JIA,
If Jesus were to come back (as he's supposed to) and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is God made flesh, heaven/hell are factual, he died for our sins etc. etc. etc., people who have debated against you in here would be okay, sure they take a moment to reassess this new reality and they'd most likely make some serious changes in their lives, but they would endure.
Now, if it were proved to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus was just a man who had a kinder view of God, there is no eternal salvation or eternal damnation after death and the view of God as per the bible is simply man-made fiction, I'm certain who you have an complete mental and emotional collapse, of which you would most likely never recover.
If anyone couldn't 'handle the truth', it clearly is you.
Originally posted by Robtard👆
JIA,If Jesus were to come back (as he's supposed to) and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is God made flesh, heaven/hell are factual, he died for our sins etc. etc. etc., people who have debated against you in here would be okay, sure they take a moment to reassess this new reality and they'd most likely make some serious changes in their lives, but they would endure.
Now, if it were proved to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus was just a man who had a kinder view of God, there is no eternal salvation or eternal damnation after death and the view of God as per the bible is simply man-made fiction, I'm certain who you have an complete mental and emotional collapse, of which you would most likely never recover.
If anyone couldn't 'handle the truth', it clearly is you.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
So if God is without limit to power why would he need to rest?You have said that God can not lie not that he will not lie, by your statement that means that God doesn’t have free will. God created all things which mean that he created evil as well as good.
Your faith uses the argument all the time against Atheist that if you are not accountable for your actions by someone of a higher power then why do you have to be moral, God has no one to be accountable to so why would he be moral?
These are good questions, but I thought that I already explained the rest thing. That word is used to denote that God simply ceased to create at that time. I wrote in a previous post something to the effect that all Scripture on a subject must be examined to provide proper context and understanding in order to interpret Bible passages.
Regarding God not lying, originally I wrote in much earlier posts that God cannot lie because He chooses not to. But now I believe exactly what the Bible states. The Scriptures state in a number of different verses that God cannot lie, is not a man that He should lie, and that it is impossible for God to lie. God's free will is only subject to Who He is: Truth, Righteous, Holy, Good, etc. God is all of these things and more personified.
Again, God is moral by virtue of Who He is. God is good because God is good. This is Who He is personally and intrinsically. In other words, the reason that God is holy and righteous is because these virtues coexist as it were with God's Person. Characteristics like love and truth define Who God is eternally. I know it seems like God has no free will but He does. But His free will is subject to Who He is and God is only good.
Originally posted by Robtard
JIA,If Jesus were to come back (as he's supposed to) and prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is God made flesh, heaven/hell are factual, he died for our sins etc. etc. etc., people who have debated against you in here would be okay, sure they take a moment to reassess this new reality and they'd most likely make some serious changes in their lives, but they would endure.
Now, if it were proved to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus was just a man who had a kinder view of God, there is no eternal salvation or eternal damnation after death and the view of God as per the bible is simply man-made fiction, I'm certain who you have an complete mental and emotional collapse, of which you would most likely never recover.
If anyone couldn't 'handle the truth', it clearly is you.
With all due respect Robtard I am not at all worried about if's because with Jesus I have absolute confidence that He is all that the Bible states that He is. I have absolutely nothing at all to lose in your hypothetical scenario.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
With all due respect Robtard I am not at all worried about if's because with Jesus I have absolute confidence that He is all that the Bible states that He is. I have absolutely nothing at all to lose in your hypothetical scenario.
So, it sounds like you are agreeing with him. 😄
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
These are good questions, but I thought that I already explained the rest thing. That word is used to denote that God simply ceased to create at that time. I wrote in a previous post something to the effect that all Scripture on a subject must be examined to provide proper context and understanding in order to interpret Bible passages.Regarding God not lying, originally I wrote in much earlier posts that God cannot lie because He chooses not to. But now I believe exactly what the Bible states. The Scriptures state in a number of different verses that God cannot lie, is not a man that He should lie, and that it is impossible for God to lie. God's free will is only subject to Who He is: Truth, Righteous, Holy, Good, etc. God is all of these things and more personified.
Again, God is moral by virtue of Who He is. God is good because God is good. This is Who He is personally and intrinsically. In other words, the reason that God is holy and righteous is because these virtues coexist as it were with God's Person. Characteristics like love and truth define Who God is eternally. I know it seems like God has no free will but He does. But His free will is subject to Who He is and God is only good.
We can go back into the whole free will thing but you will not and never accept the clear definition so that is pointless.
As for the rest if God breathed the words into his scribes why would he choose a word that has nothing to do with stopping his work? Isn’t God supposed to be perfect? Also what about God creating Evil, how can something being pure and holy create all forms of Evil, and before you say he didn’t remember that he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
OK, a lot of words that do not say anything like “God is good because God is good”.We can go back into the whole free will thing but you will not and never accept the clear definition so that is pointless.
As for the rest if God breathed the words into his scribes why would he choose a word that has nothing to do with stopping his work? Isn’t God supposed to be perfect? Also what about God creating Evil, how can something being pure and holy create all forms of Evil, and before you say he didn’t remember that he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
A god with bad memory?... 😆
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Just as a side note God did create evil “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”
Not necessarily, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just a mechanism whereby Adam and Eve's free will could be exercised. That's it. I don't know that knowledge of good or evil was somehow present in the tree or its fruit or could somehow be obtained through eating from it. Adam already knew what good and evil was because God had told him. He told him what trees he was permitted to eat from and which one he was not allowed to eat from. Hence, good is eating from every tree except for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But evil would be to violate this command and to eat from the tree of which he (Adam) was forbidden from eating from. It is as simple as that. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just a test or an object against which there free will could go into force.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveYou got all that from "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil"? You missed the OF part of that statement, and again if God inspired his scribes to write his words why did he have them phrase it this way if it means what you say it means? The way it is written is that the tree is the knowledge of Good and Evil, don’t know how much clearer it can be.
Not necessarily, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just a mechanism whereby Adam and Eve's free will could be exercised. That's it. I don't know that knowledge of good or evil was somehow present in the tree or its fruit or could somehow be obtained through eating from it. Adam already knew what good and evil was because God had told him. He told him what trees he was permitted to eat from and which one he was not allowed to eat from. Hence, good is eating from every tree except for the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But evil would be to violate this command and to eat from the tree of which he (Adam) was forbidden from eating from. It is as simple as that. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was just a test or an object against which there free will could go into force.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
OK, a lot of words that do not say anything like “God is good because God is good”.We can go back into the whole free will thing but you will not and never accept the clear definition so that is pointless.
As for the rest if God breathed the words into his scribes why would he choose a word that has nothing to do with stopping his work? Isn’t God supposed to be perfect? Also what about God creating Evil, how can something being pure and holy create all forms of Evil, and before you say he didn’t remember that he created the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Da Pittman, I have a question for you: why are roses fragrant? Why is water liquid or why is air invisible to the naked eye? These questions relate to the intrinsic nature of the things under discussion. Hence, God is good because (i.e. this is the reason) God is good. It is not play on words or anything clever, it is the answer to a fundamental question. It is like, water is wet because that is simply an intrinsic characteristic of water. Things are because things are. God has no beginning or end so I cannot say that God is such and such because it's in His DNA which He inherited from His parents. God doesn't have parents so the only alternative for why He is the way He is--is Himself. God exists because "God" exists. God is the source of Himself and the sustainer of Himself (don't ask me to explain this because I cannot).
Concerning the word rest, let me ask you a question: what does the phrase "rest" mean to you in these contexts.
"I rested from responding to anymore posts."
"I rested from writing in blue ink."
"I rested from submitting any more replies."
Do you get the idea from any of those examples that I am resting in the conventional sense or that I am simply ceasing an activity?
I already answered the question about whether God created evil or not in the post above this one.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
You got all that from "The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil"? You missed the [b]OF part of that statement, and again if God inspired his scribes to write his words why did he have them phrase it this way if it means what you say it means? The way it is written is that the tree is the knowledge of Good and Evil, don’t know how much clearer it can be. [/B]
The tree was an object whereby Adam and Eve could know good and evil in the sense that what God had already told Adam was the good, and to break that would constitute the evil.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThere is so many things wrong with that post that I don't feel like going into but I can explain why a rose smells, water is wet and so on.
Da Pittman, I have a question for you: why are roses fragrant? Why is water liquid or why is air invisible to the naked eye? These questions relate to the intrinsic nature of the things under discussion. Hence, God is good because (i.e. this is the reason) God is good. It is not play on words or anything clever, it is the answer to a fundamental question. It is like, water is wet because that is simply an intrinsic characteristic of water. Things are because things are. God has no beginning or end so I cannot say that God is such and such because it's in His DNA which He inherited from His parents. God doesn't have parents so the only alternative for why He is the way He is--is Himself. God exists because "God" exists. God is the source of Himself and the sustainer of Himself (don't ask me to explain this because I cannot).Concerning the word rest, let me ask you a question: what does the phrase "rest" mean to you in these contexts.
"I rested from responding to anymore posts."
"I rested from writing in blue ink."
"I rested from submitting any more replies."
Do you get the idea from any of those examples that I am resting in the conventional sense or that I am simply ceasing an activity?
I already answered the question about whether God created evil or not in the post above this one.
As for rested: "not tired; refreshed as by sleeping or relaxing"
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAgain, this is your interpretation of the meaning that other would disagree. Why is yours right and not the literal word of God?
The tree was an object whereby Adam and Eve could know good and evil in the sense that what God had already told Adam was the good, and to break that would constitute the evil.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Da Pittman, I have a question for you: why are roses fragrant? Why is water liquid or why is air invisible to the naked eye? These questions relate to the intrinsic nature of the things under discussion. Hence, God is good because (i.e. this is the reason) God is good. It is not play on words or anything clever, it is the answer to a fundamental question. It is like, water is wet because that is simply an intrinsic characteristic of water. Things are because things are. God has no beginning or end so I cannot say that God is such and such because it's in His DNA which He inherited from His parents. God doesn't have parents so the only alternative for why He is the way He is--is Himself. God exists because "God" exists. God is the source of Himself and the sustainer of Himself (don't ask me to explain this because I cannot).
wow, that's one of the most blatant willfully ignorant post's I've ever seen.