Originally posted by Crimson PhoenixJesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:35-41) Give some thought to that.
By your standards, hell is gonna be a pretty crowded place. If only people who accept Christ can go to heavan, what about all the poeple who lived gefore Jesus ws born? are they in hell? What about the billions upon billions of people who didnt have the pleasure of being born into christianity?
Originally posted by Nellinatorhum
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:35-41) Give some thought to that.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:35-41) Give some thought to that.
erm.......thats great,
Still, u put effort into writing that, so good on ya luv 💃
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Unfortunately, there are many people who are in Hell right now who were renowned and famous when they were alive.Don't end up like Darwin ThePittman.
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Cute. 😊 Sorry, but very cute.
And to the question of the thread:
I couldn't care less what is written in the bible and I have to admit that I have no idea what is actually written in it, but I have my own moral standards and I don't intentionally lie.
If I do to protect someone else's feelings out of pure self-righteousness I have a very bad conscience and I don't like being lied to no matter what the contents.
So I always try to tell the truth, because it cannot be something for which I should be ashamed of seeing it is me who represents it or is responsible for it.
If you are not sure whether or not to do something I'd advise Kant's ethics rather than the bible. You are on the save side then.
I don't need a God to tell me what I should feel is right and what is wrong. Yayies for me. dancing
Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
By your standards, hell is gonna be a pretty crowded place. If only people who accept Christ can go to heavan, what about all the poeple who lived gefore Jesus ws born? are they in hell? What about the billions upon billions of people who didnt have the pleasure of being born into christianity?
I wasn't born into Christianity (whatever that means) and I got saved. Besides, everyone will have an opportunity to hear the gospel and be saved because God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I wasn't [B]born into Christianity (whatever that means) and I got saved. Besides, everyone will have an opportunity to hear the gospel and be saved because God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. [/B]
Well usually (but not always), if someone is born into a family of a certan reigion, that child will be brought up in that religion, thats what i meant.
And that argument is flawwed as i'm sure there are many people, i.e, in the deepest jungles of the amazon, or anyother isolted places, that have never, and will never hear of christianity
I've often heard that I'm not a 'true' Christian, as I just see the Bible as a book with guidelines and great stories, nothing more and nothing less. I don't get offended if people go on talking about the Bible and what they claim to be the truth, I just don't see it as they do. Preaching does offend me however. Not because I necessarily disagree with them, but because I don't believe in preaching.
Regards, Yvonne
Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Well usually (but not always), if someone is born into a family of a certan reigion, that child will be brought up in that religion, thats what i meant.And that argument is flawwed as i'm sure there are many people, i.e, in the deepest jungles of the amazon, or anyother isolted places, that have never, and will never hear of christianity
How God administers equity, justice, and judgment (in terms of every one having an equal opportunity to hear the gospel and be saved from their sins through Jesus Christ) is none of my business as such. But what I can say is that God is just and righteous (that's all).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How God administers equity, justice, and judgment (in terms of every one having an equal opportunity to hear the gospel and be saved from their sins through Jesus Christ).
Really?
How about people before Jesus? How about people who never met a missonary? How about people who are incapable of understanding what's being said when people describe religion?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Really?How about people before Jesus? How about people who never met a missonary? How about people who are incapable of understanding what's being said when people describe religion?
I just answered this question in my post just directly above yours. That was my whole reason for writing that post to explain that every base, situation, and circumstance has already been covered by God by virture of the fact that He is just and righteous. What I wrote is that I don't personally know (because I am not God) how God has dealt with all of these situations, but that I believe (confidently) that God has a plan in place for each person.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I just answered this question in my post just directly above yours. That was my whole reason for writing that post to explain that every base, situation, and circumstance has already been covered by God by virture of the fact that [B]He is just and righteous. What I wrote is that I don't personally know (because I am not God) how God has dealt with all of these situations, but that I believe (confidently) that God has a plan in place for each person. [/B]
What if he didn't. What if he just tells you he did? What if he is a liar? How would you ever find out?
Originally posted by Bardock42
What if he didn't. What if he just tells you he did? What if he is a liar? How would you ever find out?
What if?
What if it rains? What if it snows? What if it's hot? What if it's cold? What if there is a tornado? What if there is thunder and lightning? What if there is a tsunami? What if there is a hurricane? What if there is a blizzard? What if there is an earthquake? What if you die tonight Bardock42? What if....
My point is that what if's are just that: what if's.
But to answer your question, what if He did. What if he tells me He did? What if He is not a liar? (You see Bardock 42 the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie, that He cannot lie, that He is not a man that He should lie, and that He cannot lie.) How would you ever find out? (How would you ever find out that He didn't?)
Can't you see the foolishness of these line of questions? I base everything about God's character on what the Bible reveals about Him so these questions have no validity.
Are you willing to accept everything in the bible so unconditionally? Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against christians, and there are some wonderful things the bible preaches. I think loving one onather is the most imprtant message for everyone, but that message has been drowned in so much intolerance. theres more issues with homosexuality, or women becoming preists, ansd i think.....is that really important? I really doubt Jesus' message was love one another, except the gays, those who dont belive in me, etc
Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Are you willing to accept everything in the bible so unconditionally? Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against christians, and there are some wonderful things the bible preaches. I think loving one onather is the most imprtant message for everyone, but that message has been drowned in so much intolerance. theres more issues with homosexuality, or women becoming preists, ansd i think.....is that really important? I really doubt Jesus' message was love one another, except the gays, those who dont belive in me, etc
I accept what the Bible reveals about God.
Intolerance? What intolerance? What you see as intolerance I see as God's order. That is why there is so much lawlessness because there is no order in society. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes (just like the Bible states) and then people wonder why the world is so chaotic. God has a reason for every instruction that He gives. He has seen the ramification for every action (all of the possibilities) so He knows what will produce the highest benefit and good for us. God's laws and commands stem from His infinite wisdom and they are motivated by His love for the world. Every rule is designed to produce, secure, and protect our well-being.
Why do you confuse loving homosexuals with loving their lifestyle and practice? Jesus does command Christians to love homosexuals but not their sin. I love homosexuals but I hate their sin because it is an abomination to God and it is sending them to Hell.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What if?What if it rains? What if it snows? What if it's hot? What if it's cold? What if there is a tornado? What if there is thunder and lightning? What if there is a tsunami? What if there is a hurricane? What if there is a blizzard? What if there is an earthquake? What if you die tonight Bardock42? What if....
[b]My point is that what if's are just that: what if's.
But to answer your question, what if He did. What if he tells me He did? What if He is not a liar? (You see Bardock 42 the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie, that He cannot lie, that He is not a man that He should lie, and that He cannot lie.) How would you ever find out? (How would you ever find out that He didn't?)
Can't you see the foolishness of these line of questions? I base everything about God's character on what the Bible reveals about Him so these questions have no validity. [/B]
well assuming he told you that you will not end up in hell if you do that and that, and you do it and you end up in hell...well...that would be proof.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I base everything about God's character on what the Bible reveals about Him so these questions have no validity.
You also claim god wrote the bible. So basicly you just implicity trust the word of a person you've never met, who's promises have yet to be fufilied, who has ordered the slaughter of thosands and seems to generally enjoy causing chaos.