Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Watch the Discovery Channel.

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Originally posted by ThePittman
This is where your problem is (well at least with this); it is not a modification of the animal that is evolving as you would think like it grows a limb because it needs to grab a piece of fruit that day. Every animal in the same species is not the same; some are a bit different be it from aggression, intellect or physical makeup. Each will have it own little difference and way it does things.

Looking at Dolphins and Killer Whales, both of these animals have developed a hunting technique to get their pray that stay on the shore line which many times leaves them to be beached and die. With this continued practice the ones that are better suited for this get the fish/seal and live on, the ones that try and are not as good die so that trait is not passed on. Over the thousands of generations if the practice continues and environment plays a huge role in this they can start to develop stronger fins to un-beach themselves or even get farther up the shore.

You are looking for a one word answer or a name of some magical gene that causes fish to walk on land and this is were you are deluded about evolution, it is a process.

What causes one animal to be better suited than another (genes?). What causes the animal to develop stronger fins (genes?). The better suited animal lives on and passes on its traits? I still do not understand why one animal would be more "fit" to capture prey than an animal of the same species. They both have the same genomes right?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What causes one animal to be better suited than another (genes?). What causes the animal to develop stronger fins (genes?). The better suited animal lives on and passes on its traits? I still do not understand why one animal would be more "fit" to capture prey than an animal of the same species. They both have the same genomes right?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I know that not everyone believes in the Bible. It was a question designed to arrest your attention not elicit a response per se.

My view? The Bible is God's Book what does "my view" have to do with it?

Everyone in this forum knows you try to shove Jesus down people's throats. By posting said question you knew you would get responses and not just a "thank you, you have provoked my thought".

Now, by your view, I mean the idea that the Bible, a 3000+ year old book taken mostly from oral stories thousands of years old, is to be taken literally, and silly notions like that.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The fundamental premise of evolution stresses the occurrence of modifications in successive generations. Now, what I wanted to know from you is what causes the species to change from, say, a fish to an amphibian, or an ape to a human?

Humans are Apes. We are Hominids; a type of Age.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you have not defended your hypothesis.

Last time i checked, gravity, in conjunction with some quantum effects is currently the most likely precursor of the Big Bang. Just google it on your own (because im being lazy).

At any rate, the statement "the Universe is exempt from the chain of causality" is to pre-empt your expected (and lame) retort that "'God' is exempt from the chain of causality."

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Humans are Apes. We are Hominids; a type of Age.

You seem to run away, when confronted with facts. 🙄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What causes one animal to be better suited than another (genes?). What causes the animal to develop stronger fins (genes?). The better suited animal lives on and passes on its traits? I still do not understand why one animal would be more "fit" to capture prey than an animal of the same species. They both have the same genomes right?

Kinda they have the same genomes but in different combinations.Look at humans as proof of gene variation some of us are tall and can reach higher things, whilst others are small and can hide easier.Some of us are quick but fragile others slow but sturdy.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What causes one animal to be better suited than another (genes?). What causes the animal to develop stronger fins (genes?). The better suited animal lives on and passes on its traits? I still do not understand why one animal would be more "fit" to capture prey than an animal of the same species. They both have the same genomes right?

JIA, if you want to learn more about evolution, go to university, don't harass us expecting we'll give you an easy answer to all your questions.

lmao. i cudnt put it in the closed thread but ur REPLY to my post was the biggest bunch of stupidity coupled with lack of logical{or for that matter COEHERENT } single example of human thought that i have perhaps experiencesd in my entire adult life. u seem to to not only lack the ability to undrstand what im referring to and the syntactical and linguistic way in which it is being refereed to but also, dream up of exceedingly bizaare ways to counter logic and come to ur own predetermined conclusions without referring sensibly to the post or answering the challenges posted. well its baseless to get into a debate with u. one thing i still wanna know from u though{it was among ALL the other things that u didnt give a sastisfactory answer to in the post on jesus hase fans........} how exactly DID the holy ghost come onto mary, tell me the mechanics of it or give any POSSIBLE answer to that. {oh yeah, whatever u say about me PERSONALLY does not offend me so dont hold back. infact ur inability to form a logical response annoyes me a lot more than ur portrayal of my CHARACTER in ur reply}

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What causes one animal to be better suited than another (genes?). What causes the animal to develop stronger fins (genes?). The better suited animal lives on and passes on its traits? I still do not understand why one animal would be more "fit" to capture prey than an animal of the same species. They both have the same genomes right?

let me explain.

GENOME= the number, and combination as well as permutation{assuming u know highschool maths} of places on the chromosome where a gene responsible for one trait or more precisely for the formation a strip of mRNA{messenger rna} which is further responsible for the translation to the tRNA which has the corresponding amino acids on the other side of their anticodons and make up the specific protien which goes on to make the organs/enzymes etc which are responsible for the characteristics of a specie. now the genome puts LIMITS on what kinds of protiens can be made and hence characteristics bestowed on the animal but the actual GENE or chromosome{genotype} that takes that place can be incredeibly varied. performing the same function but with a ot of variance in characteristic, speed, type{but still staying in the limits of the genome. thats why the phenotype, which is dependant on the genotype is so varied in people with the same genome.
GENOME=specie{u wudnt get gills instead of lungs for human genome}
GENE present at the genome=individual{the lung might ben big/small/larger surface area/smalled surface are/more cappilaries/less capillaries/more protection from radiation/less protection form radiation etc etc etc. please pick up a basic highschool/a level biology book.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
let me explain.

GENOME= the number, and combination as well as permutation{assuming u know highschool maths} of places on the chromosome where a gene responsible for one trait or more precisely for the formation a strip of mRNA{messenger rna} which is further responsible for the translation to the tRNA which has the corresponding amino acids on the other side of their anticodons and make up the specific protien which goes on to make the organs/enzymes etc which are responsible for the characteristics of a specie. now the genome puts LIMITS on what kinds of protiens can be made and hence characteristics bestowed on the animal but the actual GENE or chromosome{genotype} that takes that place can be incredeibly varied. performing the same function but with a ot of variance in characteristic, speed, type{but still staying in the limits of the genome. thats why the phenotype, which is dependant on the genotype is so varied in people with the same genome.
GENOME=specie{u wudnt get gills instead of lungs for human genome}
GENE present at the genome=individual{the lung might ben big/small/larger surface area/smalled surface are/more cappilaries/less capillaries/more protection from radiation/less protection form radiation etc etc etc. please pick up a basic highschool/a level biology book.

First of all my questions are more rhetorical than inquisitive. Second, I already know the answers to the questions that I pose (as I told Naz), many times I ask simply to get you to think about what it is you believe. Third, I want you to consider (cogitatively) what you believe (relative to matter and life) to discover whether it could have come about randomly and by chance. Finally, genes are very complex sequences of nucleotides because of what they do. Can you think of any thing that is complex that has ever come about by chance, random process (repeatedly)?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
let me explain.

GENOME= the number, and combination as well as permutation{assuming u know highschool maths} of places on the chromosome where a gene responsible for one trait or more precisely for the formation a strip of mRNA{messenger rna} which is further responsible for the translation to the tRNA which has the corresponding amino acids on the other side of their anticodons and make up the specific protien which goes on to make the organs/enzymes etc which are responsible for the characteristics of a specie. now the genome puts LIMITS on what kinds of protiens can be made and hence characteristics bestowed on the animal but the actual GENE or chromosome{genotype} that takes that place can be incredeibly varied. performing the same function but with a ot of variance in characteristic, speed, type{but still staying in the limits of the genome. thats why the phenotype, which is dependant on the genotype is so varied in people with the same genome.
GENOME=specie{u wudnt get gills instead of lungs for human genome}
GENE present at the genome=individual{the lung might ben big/small/larger surface area/smalled surface are/more cappilaries/less capillaries/more protection from radiation/less protection form radiation etc etc etc. please pick up a basic highschool/a level biology book.

I already answered this question.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
First of all my questions are more rhetorical than inquisitive. Second, I already know the answers to the questions that I pose (as I told Naz), many times I ask simply to get you to think about what it is you believe. Third, I want you to consider (cogitatively) what you believe (relative to matter and life) to discover whether it could have come about randomly and by chance. Finally, genes are very complex sequences of nucleotides because of what they do. Can you think of any thing that is complex that has ever come about by chance, random process (repeatedly)?

Originally posted by ThePittman
Planets, stars and so on. If you are trying to make people think than simply state that, don't phrase it in a question that you don't want an answer for. Talk about being deceiving and manipulative, not a real god like trait. 😉

My question (i.e. challenge) flew right over your head. I asked you to give me an example of something that has ever come about by random, chance (i.e. in this life, in this thing that we call reality or the human experience).

You have no support for your belief that planets and stars came about by chance. I am challenging you to provide just one example of something on this planet that is complex that came about by random, chance (just one example).

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My question (i.e. challenge) flew right over your head. I asked you to give me an example of something that has ever come about by random, chance (i.e. in this life, in this thing that we call reality or the human experience). You have no support for your belief that planets and stars came about by chance. I am challenging you to provide just one example of something on this planet that is complex that came about by random, chance (just one example).

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My question (i.e. challenge) flew right over your head. I asked you to give me an example of something that has ever come about by random, chance (i.e. in this life, in this thing that we call reality or the human experience).

You have no support for your belief that planets and stars came about by chance. I am challenging you to provide just one example of something on this planet that is complex that came about by random, chance (just one example).

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As for examples I and many of us here has sited many, but you simple either ignore it or come up with some misdirecting question or some bible quote. Nothing that you have said "flew" over my head and your LAMO attempt to "challenge" me or others failed miserably. For your example of some on this planet that came about, life and the planet itself. 😛

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
First of all my questions are more rhetorical than inquisitive. Second, I already know the answers to the questions that I pose (as I told Naz), many times I ask simply to get you to think about what it is you believe. Third, I want you to consider (cogitatively) what you believe (relative to matter and life) to discover whether it could have come about randomly and by chance. Finally, genes are very complex sequences of nucleotides because of what they do. Can you think of any thing that is complex that has ever come about by chance, random process (repeatedly)?

anything complex that ever came about by chance.............hmmm let me see, the evolution of one in about ever 100million bacteria to give them genetic resistance to penicillin{micobacterium tuberculosis in this case where the entire genome IS known and maped and the RANDOM evolution seen directly with x ray crytallography and transmission electron micrograph so it cant be attributed to any CAUSE other than random mutations}

the emission of radiation due to SPONTANEOUS decay of the nucleus of some heavy elements at an average CONSTANT rate{with very little standard deviance} despite the process being completely random in nature due to the weak nuclear force.

the creation of a homogenous and distinctly observable nearly geometrically PERFECT wave due to the random probablitiy of a photon to exist in a number of different places.

id give u more impressive examples if u didnt attribute everything random associated with complexity to god just because humanity does not know EVERY SINGLE PHYSICAL PHENOMENON that occurs in it. even if the KNOWN phenomenon[VERY LARGE IN PERCENTAGE] still put many obserbvable limits on the system and make it very predictable with only a few very small unaccountable seemingly random variances. besides complex doesnt really mean more functional. it just means complicated, if u wanna look at functional things id give u the creation of solar systems, stars, gama ray burts, galaxies, black holes, singularities, ets which are composed of highly random phenomenon in their COMPONENTS, but exist as extremely predictable wholes{same goes for light, time, quantum effect, quantum foam} but 1) ud discount their USEFULNESS as its a question of prespective alone in the stricter sense 2) ud mention perhaps one , probably false or incompletely quoted scientific fact from which ud either quote and /or extrapulate to make it look like science cant explain it according to which/otherwise ud attribute the COMPLEXITY of the whole system to god/jesus or its beuty. so thers really no point. as u said in ur own post, ur questions are rhetorical and are not presented to allow the person to answer or accept an answer for that matter. they are simply there to dismiss and shut up whoever is reading{its due to their illogical origin and ur stubbornness to accept an answer i assure u, not because the audience is dumbfounded by the oh so unique statements that u make and cant give an answer to them through their inferior evil, heathen logic as U probably believe} and as such are not meant to be read as relevant questions or statements for that matter as uve openly admitted.

id also appreciate it if u didnt break my post down into its constituent phrases and try to dismis each part based on the inability of the other parts of the sentece and its context to complement it, also it seems that dismissing a single unaided phrase is enough for u to have COUNTERED all following it which it idiotic at best{refer to idiotic debating tactics thread}. look at both the content and CONTEXT of my words as a whole if u wish to have any non fallacious and non redundant/illogical{on ur part} debates. even having said all that, i dont expect much from u.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
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Here is my point: computers, tvs, airplanes, cars, guns, dvd players, watches, aircraft carriers, helicopters, mircrochips, computer programs, etc. are all complex. Nevertheless, not one of the examples that I have provided (or that you have submitted) have come about by random, chance occurrence. There was a designer in every one of the instances that I cited. Yet, you believe that matter, cells, gases, chemicals, natural laws, (highly complex) organisms, etc., did not have a designer. This thinking is the epitome of foolishness. How can the former examples have an intelligent designer, but the latter examples be a product of random, chance occurrence?

Seriously, does this make any logical, rational sense to you AngryManatee?