Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
I personally believe that giving freedom you yourself created is a gesture of love and power. If you truly love someone you'll give them the freedom to do as they please - and let them grow in the consequences of their actions, whether it be good or bad. Also, it's easy to just control someone if you can. It takes true power and superiority to let them have their freedom, but still be up top.

Yeah, but you ignore the big picture.

If god is omnipotent, he can change whatever at any given time, over-riding the concept of free will. You're relying on your own personal PERCEPTION that god is not interfering in your life. You have no way of proving you are in control. It seems you just hold the position you do because it makes you feel better, then retroactivley use it to justify your god's greatness. Humans dismissed this dark age mentality with their governments ages ago.

If god is all knowing and all seeing (omnipotent) then your decisions (and their consequences) are already made and seen. You have no will to change them.

Originally posted by peejayd
* how did you know? 😕

* there's no absolutes... in the Bible, people with Holy Spirit can lose patience, would also hate... allow me to explain... there are certain instances that a person should be angry:

"[b]Be angry, and do not sin: do not let the sun go down on your wrath,"
Ephesians 4:26

"And this account of them is really true. Because it is true, rebuke them sharply, deal sternly, even severely with them, so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error,"
Titus 1:13

"Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him,
And said, O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord?"
Acts 13:9-10

* there are instances that a person should hate:

"Hate evil, love good; Establish justice in the gate. It may be that the Lord God of hosts will be gracious to the remnant of Joseph."
Amos 5:15

"Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good."
Romans 12:9

* the Bible teaches no hypocrisy... Christians are also people like you who knows how to be angry, to hate and to lose patience... saying that if the Holy Spirit is in a person, that person should be forever patient and absolutely forgiving is purely a misinterpretation on how the Holy Spirit work in a person's daily life...

* mr.shakyamunison, please justify yourself by saying we - as Christians - do not manifest something in our lives... how do you know? do you see us everyday? if not, that is one of your most judgmental posts ever made... 😉 [/B]

Hate is like taking poison in order to hurt someone else.

Anger is not hate. Hate is the opposite of love, but like love, hate will guide you.

If you hate, you start by hurting yourself first.

You are correct. There is no way that a holy spirit was in the lives of anyone. I was simply telling you that if there was such a thing as a holy spirit, then Christians was be different, but they are not.

And to answer the question at the end; it's as clear as day. What you are not manifesting is something you claim not to have, but which logic would suggest you should have.

Originally posted by Ordo
Yeah, but you ignore the big picture.

If god is omnipotent, he can change whatever at any given time, over-riding the concept of free will. You're relying on your own personal PERCEPTION that god is not interfering in your life. You have no way of proving you are in control. It seems you just hold the position you do because it makes you feel better, then retroactivley use it to justify your god's greatness. Humans dismissed this dark age mentality with their governments ages ago.

If god is all knowing and all seeing (omnipotent) then your decisions (and their consequences) are already made and seen. You have no will to change them.

I don't really claim to know everything about this, so I'm not sure I can answer that question. This is exactly why I'm studying the Bible further. xD

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What you are not manifesting is something you claim not to have, but which logic would suggest you should have.

* clearly means Christians are also humans/people like you... we all make mistakes and just like everyone else, Christians have guidance thru Bible/God's words just like you in Buddha's doctrines...

Originally posted by peejayd
* clearly means Christians are also humans/people like you... we all make mistakes and just like everyone else, Christians have guidance thru Bible/God's words just like you in Buddha's doctrines...

So, Christianity is just like Buddhism?

* the person... not the religious group...

Originally posted by peejayd
* the person... not the religious group...

Without the person there is no Buddhism.

* what i mean was, humans/people are still humans/people... we are all alike in most ways... but gravely differ in belief...

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
I don't really claim to know everything about this, so I'm not sure I can answer that question. This is exactly why I'm studying the Bible further. xD

If you find the answer, let me know.

People have been looking for it forever. The reason is, all this junk is not in the Bible and certainly wasn't in Jesus' teachings. These were arguemnts invented by man and the church for how they want to percieve their Bible and religion. They bear no relation to reality.

Originally posted by Ordo
If you find the answer, let me know.

People have been looking for it forever. The reason is, all this junk is not in the Bible and certainly wasn't in Jesus' teachings. These were arguemnts invented by man and the church for how they want to percieve their Bible and religion. They bear no relation to reality.

I have a question thought. What is free will to you, anyway? 😄 Because the way I see it, without God, you're never truly "free" in this world, anyway...

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
Because the way I see it, without God, you're never truly "free" in this world, anyway...

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
Because the way I see it, without God, you're never truly "free" in this world, anyway...

I take it you have either a nonstandard definition of God or a nonstandard definition of free.

I think he means, that without god or some supernatural imbuing of "free will" on humans, we are victims of the determinism of physics

That's a possibility, but I think he might have stated that more explicitly in that case.

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
I have a question thought. What is free will to you, anyway? 😄 Because the way I see it, without God, you're never truly "free" in this world, anyway...

Wow...just wow. Can you explain that?

Originally posted by inimalist
I think he means, that without god or some supernatural imbuing of "free will" on humans, we are victims of the determinism of physics

Maybe he means that without God one is enslaved to the Devil?

Though, that would be trading masters not really freeing.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Maybe he means that without God one is enslaved to the Devil?

Though, that would be trading masters not really freeing.

Originally posted by Ordo
Yeah, but you ignore the big picture.

If god is omnipotent, he can change whatever at any given time, over-riding the concept of free will. You're relying on your own personal PERCEPTION that god is not interfering in your life. You have no way of proving you are in control. It seems you just hold the position you do because it makes you feel better, then retroactivley use it to justify your god's greatness. Humans dismissed this dark age mentality with their governments ages ago.

If god is all knowing and all seeing (omnipotent) then your decisions (and their consequences) are already made and seen. You have no will to change them.

God is omnipotent but He is also righteous and just.

As believers we pursue God's will for our lives anyway so it doesn't matter whether one is or is not in control of his/her life. Why is that a question? If I want I can do anything I will or choose to do within my capacity and means. But I choose to live my life in pursuit of God's will despite the fact that I have a free will to choose to do otherwise.

JIA, I promise to convert if you admit to lying about Benjamin Franklin finally...

Originally posted by King Kandy
JIA, I promise to convert if you admit to lying about Benjamin Franklin finally...

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