Can you handle the Truth?

Started by Crimson Phoenix432 pages

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I accept what the Bible reveals about God.

Intolerance? What intolerance? What you see as intolerance I see as God's order. That is why there is so much lawlessness because there is no order in society. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes (just like the Bible states) and then people wonder why the world is so chaotic. God has a reason for every instruction that He gives. He has seen the ramification for every action (all of the possibilities) so He knows what will produce the highest benefit and good for us. God's laws and commands stem from His infinite wisdom and they are motivated by His love for the world. Every rule is designed to produce, secure, and protect our well-being.

Why do you confuse loving homosexuals with loving their lifestyle and practice? Jesus does command Christians to love homosexuals but not their sin. I love homosexuals but I hate their sin because it is an abomination to God and it is sending them to Hell.

You only have to look everywhere to see intolerance in religions name. I'm not jsut talking about Christianity, but all organised religion (cept Buddism). You cant deny christians, muslims, majority of religions, are intolerant to homosexuality, and to some extent women.

Why would God create homosexuality if he (or she, you never know, god could be a woman) if it was a sin?

Originally posted by Jana
Cute. 😊 Sorry, but very cute.

And to the question of the thread:
I couldn't care less what is written in the bible and I have to admit that I have no idea what is actually written in it, but I have my own moral standards and I don't intentionally lie.
If I do to protect someone else's feelings out of pure self-righteousness I have a very bad conscience and I don't like being lied to no matter what the contents.
So I always try to tell the truth, because it cannot be something for which I should be ashamed of seeing it is me who represents it or is responsible for it.

If you are not sure whether or not to do something I'd advise Kant's ethics rather than the bible. You are on the save side then.

I don't need a God to tell me what I should feel is right and what is wrong. Yayies for me. dancing

Cute. 😊 Sorry, but very cute.???

Anyhoo, Jana you are still a sinner destined for Hell unless you ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins. The fact that you do not intentionally lie etc. is irrelevant and immaterial.

The issue is not about right and wrong, the issue is where will you spend eternity? You could be as good and commendable as Mother Theresa, as peaceful as Ghandi, and as renowned as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., but without Jesus Christ you are still lost. Jesus Christ died to save sinners from the wages of their sins which is death (eternal death and separation from God in the lake of fire forever). This is why your good works are irrelevant apart from Christ. Good works cannot save you only Christ Jesus can save you. If good works could save you then Jesus Christ died in vain. But good works cannot save you that is why Jesus Christ died for you. He died to pay for your sins so that you could be declared righteous to go to Heaven. You cannot earn your way into Heaven. You must be declared righteous in order to enter Heaven (it is a standing with God as it were not an action on your part). Through Jesus Christ we are declared righteous and thus fit for Heaven through Him. We are all born sinners (that is why no matter how good we are we are still lost and on our way to Hell without exercising faith in Jesus Christ for salvation from our sins).

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
You only have to look everywhere to see intolerance in religions name. I'm not jsut talking about Christianity, but all organised religion (cept Buddism). You cant deny christians, muslims, majority of religions, are intolerant to homosexuality, and to some extent women.

Why would God create homosexuality if he (or she, you never know, god could be a woman) if it was a sin?

Where did you get the idea that God created homosexuality?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..same old crap..same old crap

yawn

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Where did you get the idea that God created homosexuality?

since God supposedly created sexuality, and homosexuality is not a choice

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Where did you get the idea that God created homosexuality?

Erm....well didnt God create everything. I would have thought homosexuals were part of that everything

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You also claim god wrote the bible. So basicly you just implicity trust the word of a person you've never met, who's promises have yet to be fufilied, who has ordered the slaughter of thosands and seems to generally enjoy causing chaos.

Symmetric Chaos, I never claimed that God wrote the Bible. The Bible was written by men. But all Scripture was given by inspiration of God. God gave the inspiration for what was written, but God did not write it.

Well maybe God inspired people to be gay 😄

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Erm....well didnt God create everything. I would have thought homosexuals were part of that everything

God created male and female and told them (i.e. male and female not male and male or female and female, but male and female) to be fruitful and to multiply. This is the order of God. Homosexuality is not God's order, it is an abomination. In fact, homosexuality is a choice.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In fact, [B]homosexuality is a choice. [/B]

Just like Christianity.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God created male and female and told [B]them (i.e. male and female not male and male or female and female, but male and female) to be fruitful and to multiply. This is the order of God. Homosexuality is not God's order, it is an abomination. In fact, homosexuality is a choice. [/B]

Well its obvious you're a closet case

Being gay aint a chice. You're born gay. No amount of bible quotes are gonna change that

Originally posted by Devil King
Just like Christianity.

You are absolutely right!

😄

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Well its obvious you're a closet case

Being gay aint a chice. You're born gay. No amount of bible quotes are gonna change that

Homosexuality has always been a choice. There are people who have been set free from the perversion.

Check out these links:

http://www.exodus-international.org/

http://exodusyouth.net/youth/index.html

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Homosexuality has always been a choice. There are people who have been set free from the perversion.

Check out these links:

http://www.exodus-international.org/

http://exodusyouth.net/youth/index.html

Again with all this shit?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Homosexuality has always been a choice. There are people who have been set free from the perversion.

Check out these links:

http://www.exodus-international.org/

http://exodusyouth.net/youth/index.html

Its called being forced back in the closet

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Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Its called being forced back in the closet
Not really, many are very valid. Even if one is born with homosexual tendencies, it doesn't mean they cannot be overcome. Many people are born with aggressive drives and through behavioural therapy and/or caring and attentitive parents they can control and overcome their violent urges. Whether one wants to change is entirely up to them and whether they will be able to is influenced by a variety of things, such as social pressure, sexual experiences, familial support, etc. These can all push either way.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
Well its obvious you're a closet case

Being gay aint a chice. You're born gay. No amount of bible quotes are gonna change that

There is no official scientific evidence that proves people are born gay. There is no "gay gene" or gay center of the brain. Numerous Homosexuals even state that being gay is not "normal", more a challenge to the norm. You just choose to believe what many homosexuals state so that you will be non-discriminatory-but not all gays agree with the "gay gene" theory.

"Homosexual activists, of course, claim that their behavior is "normal" and that's why the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a Gender Identity Disorder in 1973. What they fail to admit, however, is that homosexual activists literally terrorized the APA into removing homosexuality as a disorder. Homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admits this. He notes: "Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

Originally posted by WheretoVirtue?
There is no official scientific evidence that proves people are born gay. There is no "gay gene" or gay center of the brain. Numerous Homosexuals even state that being gay is not "normal", more a challenge to the norm. You just choose to believe what many homosexuals state so that you will be non-discriminatory-but not all gays agree with the "gay gene" theory.

"Homosexual activists, of course, claim that their behavior is "normal" and that's why the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a Gender Identity Disorder in 1973. What they fail to admit, however, is that homosexual activists literally terrorized the APA into removing homosexuality as a disorder. Homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admits this. He notes: "Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality."

Its not really as simple as that. I know there is know there is no "gay gene", but there are some genetic components, and some environmental components to being gay. Its still not competely known, but who cares, theres no straight gene either.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
theres no straight gene either.

Not true. All genes are straight. Didn't you know that?

If you guys want to talk about the genetics of the situation, there's a 500 page thread in the GDF.