Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Ordo
Like your God?

I'm no Neo, I'm just an Ordo. You change subjects at least once a page. And being the chosen one of an internet forum is not a life goal of mine.

So what are you saying?

This is what I am saying:

I just want you to think (think). Think and when you are done thinking, think some more. Things of this sophistication and complexity, design, order, mathematically, scientifically, and coincidentally don't just happen.

Consciousness

Morality

Complex life

Complex language and communication

Order

Design

Laws

Intelligence

Rationality

Logic

Information

Organization

Mathematics

Science

The Brain

Instinct

Thought

Reason

Will

Intent

Not one of these is capable of arising by undirected, unplanned, undesigned, unintelligent, chance--from a violent explosion that happened for no reason or purpose.

Think.

What do explosions normally produce?

No matter how many explosions are conducted the result will be the same.

Think.

Has there ever been an exception?

Think.

Why do organisms fight to survive? Why is there this need or tendency?

Think.

Why is life a reality instead of unreality? In other words, there is no reason to exist. So then why do we exist?

Think.

All this energy expended for life to exist and for what reason? Why? Why do we exist? What is in it for the universe? What does the universe get out of it?

Think.

All of this controversy, energy, discussion, time, effort, money, research, study, and education, trying to figure out how and why we exist--and for what? Why the need to be here as opposed to oblivion?

Does the universe have a will? Did it just have to exist? Did it just want to exist? Again, why? What is the reason or purpose? Why did an explosion occur in the first place?

Think.

^ You are double posting on purpose.

http://godlorica.blogspot.com/2006/02/mathematics-and-god.html

"God's Formula."

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"God’s formula."

http://godlorica.blogspot.com/2006/02/mathematics-and-god.html

So what? 🙄

"I just want you to think (think). Think and when you are done thinking, think some more. Things of this sophistication and complexity, design, order, mathematically, scientifically, and coincidentally don't just happen."

🙄

"Not one of these is capable of arising by undirected, unplanned, undesigned, unintelligent, chance--from a violent explosion that happened for no reason or purpose."

Not an explosion. Translation: You're arguing over something you know jack-shit about.

"Think."

NO U

"What do explosions normally produce?"

Lots of unstable energy (and awsome destruction). But again, you're another victim of the Big Bang's misleading name.

"No matter how many explosions are conducted the result will be the same."

Really? Wow.

"Think."

You too.

"Has there ever been an exception?"

No, but read above statements.

"Think."

OGC

"Why do organisms fight to survive? Why is there this need or tendency?"

Because it's only natural to have a desire to survive.

"Think."

OGC

"Why is life a reality instead of unreality? In other words, there is no reason to exist. So then why do we exist?"

That depends, are you an idealist or a realist? I only list those two because they are the main trains of thought on the whole concept of existence, and why we do.

"Think."

OGC

"All this energy expended for life to exist and for what reason? Why? Why do we exist? What is in it for the universe? What does the universe get out of it?"

When a rock falls from a cliff and smashes a baby, was there a reason for it?

"Think"

OGC

"All of this controversy, energy, discussion, time, effort, money, research, study, and education, trying to figure out how and why we exist--and for what? Why the need to be here as opposed to oblivion?"

Because that's what science does? Tries to empirically explain things?

"Does the universe have a will? Did it just have to exist? Did it just want to exist? Again, why? What is the reason or purpose? Why did an explosion occur in the first place?"

What explosion?

"Think."

If you're going to keep asking us to "think," then I'm going to ask you to do something as well, besides "think":

LEARN. If you're going to argue about something, then at least have a basic understanding of it. You're presenting of these philisophical arguments is proof enough of this, although I do not mean to insult philosophy with that statement because if I recall a certain philosopher once said "The unexamined life is not worth living." You know nothing about what you argue, and you tell us to contemplate our own arguments, when you fail to do so about your own. Lead by example.

When individuals who actually have degrees in some of your listed subjects come on here and correct you, you fail to even consider it because it doesn't agree with the bible. Ignore the fact that it agrees with what we've observed in the natural world around us, if it doesn't agree with your interpretation of the bible, then it must not be true.

The picture of Homer is perfect right there. 😆

👆 to AngryManatee

Originally posted by AngryManatee
"I just want you to think (think). Think and when you are done thinking, think some more. Things of this sophistication and complexity, design, order, mathematically, scientifically, and coincidentally don't just happen."

🙄

"Not one of these is capable of arising by undirected, unplanned, undesigned, unintelligent, chance--from a violent explosion that happened for no reason or purpose."

Not an explosion. Translation: You're arguing over something you know jack-shit about.

"Think."

NO U

"What do explosions normally produce?"

Lots of unstable energy (and awsome destruction). But again, you're another victim of the Big Bang's misleading name.

"No matter how many explosions are conducted the result will be the same."

Really? Wow.

"Think."

You too.

"Has there ever been an exception?"

No, but read above statements.

"Think."

OGC

"Why do organisms fight to survive? Why is there this need or tendency?"

Because it's only natural to have a desire to survive.

"Think."

OGC

"Why is life a reality instead of unreality? In other words, there is no reason to exist. So then why do we exist?"

That depends, are you an idealist or a realist? I only list those two because they are the main trains of thought on the whole concept of existence, and why we do.

"Think."

OGC

"All this energy expended for life to exist and for what reason? Why? Why do we exist? What is in it for the universe? What does the universe get out of it?"

When a rock falls from a cliff and smashes a baby, was there a reason for it?

"Think"

OGC

"All of this controversy, energy, discussion, time, effort, money, research, study, and education, trying to figure out how and why we exist--and for what? Why the need to be here as opposed to oblivion?"

Because that's what science does? Tries to empirically explain things?

"Does the universe have a will? Did it just have to exist? Did it just want to exist? Again, why? What is the reason or purpose? Why did an explosion occur in the first place?"

What explosion?

"Think."

If you're going to keep asking us to "think," then I'm going to ask you to do something as well, besides "think":

LEARN. If you're going to argue about something, then at least have a basic understanding of it. You're presenting of these philisophical arguments is proof enough of this, although I do not mean to insult philosophy with that statement because if I recall a certain philosopher once said "The unexamined life is not worth living." You know nothing about what you argue, and you tell us to contemplate our own arguments, when you fail to do so about your own. Lead by example.

When individuals who actually have degrees in some of your listed subjects come on here and correct you, you fail to even consider it because it doesn't agree with the bible. Ignore the fact that it agrees with what we've observed in the natural world around us, if it doesn't agree with your interpretation of the bible, then it must not be true.

You have failed to think and have resorted to sarcasm.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have failed to think and have resorted to sarcasm.

😆 If all you saw was sarcasm in that post, then you really are in denial.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
😆 If all you saw was sarcasm in that post, then you really are in denial.

Ok, I will work with you. Can you explain how the following arose from purposeless, chance, explosion of dense, inanimate, matter:

Consciousness

Morality

Complex life

Complex language and communication

Order

Design

Laws

Intelligence

Rationality

Logic

Information

Organization

Mathematics

Science

The Brain

Instinct

Thought

Reason

Will

Intent

JIA, I know you won't respond to me because you are ignoring my posts but I will ask it anyway. What do you call and define a new species?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Ok, I will work with you. Can you explain how the following arose from purposeless, chance, explosion of dense, inanimate, matter:

A lot of those topics you listed are either highly over-generalized or they are more associated with cultural evolution rather than biological evolution. But keep throwing out random words if you want.

Again, the big bang wasn't an explosion. If you're going to question something, at least have a basic understanding of it.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
JIA, I know you won't respond to me because you are ignoring my posts but I will ask it anyway. What do you call and define a new species?

anywo all his questions are abstract concepts and angry manatee is right they are cultural evolution and not biological evolutions..

a crocaduck 🙂 😆 😱
thank kirk cameron

Originally posted by Da Pittman
JIA, I know you won't respond to me because you are ignoring my posts but I will ask it anyway. What do you call and define a new species?

I'm not on ignore yet, so now he might see your post...

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'm not on ignore yet, so now he might see your post...

He doesn't put anyone on his ignore list; he just ignores them.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
A lot of those topics you listed are either highly over-generalized or they are more associated with cultural evolution rather than biological evolution. But keep throwing out random words if you want.

Again, the big bang wasn't an explosion. If you're going to question something, at least have a basic understanding of it.

Culture--thanks you just gave me another word to add to the list. How did

Consciousness

Morality

Complex life

Complex language and communication

Order

Design

Laws

Intelligence

Rationality

Logic

Information

Organization

Mathematics

Science

The Brain

Instinct

Thought

Reason

Will

Intent

Culture

arise from a chance, rapid, chaotic (you don't want me to use the word explosion) expansion (which was like an explosion) (there did I clean it up?)?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Culture--thanks you just gave me another word to add to the list. How did

Consciousness

Morality

Complex life

Complex language and communication

Order

Design

Laws

Intelligence

Rationality

Logic

Information

Organization

Mathematics

Science

The Brain

Instinct

Thought

Reason

Will

Intent

Culture

arise from a chance, rapid, chaotic (you don't want me to use the word explosion) expansion (which was like an explosion) (there did I clean it up?)?

Why does it matter to you? I already know your response, so why should I put any thought into my response?

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Why does it matter to you? I already know your response, so why should I put any thought into my response?

It matters because evolution is false and yet many people are being duped by it. And, because I want you to think.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It matters because evolution is false and yet many people are being duped by it. And, because I want you to think.

so by believing in evolution we are not thinking? not only that but the worst part is that there is a world wide scientific conspiracy against god?
i would personally be scared to do such a thing if i knew of his existence.

i am glad you havent resorted to calling all of us athiest today. 😄
because the catholic church believes in evolution, i know its not the same thing to fundamentalist christians..

even the creationist museum states and believes in evolution not just regular evolution but super evolution even though it fights against regular evolution... 😕

talking about the flood and animals by the way...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It matters because evolution is false and yet many people are being duped by it. And, because I want you to think.

Oh, don't worry about me thinking. I get paid to think. I still find it laughable that you're asking us to think when you won't even question your own beliefs.

To JesusIsAlive:

Sorry for sounding so presumptious, but the only responses in this thread that strike me as ill-informed and intentionally ignorant are your own. You seem to approach this subject like a five year old with his fingers in his ears. You assume that anything you've presented in this thread is even remotely approaching some measure of fact, when it is actually intentional head-in-the-sand obstinence. See, there's evidence that can be presented by those who claim observance of evolution, even if you want to suddenly say that their claims are fasle evidence simply because it doesn't concure with your particular perspective on the situation. Ignoring facts and reality is no substitution for presenting a counter argument. You're asking people to prove a falsehood, which is impossible. On the other hand, you're claiming that a falsity is fact, which is likely not possible since the justification for it has been a long-held dillusion for more than 2000 years. Not to mention that it's a reoccuring theme in dozens of mythologies that have existed for thousands of years before it's current incarnation which assume and subscribe itself to your personal philosophy. Claiming over and over again that your perspective and the book from which you have gained it are correct doesn't actually make it so. You seem to display an intentional misunderstanding of the process by ignoring that reality. If you want to argue the validity of the bible, then you have to do so on the basis of the structure of the argument, not on the validity of your own rules. In fact, operating on your own rules without concern for the rules that govern everyone else's behavior is a sign of a sociopath.