Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Robtard
And again, it isn't an argument of Bob or Tom, as there is only one person (Abrahamic God).

Therefore. you are incorrect.

They all recognise the same God, they different in how they view God's actions to an extent. As you said, the Jew, Christian and Muslim God all comes from the same source, the teachings of Abraham. To state this then deny the same God is a contradiction.

They all tend to rely on the same background for much of their theologies but they have all created distinct variations of who God is... and in doing so, in Christianity's case atleast, created a very different being from the God recognized by Muslims.

Originally posted by Robtard
Tell me, do the Jews worship a different God? Because they don't accept Jesus either.

Some Jews have confessed Jesus Christ as their Lord (and Savior) and believe that He is the Messiah who was foretold by the prophets. But, there are Jews as well as Gentiles (i.e. nations or non-Jews) who do not accept Jesus Christ as the Christ; however, this is nothing new.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
They all tend to rely on the same background for much of their theologies but they have all created distinct variations of who God is... and in doing so, in Christianity's case atleast, created a very different being from the God recognized by Muslims.

If three people witness a car accident, and report distinctly different accounts to the police, they did not witness three separate car accidents.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If three people witness a car accident, and report distinctly different accounts to the police, they did not witness three separate car accidents.

No, but if one says it was a green car, the other a bright orange car with a dog on top and the other a giant burger...then they are three separate cars.

Robtard is right, all three religions worship the same god. His Lincoln analogy was perfect.

Do not dispute with Jews and Christians, except with those of them who have acted unjustly. Tell them: "We believe in that which was revealed to you before Mohammed, and our God and your God is One in the same, and to Him do we submit.
The Koran 29:45

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
[b]Do not dispute with Jews and Christians, except with those of them who have acted unjustly. Tell them: "We believe in that which was revealed to you before Mohammed, and our God and your God is One in the same, and to Him do we submit.
The Koran 29:45 [/B]

That would work the same if you replaced Christian with Hindu or Animist or even Atheist.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
That would work the same if you replaced Christian with Hindu or Animist or even Atheist.

No it wouldn't, because Islam doesn't give any credence to Hindu scriptures. Islam is believed to be the capstone of the Abrahamic tradition, which is what that statement says.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No it wouldn't, because Islam doesn't give any credence to Hindu scriptures. Islam is believed to be the capstone of the Abrahamic tradition, which is what that statement says.

Actually, what it is saying is, we submit to your God (who by the way is our God aswell...you see he is everyones God whether you recognise him or not).

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No, but if one says it was a green car, the other a bright orange car with a dog on top and the other a giant burger...then they are three separate cars.

One, two, or all three of them may be wrong in their accounts, but they all witnessed the same accident.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Actually, what it is saying is, we submit to your God (who by the way is our God aswell...you see he is everyones God whether you recognise him or not).

No, now you're just adding what you want to that verse. Muslims do not worship Ganesh or Vishnu; Muslims worship the god of Abraham, which Jews and Christians also do.

Bottom line, I posted a Koranic verse that obliterated your and JIA's argument, and you're just trying to pull meanings out of your ass in the face of proof to the contrary.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
One, two, or all three of them may be wrong in their accounts, but they all witnessed the same accident.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No, now you're just adding what you want to that verse. Muslims do not worship Ganesh or Vishnu; Muslims worship the god of Abraham, which Jews and Christians also do.

Bottom line, I posted a Koranic verse that obliterated your and JIA's argument, and you're just trying to pull meanings out of your ass in the face of proof to the contrary.

Umm actually no you failed terribly. That is what the verse says, it doesn't say We believe in your God (the Trinity) its saying we believe in the one who is your God (even though you don't recognise him as such, he is still your God).

Bottom line.

Jesus is not Allah but Jesus is the Christan God.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I don't recall saying they didn't- still means either all three or atleast two of the cars are fictitious and only one is real.

No, it means that despite witnessing the same accident, the three reported accounts with varying degrees of accuracy. Some may be more accurate than others, or they may all be completely wrong. This does not change that they witnessed the same thing.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, it means that despite witnessing the same accident, the three reported accounts with varying degrees of accuracy. Some may be more accurate than others, or they may all be completely wrong. This does not change that they witnessed the same thing.

Have they or have they not created three distinct representations of the car- thus three different cars.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Have they or have they not created three distinct representations of the car- thus three different cars.

They have not; they are viewing the same car in three different ways.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
They have not; they are viewing the same car in three different ways.

Oh fine then.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav

Umm actually no you failed terribly. That is what the verse says, it doesn't say We believe in your God (the Trinity) its saying we believe in the one who is your God (even though you don't recognise him as such, he is still your God).

Bottom line.

Jesus is not Allah but Jesus is the Christan God.

Ok, let's examine the verse in baby quotes.

Do not dispute with Jews and Christians, except with those of them who have acted unjustly. Tell them: "We believe in that which was revealed to you before Mohammed, and our God and your God is One in the same, and to Him do we submit.

Notice, how it specifically says Jews and Christians. Not Hindus, not Shintos, not Greeks, not Egyptians, or any other polytheists. Going off that, the term "Christian God" refers to the Christian concept of [Abraham's] God. As you know, Jews and Christians worship Abraham's god. Muslims also do, and Koran repeatedly asserts this. So that right there shows you all three worship the same God in distinct ways.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Robtard is right, all three religions worship the same god. His Lincoln analogy was perfect.

[b]Do not dispute with Jews and Christians, except with those of them who have acted unjustly. Tell them: "We believe in that which was revealed to you before Mohammed, and our God and your God is One in the same, and to Him do we submit.
The Koran 29:45 [/B]

I do not believe that YHWH and Allah are one and the same. YHWH has a Son, but Allah does not.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I do not believe that YHWH and Allah are one and the same. YHWH has a Son, but Allah does not.

First off, allah is nothing more than the Arabic word for "god", just like kami is the Japanese word for "god", just like "god" is the English word for "god".

Secondly, they're two different schools of thought on the same god. That verse shows it in no ambiguous terms. You're just being willfully ignorant, because you don't like that fact.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
First off, allah is nothing more than the Arabic word for "god", just like kami is the Japanese word for "god", just like "god" is the English word for "god".

Secondly, they're two different schools of thought on the same god. That verse shows it in no ambiguous terms. You're just being willfully ignorant, because you don't like that fact.

YHWH (the Name of the God of the Bible) does not mean God it means "the Self-existing One," but this has no bearing on the discussion. The God of the Bible has a Son (this is not a school of thought, it is a fact based on the Bible). Allah denies having a son based on the Qu'ran. For this reason, the God of the Bible and the god of the Qu'ran are not one and the same.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Are God (i.e. YHWH) and Allah one and the same?

No. There are many false gods but only one, true God: the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The living God who is the Father of Jesus Christ. This is the true God.

The Christian God and Allah cannot be one and the same because in the Qur'an it is recorded that Allah denies having a son. But the Bible states in a multitude of places that God does have a Son. Jesus even stated that God is His Father. Let's take a look at the Qur'an. The Qur'an is organized into "Surahs" instead of by chapter and verse like the Bible.

Read:

Surah 4:171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

Surah 6:101 The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort, when He created all things and is Aware of all things ?

Surah 18:4,5 And to warn those who say: Allah hath chosen a son, (A thing) whereof they have no knowledge, nor (had) their fathers, Dreadful is the word that cometh out of their mouths. They speak naught but a lie.

Those are very damaging discrepancies and contradictions. Based on the information contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, God (i.e. YHWH, the God of the Bible) is the true God, but Allah is "a" false god. There are many false gods and Allah is just one of the many gods who are false. The true God does have a Son and His Name is a Name that is above every name. That Name is Jesus!

More proof from the Qur'an that the God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. God has a Son (Jesus the Christ), but Allah denies having a son.

Surah 23:91 Allah hath not chosen any son, nor is there any god along with Him; else would each god have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others. Glorified be Allah above all that they allege.

This is not an issue of semantics, hair-splitting, or being technical. I have quoted Allah's own words where he himself states (in his Qu'ran in a number of places) that he does not have a son.

On the contrary, the Bible (the Word of the true God) states in the Old Testament and New Testament in many places throughout Scripture that God does indeed have a Son.

The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. Christ Jesus is never mentioned as the Son of Allah because Allah is not God. Jesus Christ is only called or refrerred to as a prophet in the Qu'ran. But in the Bible Jesus is called the Son of God. In addition, God Almighty calls Jesus His beloved Son. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same.

Allah states in no uncertain terms that he does not have a son. But the God of the Bible says that Jesus is His beloved Son. Is Allah confused? No, Allah is not confused. Allah is correct, he does not have a son. Allah denies having a son because the God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. YHWH (i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) and Allah are not one and the same. The God of the Bible is the true God and His Son's Name is Jesus (Who is the Christ).

Furthermore, Allah is the mood god, he has an idol that represents him (this is documented, historical fact). But the God of the Bible, YHWH (i.e. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), does not have (nor has He ever had) any kind of idol to represent Him, associated with Him, nor in connection with Him--whatsoever. (This too is documented, historical fact). All the other gods of the earth have had some type of idol (i.e. a literal, physical statue or other manufactured work of their likeness and image that has been carved, fashioned, formed, or created to stand for them). So why hasn't the God of the Bible ever had an idol to represent Him? The answer is simple: the God of the Bible has never been an idol, is not now an idol, and will never be an idol. Unfortunately, Allah and those who represent him can never say that. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same.