Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI know that you really don't care, I'm just wondering why he seems to have a problem with you and that comment. To me it seems so hypocritical that just with one mention of a movie that he would "forsaken" you to a live of suffering in a lake of fire (even though it doesn't exist) but he believes it does.
Thanks, but I have not missed out. I can now say whatever I want and JIA will not dispute it. 😉 To me, that means he agrees. 😆
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I know that you really don't care, I'm just wondering why he seems to have a problem with you and that comment. To me it seems so hypocritical that just with one mention of a movie that he would "forsaken" you to a live of suffering in a lake of fire (even though it doesn't exist) but he believes it does.
It was the straw that broke the camels back. Believe it or not, my points were starting to get to him. 😉 So, it was easier to ignore me then deal with what I was saying. You are getting there, and soon you will join the club. 😄
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why is it a ruse? Sure, other cultures may not have cared for homosexuality, but none before the Abrahamic religions declared that it was officially and objectively wrong, or prohibited it. And then you say "Every known culture around the world says practically the same thing", which is not true. Greeks, Japanese and various American Indian tribes have held homosexuality in high regard and reverence. In fact, both the ancient Greeks and Feudal Japanese considered love between men the purest form of love. So its not true that the whole world hated gays, which you are pointing at in an attempt to show why religion is based on the biases of people.
It's a ruse because people use this loophole to justify their irrational hatred of homosexuality. They're pointing their hateful fingers towards god and saying he's why they hate it. But there are any number of other irrational beliefs that are no longer so strictly followed by the vast majority of christians that they don't cling to so fervently because they simply don't jive with their modern lifestyle. But that one rule is clung to because, like a lot of other societies through out time, homosexuality offends them because they don't understand it or they see something of it in themselves and condemnation of it is a great way to deny themselves the luxury of accepting it or at least understanding it in others.
I am fully aware of some acceptance of homosexuality in the ancient world. I have used it as a basis for arguing it's history and validity in many threads. (although not of Native Americans, that's a new one on me) But I'm talking about the bias of people in cultures. And that often comes from not being able to relate to the feelings that motivate. Which is odd, because they would certainly have to be aware of the feelings that motivate their own heterosexual leanings. But the three major religions of the western world condemn it, and since I believe all three to be the creation of man, not god, there is no conclusion other than it is institutionalized and propogated out of the notion of human offence; not divine. It is unfortunate that the whims and dictates of god can't be so easily ignored in this case as they have been in so many other cases. But, that it isn't is a very clear indication that man made god's religion and that only human arrogance would allow for a man to speak for the creator of the entire universe.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I'm not sure what you're asking.
I'm saying I don't understand why you can't see why I'm saying what I'm saying and why I'm saying it.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
most faiths [Re: some faiths-DK] encourage its believers to spread the word and try to convert others, there is a certain way to go about doing it, and it involves being respectful and knowledgeable of people's already established faiths.
But, if you respect their religion, why would you be trying to convert them to yours? To me, that sounds like they have very, very little respect for those faiths that aren't their own. That's like saying "be very polite when you tell them they're totally wrong and will be spending all eternity tied to a spit and slowly rotating over a pit of burning hot lava, their flesh constantly being burned and melted from their festering bodies because they believe incorrectly." That has always struck me as one of the most insidious characteristics of people who subscribe to christianity; the politely smug.
Originally posted by Devil King
But, if you respect their religion, why would you be trying to convert them to yours? To me, that sounds like they have very, very little respect for those faiths that aren't their own. That's like saying "be very polite when you tell them they're totally wrong and will be spending all eternity tied to a spit and slowly rotating over a pit of burning hot lava, their flesh constantly being burned and melted from their festering bodies because they believe incorrectly." That has always struck me as one of the most insidious characteristics of people who subscribe to christianity; the politely smug.
Exactly. This is what they call it being "tolerant."
It's not "accepting" what another believes but always nudging things here and there and reminding them of their sinful ways. In the meantime, "tolerate" them.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive😆
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Originally posted by Devil King
But, if you respect their religion, why would you be trying to convert them to yours? To me, that sounds like they have very, very little respect for those faiths that aren't their own. That's like saying "be very polite when you tell them they're totally wrong and will be spending all eternity tied to a spit and slowly rotating over a pit of burning hot lava, their flesh constantly being burned and melted from their festering bodies because they believe incorrectly."
One doesn't have to focus on hell when discussing why one should convert to one religion or another. The positive side is usually much more effective. People resonate with things that are uplifting and in some cases are willing to reevaluate their lives. Saying something welcoming or positive can be done without the slightest bit of smugness.
Originally posted by Devil King
That has always struck me as one of the most insidious characteristics of people who subscribe to christianity; the politely smug.
A characteristic that can be found in people that believe anything at all.
Originally posted by Devil King
It's a ruse because people use this loophole to justify their irrational hatred of homosexuality. They're pointing their hateful fingers towards god and saying he's why they hate it. But there are any number of other irrational beliefs that are no longer so strictly followed by the vast majority of christians that they don't cling to so fervently because they simply don't jive with their modern lifestyle. But that one rule is clung to because, like a lot of other societies through out time, homosexuality offends them because they don't understand it or they see something of it in themselves and condemnation of it is a great way to deny themselves the luxury of accepting it or at least understanding it in others.I am fully aware of some acceptance of homosexuality in the ancient world. I have used it as a basis for arguing it's history and validity in many threads. (although not of Native Americans, that's a new one on me) But I'm talking about the bias of people in cultures. And that often comes from not being able to relate to the feelings that motivate. Which is odd, because they would certainly have to be aware of the feelings that motivate their own heterosexual leanings. But the three major religions of the western world condemn it, and since I believe all three to be the creation of man, not god, there is no conclusion other than it is institutionalized and propogated out of the notion of human offence; not divine. It is unfortunate that the whims and dictates of god can't be so easily ignored in this case as they have been in so many other cases. But, that it isn't is a very clear indication that man made god's religion and that only human arrogance would allow for a man to speak for the creator of the entire universe.
I'm saying I don't understand why you can't see why I'm saying what I'm saying and why I'm saying it.
And I'm saying it isn't a ruse or loophole. If you wanna call it an "irrational hatred", then you might as well go a step further and call religion in general irrational. I maintain that they're not pointing at god as a loophole for their disdain of gays. The Abrahamic religions have an aversion towards homosexual activity just like Buddhists don't kill spiders and Hindus don't eat beef. Yeah that's right, "Hindus have an irrational adoration for cows". That's really not too far from what you're saying.
Is there anything rational about dodging beef or transcendental meditation? No, they do it for religion. The same reason Christians and Muslims don't care for homosexuality. I honestly think you're saying they don't like it for reasons other than religion, to give yourself confidence and ammunition in riding it off as invalid and a fairytale. The Abrahamic religions condemn something you self-identify as, so you're coming back with a few right hooks of your own and claiming "It's not the religion, its them!", when in fact they simply don't like it because of religion and nothing else.