could say to you to make you believe in life after death. I could show you testimony after testimony from experts but I am not persuaded that you would give it equal time or objective consideration.

Testimony from what "experts"? Ghosts? Comatose patients sufferering from delusions due to carbon dioxide build up and oxygen starvation in their brains?

Afterlife=adult's Neverland

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

How do you know that a washing machine is a product of design? What earmarks, signs, clues, or characteristics lead you to believe something like this? The universe/earth have more evidence of design than a washing machine. This universe works inasmuch as everything that is necessary for life to exist is present in this cosmos.

Can’t you see this?

Life is infinitely more complicated than a crappy washing machine.

A washing machine is man-made thats why its a product of design. It doesnt naturally occur. All man made objects implies that they are a product of design. We learn that through experience.

The Universe, taken as a whole, is a natural object - so far, there is a natural explanation for everything - thats why it is NOT a product of design. That and the fact that we havent even experienced or encountered a supernatural phenomena, much less a supernatural being for real, makes the idea of a supernatural Universal Designer very unlikely.

Remember, natural objects like snowflakes can fool the unwary to think that they are a product of design.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

These are not a prophecies about Jesus. These are not the requirements for the real Messiah because none of it is based on Scripture, but on your own case of re-worded text.

*snip*

Bwahaha.

Of course they are NOT. These are the Messianic prophecies that Jesus FAILED, havent i made that clear. The same Messianic prophecies set down by the Jews, the folks who created the concept of the Messiah. The same concept that Christianity copied albeit, twisted and misinterpreted to fit their own religious dogma. Since Jesus FAILED these prophecies, he is definitely NOT the Messiah.

Christians are not the ones with the authority to say what constitutes a Messianic prophecy or not because theyre not the ones who came up with the idea on the first place. Those prophecies stick and are glaring contradictions to Jesus' claims of Messiahship. You cant claim Jesus to be the Messiah and just cherry-pick the prophecies that support his messiah profile while dismissing the rest.

I got that list of Messianic prophecies a long time ago on a Wikipage about the Jewish Messiah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah#Scriptural_Requirements

The external links are fun to use against Christians.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Natural Big Bang is a dead weight because nothing can come from nothing. All material things come from other material things. So, how could matter come from non-matter?

Why quantum mechanics of course! Saying simply god did it explains nothingon the"how" did god created something from nothing. Just another baseless assumption. Might as well raise the ignorance flag and say"its magic."

I'll just post my previous post again:
To assume that god designed/created the universe has MORE baseless assumptions attach to it than saying the Big Bang. First you have to assume that a religious concept like god exists, he is supernatural, he is eternal or at least exist before the Big Bang (uncaused), he has the power to create a universe, and that he is indeed the designer (and not some other god, basically you would also have to prove that there is only one god if youre into monotheism). That is at least 5 baseless assumptions with zero emprical evidence backing it, relying only on blind faith. The Big Bang's existence is backed by solid emprical evidence and its one assumption, that it is uncaused could be explained by quantum mechanics which states that the so called law of causality breaks down at fundamental levels.

I just love this statement "Cups of tea always cool off; they never spontaneously get hotter." I didn't know that tea started off hot 😆

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I just love this statement "Cups of tea always cool off; they never spontaneously get hotter." I didn't know that tea started off hot 😆

If you place your cup of tea in a hot environment it is find equilibrium and not cool down. It may even heat up if the environment is hotter then the tea.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you place your cup of tea in a hot environment it is find equilibrium and not cool down. It may even heat up if the environment is hotter then the tea.
Or if you place it in a cold environment then remove it, it will heat up. Guess I don’t need a physics degree to prove this guy wrong. 😆

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Or if you place it in a cold environment then remove it, it will heat up. Guess I don’t need a physics degree to prove this guy wrong. 😆

It would not do any good, even if you had one. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It would not do any good, even if you had one. 😉
I wonder if JIA will get this is the point that I was trying to make 😉

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I wonder if JIA will get this is the point that I was trying to make 😉

No, he will not.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Natural Big Bang is a dead weight because nothing can come from nothing. All material things come from other material things. So, how could matter come from non-matter?

It's apparent that you haven't read up on the subject of the big bang. It's not the idea of something coming from nothing, as you so believe.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
It's apparent that you haven't read up on the subject of the big bang. It's not the idea of something coming from nothing, as you so believe.

I have told him that increasing his education on the subject would help him, but he believes that is outside of the topic. 😕

Really the big bang theory is only one of many on how the universe was created, just some others off the top of my head are Multiverse, M-theory and Many-worlds interpretation just to name a few.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Really the big bang theory is only one of many on how the universe was created, just some others off the top of my head are Multiverse, M-theory and Many-worlds interpretation just to name a few.

Ya, I like the Multiverse. It answers some big question like "How could something come from nothing?". There never was nothingness...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have told him that increasing his education on the subject would help him, but he believes that is outside of the topic. 😕

Anything that's outside of what he already knows is outside of the topic

😆

Originally posted by Templares

Afterlife=adult's Neverland

Why so certain?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Really the big bang theory is only one of many on how the universe was created, just some others off the top of my head are Multiverse, M-theory and Many-worlds interpretation just to name a few.

...String theory(sub branch on branes)... 😮 (I am a stringger)

who here believes the Earth is flat because it's in bible?

Originally posted by The big EH
who here believes the Earth is flat because it's in bible?

Where does it say its flat in the bible?

i dont know exactly but it does, alot of fundamentalists think the earth is flat because the bible says so

Originally posted by The big EH
i dont know exactly but it does, alot of fundamentalists think the earth is flat because the bible says so

Really? The Bible says that the earth is flat? What is the chapter and verse?

like i said i dont know, read before you type, i've hardly touched a bible but when it comes to things being in it, i trust a fundamentalist christian

Originally posted by The big EH
like i said i dont know, read before you type, i've hardly touched a bible but when it comes to things being in it, i trust a fundamentalist christian

Well, I don't believe that it says that.