Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hey! stepping in with an irrelevant statement that sounds like it should make sense is my job. 😠 😂
In what way was that irrelevant?
It makes sense to discriminate against someone because of their religion- it is something they choose to believe and choose to practice. You vote for someone based on the political ideology they choose- why not their religion?
Discriminating against race however doesn't make sense, it is not a choice.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosLast time I checked he was Christan.
Then how did a black Muslim get elected by those horribly discriminatory Christians?
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavReligion is not always a choice either.
In what way was that irrelevant?It makes sense to discriminate against someone because of their religion- it is something they choose to believe and choose to practice. You vote for someone based on the political ideology they choose- why not their religion?
Discriminating against race however doesn't make sense, it is not a choice.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosNo not really, when you are growing up did your parents give you a choice as to what you want to believe? Now some do but most do not, now yes you can change your religion when you grow up but again most do not. Many people don't even look for a different religion because that would mean that what you have grown to believe is wrong and that which you were taught is a lie or misguided. If you are judging someone by their religion then you should also judge on their religious past as well since they can't seem to "find the truth".
Y-you mean except all the time, right?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
No not really, when you are growing up did your parents give you a choice as to what you want to believe?
Me? Personally? As a matter of fact they did.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Now some do but most do not, now yes you can change your religion when you grow up but again most do not.
Most choose not to.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Many people don't even look for a different religion because that would mean that what you have grown to believe is wrong and that which you were taught is a lie or misguided.
Not making a choice isn't the same thing as not having a choice.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
If you are judging someone by their religion then you should also judge on their religious past as well since they can't seem to "find the truth".
I don't follow.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
No not really, when you are growing up did your parents give you a choice as to what you want to believe? Now some do but most do not, now yes you can change your religion when you grow up but again most do not. Many people don't even look for a different religion because that would mean that what you have grown to believe is wrong and that which you were taught is a lie or misguided. If you are judging someone by their religion then you should also judge on their religious past as well since they can't seem to "find the truth".
Statistics indicate that a vast majority of people change their childhood religion in their adult life, or leave it before going back later. So they are making a choice.
Statistics
"42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot." -- Steven Wright
"Five out of four people have trouble with fractions." -- Steven Wright
"Statistics means never having to say you're certain."
"How many pizzas are consumed each year in the United States? How many words have you spoken in your life? How many different peoples names appear in the New York Times each year? How many watermelons would fit inside the U.S. Capitol building? What is the volume of all the human blood in the world? -- John A. Paulos
“A statistician can have his head in an oven and his feet in ice, and he will say that on the average he feels fine.”
"Statistics are no substitute for judgment." -- Henry Clay
"Statistics: the mathematical theory of ignorance." -- Morris Kline
"You can not feed the hungry on statistics." -- Heinrich Heine
"In earlier times, they had no statistics, and so they had to fall back on lies". -- Stephen Leacock
"97.3% of all statistics are made up."
"Are statisticians normal or are they transformable?"
"Smoking is a leading cause of statistics."
"43% of all statistics are worthless."
"3 out of 4 Americans make up 75% of the population."
"Death is 99 per cent fatal to laboratory rats."
"A statistician is a person who draws a mathematically precise line from an unwarranted assumption to a foregone conclusion."
"80% of all statistics quoted to prove a point are made up on the spot."
"Fett's Law: Never replicate a successful experiment."
http://www.onlinemathlearning.com/statistics-math-quotes.html
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Statistics"42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot." -- Steven Wright
"Five out of four people have trouble with fractions." -- Steven Wright
"Statistics means never having to say you're certain."
"How many pizzas are consumed each year in the United States? How many words have you spoken in your life? How many different peoples names appear in the New York Times each year? How many watermelons would fit inside the U.S. Capitol building? What is the volume of all the human blood in the world? -- John A. Paulos
“A statistician can have his head in an oven and his feet in ice, and he will say that on the average he feels fine.”
"Statistics are no substitute for judgment." -- Henry Clay
"Statistics: the mathematical theory of ignorance." -- Morris Kline
"You can not feed the hungry on statistics." -- Heinrich Heine
"In earlier times, they had no statistics, and so they had to fall back on lies". -- Stephen Leacock
"97.3% of all statistics are made up."
"Are statisticians normal or are they transformable?"
"Smoking is a leading cause of statistics."
"43% of all statistics are worthless."
"3 out of 4 Americans make up 75% of the population."
"Death is 99 per cent fatal to laboratory rats."
"A statistician is a person who draws a mathematically precise line from an unwarranted assumption to a foregone conclusion."
"80% of all statistics quoted to prove a point are made up on the spot."
"Fett's Law: Never replicate a successful experiment."
http://www.onlinemathlearning.com/statistics-math-quotes.html
83.4% of quote lists are invented to discredit statisticians.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What black Muslim are you talking about?
The dentist who's office is across the street from my auto-shop is a Muslim. So him and I were talking a few days ago, and he honestly believes that Obama is a Muslim but is practicing Taqiya, which is the Muslim art of disguising your faith in order to blend in among those who wish you harm because of it.
He points to his Indonesian stepfather, the document from his elementary school in Indonesia that said he's Muslim, and Muslim associates of his from his fresh-out-of-law school years in Chicago.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The dentist who's office is across the street from my auto-shop is a Muslim. So him and I were talking a few days ago, and he honestly believes that Obama is a Muslim but is practicing Taqiya, which is the Muslim art of disguising your faith in order to blend in among those who wish you harm because of it.He points to his Indonesian stepfather, the document from his elementary school in Indonesia that said he's Muslim, and Muslim associates of his from his fresh-out-of-law school years in Chicago.
He probably is...nah actually I don't see it...
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosYes putting a gun to some ones head and telling them to choose between their wife and kid is still a choice by all means technical but I really don't want to go down that road of debating do you have a choice with your religion. As I was saying that you grow up believing that the faith that you were taught as a child is the word from some all powerful and knowing thing and then later on in your life you think that it is not but some other religious book must be the words from an all powerful and all knowing being? At least for me it sounds like you can't make up your mind as to what is the word, you seem to change your views and values based on your current situation. At least this is the way that I see it.
Me? Personally? As a matter of fact they did.Most choose not to.
Not making a choice isn't the same thing as not having a choice.
I don't follow.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavSo you are saying that most Christan's turn to another religion or leave and come back? If so how is that it is the most popular religion in the word (by far) if most/a lot of it members are leaving?
Statistics indicate that a vast majority of people change their childhood religion in their adult life, or leave it before going back later. So they are making a choice.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Yes putting a gun to some ones head and telling them to choose between their wife and kid is still a choice by all means technical but I really don't want to go down that road of debating do you have a choice with your religion. As I was saying that you grow up believing that the faith that you were taught as a child is the word from some all powerful and knowing thing and then later on in your life you think that it is not but some other religious book must be the words from an all powerful and all knowing being? At least for me it sounds like you can't make up your mind as to what is the word, you seem to change your views and values based on your current situation. At least this is the way that I see it.So you are saying that most Christan's turn to another religion or leave and come back? If so how is that it is the most popular religion in the word (by far) if most/a lot of it members are leaving?
Many Catholics become evangelicals, many Anglicans become Catholics, many evangelicals become Anglicans etc etc etc
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavI wouldn't call switching to a different form of Christianity switching faiths, they are still part of the Christan faith. Switching from Christan to Muslim or Buddha is what I would call switching faith.
Many Catholics become evangelicals, many Anglicans become Catholics, many evangelicals become Anglicans etc etc etc
If you want some numbers
USA RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS
Christian 78.4%
-- Protestant 51.3% (Evangelical 26.3, Mainline 18.1 and Historically black churches 6.9)
-- Catholic 23.9%
-- Mormon 1.7%
-- Jehovah's Witness 0.7%
-- Orthodox 0.6%
-- Other Christian 0.3%
Other Religions 4.7%
-- Jewish 1.7%
-- Buddhist 0.7%
-- Muslim* 0.6%
-- Hindu 0.4%
-- Other world religions < 0.3%
-- Other faiths ** 1.2%
Unaffiliated 16.1%
-- Atheist 1.6%
-- Agnostic 2.4%
-- Nothing in particular 12.1%
-- Unaffiliated (secular) 6.3%
-- Unaffiliated (say religion is important) 5.8%
-- Don't know/Refused 0.8%
Source: 2008 Pew Research Center
*From 2007 Pew survey "Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream"
** Unitarians & other libaral faiths 0.7%; New Age, 0.4%; Native American religions less than 0.3%
Due to rounding, figures may not add to 100.
"Faith is fluid: 44% say they're no longer tied to the religious or secular upbringing of their childhood. They've changed religions or denominations, adopted a faith for the first time or abandoned any affiliation altogether."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-02-25-survey_N.htm
I wouldn't call 44% most