Originally posted by Devil King
You've never paid anyone else the courtesy of an insightful response, why do you think you deserve one? You claim god is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't; that he would have been guilty of creating mindless automatons. However, that's exactly what you asipre to for the rest of the world. It's a sick neediness and obedience you display; not the possession of some all mighty free will. (Seperate from the fact that this is just some character you play for your own amusment, because no one else finds it entertaining) You copy and paste all your posts and you plaster every fanatical bit of video drivel you come across. You've turned the religion forum into your own personal e-toilet and you think no one has figured you out?Is that insightful enough for you?
I know what you meant to say, but...I did not say that God was damned. God is blessed forever.
Actually, I have many posts (too many to count) where I have not copied or pasted anything (this is one of them). And you wonder why I discern bitterness in you. You sound rancorous. Why? Jesus does love you and you can have joy unspeakable and full of glory if you just surrender your will to Christ.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveSo you have to surrender your free will to God to be free???
I know what you meant to say, but...I did not say that God was damned. God is blessed forever.Actually, I have many posts (too many to count) where I have not copied or pasted anything (this is one of them). And you wonder why I discern bitterness in you. You sound very cantankerous. Why? Jesus does love you and you can have joy unspeakable and full of glory if you just surrender your will to Christ.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Contradictory...Free will and surrendering.....that is not free will.
God intended for humanity to live a life in submission to His will. A person's free will is not at all undermined by this. Case in point: a good son or daughter who is submitted to his/her parents will is still able to exercise his/her free will, it is just done so within the scope of higher authority i.e. the parents. Moreover, a good police officer is submitted to a higher authority as well yet he/she maintains a degree of power and choice as to how daily responsibilities are carried out. A good soldier should know a lot about submitting to higher authority. Just because the soldier surrenders his/her will to a higher authority, that does not mean that he/she does not have a free will or that his/her free will has been relinquished. It is just that their free will is subject to certain limitations for the sake of others. So, surrendering one's free will to God i.e. the highest authority and the Source of all authority, does not nullify a person's power to choose, it just orients that power within/under the best and most beneficial parameters. If you stop and think about it no one exercises their free will in this life outside of certain intrinsic limitations. The only people who exercise their free will outside of the law are defined as law-breakers or anarchists. Prisons are replete with people who freely chose to exercise their will beyond established boundaries. Free will must be operated under a higher authority in order to maintain order and peace in any given situation because of the inherent limits that have been instituted for the good of all. There is no authority except from God. The authority that exists has been appointed by God (Romans 13:1). We experience the greatest fulfillment when we align our will to God's will because He is the Creator of all flesh, and He knows how we think, what need, what we desire, and what will bring us the greatest fulfillment. Again, it is no different than submitting your will to any other person. We submit our wills to other people all the time without realizing that we are surrendering our power to choose. But we do it because we know that it is necessary at times. We surrender our wills to those we transact business with, to those we encounter at a crosswalk in our vehicles, to animals so as not to harm them, to emergency vehicles in progress, to our significant others to maintain harmony in our relationships, to those who manage us on our jobs, to those whose businesses we patronize (we could just steal from them couldn't we?), to our creditors (we could just refrain from paying our bills right?), and even to our children who constantly demand something from us (especially when they are very young). Submission and surrender is already a part of our lives so why do we have such a problem submitting to the greatest authority that exists i.e. God? God has never commanded us to do anything that was not in our best interest to do. God has never instructed us to do anything that we were not capable of doing. God's purpose for telling us to do thus and so is always designed to secure, preserve, and maintain our optimum well-being.
Do you follow me Deja~vu?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat would be incorrect, I could go on more but you seem to be ignoring me again 😄
God intended for humanity to live a life in submission to His will. A person's free will is not at all undermined by this. Case in point: a good son or daughter who is submitted to his/her parents will is still able to exercise his/her free will, it is just done so within the scope of higher authority i.e. the parents. Moreover, a good police officer is submitted to a higher authority as well yet he/she maintains a degree of power and choice as to how daily responsibilities are carried out. A good soldier should know a lot about submitting to higher authority. Just because the soldier surrenders his/her will to a higher authority, that does not mean that he/she does not have a free will or that his/her free will has been relinquished. It is just that their free will is subject to certain limitations for the sake of others. So, surrendering one's free will to God i.e. the highest authority and the Source of all authority, does not nullify a person's power to choose, it just orients that power within/under the best and most beneficial parameters. If you stop and think about it no one exercises their free will in this life outside of certain intrinsic limitations. The only people who exercise their free will outside of the law are defined as law-breakers or anarchists. Prisons are replete with people who freely chose to exercise their will beyond established boundaries. Free will must be operated under a higher authority in order to maintain order and peace in any given situation because of the inherent limits that have been instituted for the good of all. There is no authority except from God. The authority that exists has been appointed by God (Romans 13:1). We experience the greatest fulfillment when we align our will to God's will because He is the Creator of all flesh, and He knows how we think. Again, it is no different than submitting your will to any other person. We submit our wills to other people all the time without realizing that we are surrendering our power to choose. But we do it because we know that it is necessary at times. We surrender our wills to those we transact business with, to those we encounter at a crosswalk in our vehicles, to animals so as not to harm them, to emergency vehicles in progress, to our significant others to maintain harmony in our relationships, to those who manage us on our jobs, to those whose businesses we patronize (we could just steal from them couldn't we?), to our creditors (we could just refrain from paying our bills?), and even to our children who constantly demand something from us (especially when they are very young). Submission and surrender is already a part of our lives so why do we have such a problem submitting to the greatest authority that exists i.e. God? God has never commanded us to do anything that was not in our best interest to do. God has never instructed us to do anything that we were not capable of doing. God's purpose for telling us to do thus and so is always designed to secure, preserve, and maintain our optimum well-being.Do you follow me Deja~vu?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I know what you meant to say, but...I did not say that God was damned. God is blessed forever.Actually, I have many posts (too many to count) where I have not copied or pasted anything (this is one of them). And you wonder why I discern bitterness in you. You sound rancorous. Why? Jesus does love you and you can have joy unspeakable and full of glory if you just surrender your will to Christ.
Well if you think I meant to say something that wasn't blatantly spelled out for you in print, you're reading far too much into what I said. So, perhaps the best qualification is that you have no idea what you meant to say. Sorry I sound "rancorous", but it's a fairly common response to your smugness. This can't new to you. So you can continue to be smug and self-assured and I'll continue to be dismissive of your message and your santa god.
Sure, you have any number of posts where you defend your original posts, which are all copied and pasted. But, more often than not you end up defending points that aren't made in your original copy and past job.
I have a lot of joy, happiness and glory without Christ. What's sad is that you do not.
Originally posted by Devil King
Well if you think I meant to say something that wasn't blatantly spelled out for you in print, you're reading far too much into what I said. So, perhaps the best qualification is that you have no idea what you meant to say. Sorry I sound "rancorous", but it's a fairly common response to your smugness. This can't new to you. So you can continue to be smug and self-assured and I'll continue to be dismissive of your message and your santa god.Sure, you have any number of posts where you defend your original posts, which are all copied and pasted. But, more often than not you end up defending points that aren't made in your original copy and past job.
I have a lot of joy, happiness and glory without Christ. What's sad is that you do not.
You have an interesting way of showing your joy and happiness apart from Jesus Christ.
I apologize for coming of smug and self-assured.
Uh...that's all.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveI sure hope my creditors and parents don't burn me alive forever...
God intended for humanity to live a life in submission to His will. A person's free will is not at all undermined by this. Case in point: a good son or daughter who is submitted to his/her parents will is still able to exercise his/her free will, it is just done so within the scope of higher authority i.e. the parents. Moreover, a good police officer is submitted to a higher authority as well yet he/she maintains a degree of power and choice as to how daily responsibilities are carried out. A good soldier should know a lot about submitting to higher authority. Just because the soldier surrenders his/her will to a higher authority, that does not mean that he/she does not have a free will or that his/her free will has been relinquished. It is just that their free will is subject to certain limitations for the sake of others. So, surrendering one's free will to God i.e. the highest authority and the Source of all authority, does not nullify a person's power to choose, it just orients that power within/under the best and most beneficial parameters. If you stop and think about it no one exercises their free will in this life outside of certain intrinsic limitations. The only people who exercise their free will outside of the law are defined as law-breakers or anarchists. Prisons are replete with people who freely chose to exercise their will beyond established boundaries. Free will must be operated under a higher authority in order to maintain order and peace in any given situation because of the inherent limits that have been instituted for the good of all. There is no authority except from God. The authority that exists has been appointed by God (Romans 13:1). We experience the greatest fulfillment when we align our will to God's will because He is the Creator of all flesh, and He knows how we think, what need, what we desire, and what will bring us the greatest fulfillment. Again, it is no different than submitting your will to any other person. We submit our wills to other people all the time without realizing that we are surrendering our power to choose. But we do it because we know that it is necessary at times. We surrender our wills to those we transact business with, to those we encounter at a crosswalk in our vehicles, to animals so as not to harm them, to emergency vehicles in progress, to our significant others to maintain harmony in our relationships, to those who manage us on our jobs, to those whose businesses we patronize (we could just steal from them couldn't we?), to our creditors (we could just refrain from paying our bills right?), and even to our children who constantly demand something from us (especially when they are very young). Submission and surrender is already a part of our lives so why do we have such a problem submitting to the greatest authority that exists i.e. God? God has never commanded us to do anything that was not in our best interest to do. God has never instructed us to do anything that we were not capable of doing. God's purpose for telling us to do thus and so is always designed to secure, preserve, and maintain our optimum well-being.Do you follow me Deja~vu?
Originally posted by Deja~vu
Why would a god care about such things. It made for for god's sake. God would know what we're gonna do even before we were born...If god is so loving then god would change the rules. Easy as pie.
Well, it is not that simplistic. There are many things that the Scriptures do not reveal, but based on what is available to us in terms of what has been revealed to us in the Bible, it appears that God cares about sin because He is holy i.e. without sin. There is no way for me to explain this principle without using an analogy of some kind. Hey, Jesus used parables so I guess I can use mundane parallels that illustrate spiritual truths. Here it goes: sin is as offensive to God as violent crime is to a righteous judge. The only difference is on the spectrum of holiness as it were, God is absolute holiness personified, but a human judge is not.
God does not change. I know that might sound like a curt response, but it just is what it is. Just as God does not change, neither does His will. There are times where it appears that God's will changes but that is only in situations where sin is involved. Some people have a whimsical view of God, but God is not at all capricious. God does everything according to His will. But His will is based on His plan which is orderly, time-specific, and well-thought out. God cannot just arbitrarily change the rules because His rules are based on His character. So, to change the rules God would in essence have to change. But He does not change (back to square one). It is a catch 22. It would be like a human being changing back into a fetus. I know that is a terrible analogy. But humans don't revert to embryos and embryos don't transform back into sperm and egg. Again, another bad illustration. I just used these because they are examples of things that do not change, in that way--ever.
Question: why do you think God sent Jesus to earth?
Oh, another thing...God is not logical but He does make sense (spiritual sense).