Originally posted by AngryManatee
Can this argument get any more retarded? This is the very reason why JIA gets not respect, and I don't mean in the Rodney Dangerfield sense. It all just breaks down to "I'm right because the bible is right and anything stated in the bible is right and therefore it is right. That's all the proof required."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]...God is love--1 John 4:8Therefore,
John 3:16
[/B]
For LOVE so loved the world that He [LOVE] gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Make that: For love so loved the world that love gave love only begotten love that whoever believes in love should not perish but have everlasting life.
Which just sounds silly, now doesn't it.
Let's get one thing straight: even the dumbest people in the Western world know more than a scholar did in the 1200s and apply a more stringent fact-finding logic to proposed ideas in all areas... except religion. We grow up learning about Greek Mythology and the Olympians, of the Egyptian gods, even of some of the lesser civilizations dieties (Hindu, etc), taking them for with the grain of salt that we should, but then turn around and profess that God exists and His Word was put into a book?? Imagine if everyone woke up tomorrow and had forgotten everything they had learned except for the basis for living (reading, writing, communication). What would happen when someone read the Bible or the Koran? They would be put into the Fiction section. The very idea that the "Word of God" could be boiled down to a single, dogmatic ethos and put into main form of media of the time is idiocy. How incredibly astounding would it be if Star Wars was worshipped as the word of God in a millenia? Could you POSSIBLy think of anything more ridiculous? So why do we actively let this go on? To put it into context even more, replace every mentioning of God in a conversation or political talk with "Zeus" and see how ****ing moronic it is. This works doubly when George Bush is involved.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of American, and to the Republic, for which it stands. One nation, under Zeus, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Faith represents the single biggest factual vortex of all time, one whose pull effects terribly misguided reasoning to modern situations and fudges our ability to deal with actual problems. We are, as a society, unwilling to place blame on the ecclesiastical system for any fault that it is the heart of, and we actively persecute those who do not submit to these fictions. If the most brilliant man in the world ran for the US Presidency against a plumber, yet the former attested that there is no god and the latter did, who do you think would win?
A young man steps onto a crowded bus with a bomb strapped to his chest and ten minutes later, kills 50 people, but we never, as a society, stand up and blame the one thing that is responsible: his faith. Faith makes rational human beings irrational; it strips away the humanity intrinsic between one another, allowing for horrible atrocities to be committed. The Bible and the Koran both state, very openly, that all non-believers must either be converted or killed; a moderate reading of either still leads to the quiet acquiesence to extremism. Human beings should be allowed to believe what they want, but faith provides them a buffer for autrocities, even those that don't appear as such. In the US courts, a parent cannot be charged with murder if they allow a toddler to die because their faith prohibits medicinal intervention. In 2007, a fire broke out in Mecca and firefighters were barred from aiding the girls trapped inside because the girls were not properly attired to be viewed in public by men. This is the effect of faith! Never has a secular and free government ever been responsible for such grave injustices! And yet you defend religion?
Religion is, by far, the biggest threat to the existence of this world. It is given a free-pass because of the rampant mysticism in our society and it is this tragedy that angers those that have the rationality to apply objective logic to all aspects of existence. I have seen evangelical families and I see first-hand what faith does to otherwise brilliant people.
I refuse to get into a debate for such a silly reason.
"I have sworn, upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Make that: For love so loved the world that love gave love only begotten love that whoever believes in love should not perish but have everlasting life.Which just sounds silly, now doesn't it.
You needed to end it like this: ...but have everlasting love.
It is just nutty.
Originally posted by Eon Blue
Let's get one thing straight: even the dumbest people in the Western world know more than a scholar did in the 1200s and apply a more stringent fact-finding logic to proposed ideas in all areas... except religion. We grow up learning about Greek Mythology and the Olympians, of the Egyptian gods, even of some of the lesser civilizations dieties (Hindu, etc), taking them for with the grain of salt that we should, but then turn around and profess that God exists and His Word was put into a book?? Imagine if everyone woke up tomorrow and had forgotten everything they had learned except for the basis for living (reading, writing, communication). What would happen when someone read the Bible or the Koran? They would be put into the Fiction section. The very idea that the "Word of God" could be boiled down to a single, dogmatic ethos and put into main form of media of the time is idiocy. How incredibly astounding would it be if Star Wars was worshipped as the word of God in a millenia? Could you POSSIBLy think of anything more ridiculous? So why do we actively let this go on? To put it into context even more, replace every mentioning of God in a conversation or political talk with "Zeus" and see how ****ing moronic it is. This works doubly when George Bush is involved."I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of American, and to the Republic, for which it stands. One nation, under Zeus, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Faith represents the single biggest factual vortex of all time, one whose pull effects terribly misguided reasoning to modern situations and fudges our ability to deal with actual problems. We are, as a society, unwilling to place blame on the ecclesiastical system for any fault that it is the heart of, and we actively persecute those who do not submit to these fictions. If the most brilliant man in the world ran for the US Presidency against a plumber, yet the former attested that there is no god and the latter did, who do you think would win?
A young man steps onto a crowded bus with a bomb strapped to his chest and ten minutes later, kills 50 people, but we never, as a society, stand up and blame the one thing that is responsible: his faith. Faith makes rational human beings irrational; it strips away the humanity intrinsic between one another, allowing for horrible atrocities to be committed. The Bible and the Koran both state, very openly, that all non-believers must either be converted or killed; a moderate reading of either still leads to the quiet acquiesence to extremism. Human beings should be allowed to believe what they want, but faith provides them a buffer for autrocities, even those that don't appear as such. In the US courts, a parent cannot be charged with murder if they allow a toddler to die because their faith prohibits medicinal intervention. In 2007, a fire broke out in Mecca and firefighters were barred from aiding the girls trapped inside because the girls were not properly attired to be viewed in public by men. This is the effect of faith! Never has a secular and free government ever been responsible for such grave injustices! And yet you defend religion?
Religion is, by far, the biggest threat to the existence of this world. It is given a free-pass because of the rampant mysticism in our society and it is this tragedy that angers those that have the rationality to apply objective logic to all aspects of existence. I have seen evangelical families and I see first-hand what faith does to otherwise brilliant people.
I refuse to get into a debate for such a silly reason.
"I have sworn, upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
That is incorrect. The Bible has never stated that an unbeliever be converted or killed. But the Quran (Koran) does teach this.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Hinduism is "lesser"? Sorry but it has outlasted all those other ones.
Not really, any decent Sociologist or Religious Scholar would point out that Hinduism is a continuously evolving system of beliefs. Within Hinduism there are thousands of religions. Most modern ones not really much like those that came at the very beginning...though what that means for Hinduism? Not much because the basic belief is the same "do good to others and good will be done to you." The core belief of every religion.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Not really, any decent Sociologist or Religious Scholar would point out that Hinduism is a continuously evolving system of beliefs. Within Hinduism there are thousands of religions. Most modern ones not really much like those that came at the very beginning...though what that means for Hinduism? Not much because the basic belief is the same "do good to others and good will be done to you." The core belief of every religion.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Believe me, I am as aware of all this as you are... Hinduism of current time is much different from the Vedas and such. But, every religion has changed and hinduism is in no way "lesser" than any other religion.
I would say the term "religion" doesn't really fit what hinduism is...
I mean, what is your definition of religion?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no such thing as a true Christians. Not even the apostles were true Christians. Therefore you are correct.
The Lord Jesus Christ never instructed nor commanded his followers (believers in Him) to kill unbelievers. Besides, the Lord Himself never killed anyone either.