Originally posted by yvonekarate
I'm a Christian, but you know what; I'm seriously provoked by you and what you claim to be right and wrong. Who are you to judge? As I see it, only God will - one of these days. It's not up to you or me to condemn others. And if you truly loved God you wouldn't contradict his creations. Because as I see it, all of us are made by God, or some greater force (which I choose to call God). If homosexuals weren't intended by God, why on earth would he create them? I don't really care whether anyone choose their sexuality or if they're born that way. It doesn't make them bad or evil. I don't see it as a sin, I never will. I see God as something good, who's forgiving and loves us all.Regards, Yvonne
Why are you seriously provoked by me?
I am not claiming anything to be right or wrong God does through His Word. He calls homosexuality an abomination--not me.
Who am I to judge? You and I both judge things everyday. I judge situations so that I can make intelligent, informed decisions. However, in this case I am judging by the Word of God--not my own personal convictions per se. Besides, true believers are supposed to judge things.
1 Corinthians 2:15
But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
One day believers will judge angels so I don't believe that judging and discerning right and wrong as revealed in the Bible is at all unusual.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
Who have I condemned? Yvonekarate, I did not write the Bible--I simply agree with it and its standard of righteousness. God by His Word is the one doing the condemning.
Can you see the difference between me saying that homosexuality is an abomination and God saying it in His Word?
He is the one Who said it so why are you finding fault with me? If you were a born-again believer in Jesus Christ you should know what God's Word states with regard to homosexuality (especially in this age that we live in).
Contradict His creations? (I have no idea what this means.) You mean when I call homosexuality an abomination? But I am simply saying what the Bible states. How am I wrong for doing this? Again, I do have compassion on homosexuals and I want to see them happy and fulfilled, but they are going to have to find fulfillment God's way. But the homosexual lifestyle is not God's way or order. I don't look for any of a woman’s God-given, intrinsic qualities in a man, and I make no apologies. I am reminded of the beauty and essence of a woman when I look at an Amaryllis flower, or rose, tulip, and Asiatic Lily. None of those dainty, beautiful flowers evoke thoughts of a man to me. I think of a woman because women and men are intrinsically different by design. No man should carry himself like a woman, talk like a woman, or dress like a woman—that is a perversion of God’s order. There is nothing natural about two men relating to one another as a man relates to a woman it is an abomination and perversion. Men should be men, woman should be women, for this is God's order. God made men and women different because each one complements the other. Men have inherent qualities that women do not have and will never possess. But women (thank God for women you all are so special) the way that you all think, your tenderness, your delicateness, your femininity, your daintiness, your wisdom and intelligence, and your beauty are without peer...unmatched. Thank God for you all.
How in the world can you even think of God as being "greater force?" I don't know any true believers that refer to God--their Heavenly Father--as being a force of any kind. God is a Person--He is divine, but a Person nonetheless. I am able to judge based on your own words that you are not born again. I can just tell. You lack certain earmarks, one of which is a love for the Word of God (even if you do not understand it all). No true believer would have any problem understanding that homosexuality is contrary to God's will. My heart goes out to homosexuals but I do not approve of their lifestyle because God does not approve of their lifestyle. God loves them as do I and He wants to deliver them from their bondage.
Furthermore, yvonekarate why do you believe that God created homosexuals? God created a man and a woman--not homosexuals. If God wanted homosexuals then he would have made two men and two women so that they could become involved in same-sex relationships—but He didn’t. God made one man and one woman (for the man). It is not God for man to be alone so God made a woman to complement him not another man. This is God’s order.
Yvonekarate, God by His Word instructs His children to judge all things. We must know how to judge right from wrong by God's Word. We cannot and should not rely on society with its ungodly standards to determine right from wrong. I am glad that God gave His Word for us to live by that way when people accuse us of judging them we can simply state the fact that true believers should judge right from wrong and teach others to do so. If more people practiced judging situations this world wouldn't be in such crisis and confusion due to every one doing what is right in their own eyes. Homosexuality, murder, incest, rape, sex outside of marriage (i.e. fornication), adultery, drunkenness, cursing, lying, stealing, covetousness (desiring what belongs to someone else), etc. are all things that people in this world do or practice, some of which they do without shame or qualms. But you know what that is exactly why this world is such disarray, no one judges right from wrong by God's standard. Each person is doing so by either their own standard or society's standard of right and wrong. Look at the result of humanity not judging sin from Adam and Eve down to us today (approximately 6,000 years) and what has it produced yvonekarate? I will tell you. Unwed mothers, sex outside of marriage to multiple partners, aborted babies 🙁 , A.I.D.S., other sexually transmitted diseases, alcoholics, drunk drivers, many tragic drunk driving accidents that have left people in wheel chairs, paralyzed for life, or dead, men and women having sex with children (i.e. pedophiles), rapists, racism, substance abusers and drug addicts, poverty, theft, robbery, stealing, larceny, rebellious, disrespectful children, pornographic smut and filth, and the list goes on.
For what? Because no one wants to call a spade a spade. No one wants to call sin, sin.
We call sin everything but sin. For example, God calls homosexuality an abomination and we call it an "alternative lifestyle." God calls sex outside of marriage sin but we call it being "sexually active, being a swinger or a player." God calls excessive drinking drunkenness and we call it getting "buzzed or messed up." God calls drugs sorcery but we call it "getting high." God calls abortion (i.e. the systematic murder of human beings) murder, but we call it "pro-choice." God calls racism hate we call it "superiority." God calls taking something that does not belong to you stealing, but we call it "borrowing."
It does not matter whether you see homosexuality as a sin or not (more evidence that you are not born again) you are not their Judge. Those homosexuals will not stand before you and give an account for their lives, they will stand before God. God will judge all of humanity by His Word and nothing else. God will not judge the world by their perceptions of right and wrong or by what society felt was right at the time. He will hold us accountable for what His eternal Word states. So, you don’t have to ever agree with God about homosexuality being an abomination because He will not consult you during judgment.
Of course God loves everyone He is love but God is also Judge of the universe. Many people (yourself included) love to harp on the love of God without ever talking about His wrath. God hates sin and will one day judge sinners. As much as parents love their children they must also judge their behavior if it conflicts with the rules that they have established in the home. According to the Bible a loving parent demonstrates their love for their child by disciplining him/her promptly.
Proverbs 13:24
He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.
Hebrews 12:6
For whom the LORD loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He receives.”
Based on these verses discipline is an act of love. If you love your children then you should discipline them when they disobey you. Discipline can take a number of forms. You don’t have to abuse your children to discipline them, use wisdom.
Moreover, there is a point at which God’s forgiveness is no longer available. That point is reached when you die in sin. At that point you can no longer be forgiven of your sin. For example, if you die a sinner (i.e. a person who does not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin) then you forfeit God’s forgiveness made available in His Son Jesus Christ. You must die in Christ (i.e. forgiven of all of your sins before you die) in order to receive God’s forgiveness. You cannot be a practicing homosexual and expect to receive God’s forgiveness when you die. You will go straight to Hell.