Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why would I do that when the Bible teaches that there is only one true God? You have implied that Allah and God are not the same by asking me to do with Allah what I have encouraged you do with God (YHWH).
Re: Re: Can you handle the Truth?
Originally posted by JacopeX
Why can't you understand that spreading Christian doctrines is unrighteously forcing ideas upon another? Religion is based on faith and we, as a community, must all just continue our practices.Spread the word on a manner of understanding of the general public as agnostics with a smaller idea of faith. I respect you JIA and your devotion to a belief system that advocates morals and safe practices (politics are ruining the looks of religion as I believe it has no place for it). But just understand where I am coming from here. As a catholic, I believe in my religious faith as just a mere faith that conducts us all into a good devotion that contributes to the way to live life at a better lifestyle with a philosophy of good morals. We all have different aspects and metalities of it, my friend.
God bless you. 🙂
My friend, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death. Jesus Christ died to redeem fallen humanity from the wages of sin i.e. death. There is no other way to be saved from the wages of sin except one putting their faith and trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This is the crux of the whole matter: where will you spend eternity? If the wages of your sin are paid for through the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ then you will be with Jesus Christ in Paradise. If the wages of your sin have not been paid for because you have not put your faith in Jesus Christ and received His payment for your sins then an eternity in the lake of fire awaits you. Can you see that this gospel of the Kingdom concerning Jesus Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection is not just about living your life better but has to do with life after you die? It deals with the hereafter. This life is but a vapor in terms of its brevity. A very important decision must be made in this life before you die in order to go to Heaven. You could live your life as morally as possible and still die and go to Hell because you failed to accept Jesus Christ's death as payment for your sins.
This is where the rubber meets the road.
Good people who are not born again do not go to be with Jesus Christ in Heaven. But born again people who have received Jesus' death as payment for their sins go into Jesus' presence in Heaven.
Do you follow what I am trying to say?
There is a spiritual condition that must be dealt with, sin must be addressed before you die. No one is good enough to merit Heaven because we are born sinful and spiritually dead. That is why we must become born again. We must ask Jesus Christ to wash away our sins so that we will become born again, new creations, free from the wages of our sins--before we die in order to go to Heaven. If we remain in the sinful state that we are born in and die will cannot enter Heaven. Jesus is the Door and Way to Heaven because He paid the price with His shed Blood. If life was just about doing good works then Jesus would not have had to die in order to redeem us.
But it is okay to live morally once you are born again. It does not save you but it glorifies God. Good works for a believer culminate in rewards if done for the right motive. But good works for a sinner or unbeliever perish along with the person because the person must pay for his/her own sins in Hell.
Re: Re: Can you handle the Truth?
Originally posted by JacopeX
Why can't you understand that spreading Christian doctrines is unrighteously forcing ideas upon another? Religion is based on faith and we, as a community, must all just continue our practices.Spread the word on a manner of understanding of the general public as agnostics with a smaller idea of faith. I respect you JIA and your devotion to a belief system that advocates morals and safe practices (politics are ruining the looks of religion as I believe it has no place for it). But just understand where I am coming from here. As a catholic, I believe in my religious faith as just a mere faith that conducts us all into a good devotion that contributes to the way to live life at a better lifestyle with a philosophy of good morals. We all have different aspects and metalities of it, my friend.
God bless you. 🙂
God bless you too!
Originally posted by King Kandy[omitted info]
That's a different issue altogether. In that case, people are arguing about whether the word actually is from god. If god is infallible then there are many reasons to believe the bible could not be his word, as in the solomon example you have avoided discussing.
This was my reason for asking you to ask Jesus Christ to reveal to you if He is true and if the Bible is His Word. You stated that people are arguing whether the Word is actually from God. Just ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you. You will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Truth is a Person: Jesus the Christ!
I don't need to do this with Allah because that would go against my already established belief there is only one true God (YHWH) and He has sent His Son to be the (only) Savior of the world. I don't argue whether Allah is god or not (I don't believe that Allah is god) or whether the Bible is the Word of the living God (YHWH) or not--I believe that it is!
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don’t see how someone can be spiritually dead.You speak as if God was separate from the universe.
This is simply recruiting propaganda in order to get more people to become Christians. Other major religions in the world use similar techniques, like for example Islam.
This is a twisted form of Karma. This idea was most likely borrowed from the Hindu religion long ago.
Your god seems to be very limited. My definition, a god would not have such limitations. I think it would be more correct to call your god a demigod.
I was born alive, and am still alive. I have a wonderful spiritual practice, therefore, you cannot correct.
This is simply something you believe. You should let go of magic and supernatural delusions. They only lead to suffering.
You cannot be separate from a god, unless you are talking about a demigod.
Jesus was just a man like the rest of us.
Heaven and hell are states of mind that living people experience. No one experiences death, because if they did, they would not be dead.
A God would be complete, and not needing or wanting.
Adam and Eve are mythology, so you can’t talk about them in literal term, but only in symbolic terms.
But if this god is all knowing, then he knew the outcome of his action, long before man ever did anything. Therefore, the ultimate responsibility would be this all-knowing god.
I feel sorry for you. With such an tormented outlook on life, you must really suffer.
Limited thinking leads to extremism. Life is not black or white.
According to Christian mythology, god created this hell. That would make god like a jailer. You could say a jailer is not responsible for the crimes that the prisoners committed, but a jailer is not a god. Again an all knowing god would have the foresight to avoid the need for a hell in the first place. Sense you have told me that this is not the case, then I can only conclude that your god made this in such a way as to need a hell, long before he did anything. That makes him responsible.
No one “knew” this. This is something that is taught by people. A child that was never told anything about Christian mythology would not know any of this.
Adam is mythology, so you can’t talk about him in literal term, but only in symbolic terms. Therefore, there was no time before Adam, because that would lead to a paradox. If a christ was not needed before an event took place, then that christ would not exist. However, based on what you have said in the past, this christ was in the beginning.
That is because heaven is only experienced by the living, and not after we die.
Again, I don’t think a person can be spiritually dead. Spirituality is all about life, and has nothing to do with death. Unless you are part of a death cult.
There is so much wrong with this that I am not even going to commit.
I would never follow you.
I base my posts, comments on what Scripture reveals about the fallen nature of humanity. I think this is where the disconnect is. I am talking from the point of view of the Bible about humanity's spiritual condition not from my own personal opinion. The Bible is my Source for what I talk about from a doctrinal standpoint. So really when you disagree with me you are actually disagreeing with the Bible and God because I am simply conveying what He has made known through His Word.
You have a difficult time understanding what I am talking about because you do not believe the Bible. All of your comments contradict the Bible because they are based on your opinions. Not one thing that I write is based on opinion but the Bible. Your opinions are mutable and unreliable because they change with the times. But the Word of God abides forever. It is forever settled in Heaven. It will never change. A million years from now the Bible will still read,
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Your opinions, mindset, philosophy, outllook, perspective, and beliefs will not matter. Can't you see how futile it is to say, "well i think..." or "I don't believe..."?
It does not matter what you think or believe if it disagrees with the Bible. You are still wrong. That goes for me and anyone else that denies the Truth of the Word of God. The Bible is final. There will not be anymore Scriptures written. That is why there is a prohibition about adding to or taking away from the Word of God. It is absolute.
Go back up and read your comments not one thing you wrote agrees with the Bible therefore you are in error. With all due respect it is as simple as that.
Can this argument get any more retarded? This is the very reason why JIA gets not respect, and I don't mean in the Rodney Dangerfield sense. It all just breaks down to "I'm right because the bible is right and anything stated in the bible is right and therefore it is right. That's all the proof required."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I base my posts, comments on what Scripture reveals about the fallen nature of humanity. I think this is where the disconnect is.
The disconnect is the fact that you do not even know where your interpretation of the bible comes from. It is only a few hundred years old. Before that, people had a completely different interpretation of the bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am talking from the point of view of the Bible about humanity's spiritual condition not from my own personal opinion.
You are really talking about someone else's interpretation of the bible. There are many Christians who read the same book as you do and disagree with you completely.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible is my Source for what I talk about from a doctrinal standpoint. So really when you disagree with me you are actually disagreeing with the Bible and God because I am simply conveying what He has made known through His Word.
No, I am disagreeing with your interpretation of the bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have a difficult time understanding what I am talking about because you do not believe the Bible.
I understand exactly what you are talking about. I used to believe the same thing.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All of your comments contradict the Bible because they are based on your opinions.
No, my comments contradict your interpretation of the bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Not one thing that I write is based on opinion but the Bible. Your opinions are mutable and unreliable because they change with the times.
…and the beliefs you have now are only a few hundred years old. I haven’t really talked about my opinion. I have only been trying to cast light into your dark cage.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But the Word of God abides forever. It is forever settled in Heaven. It will never change. A million years from now the Bible will still read,
A million years from now the English language will not exist, and any belief structure that exists at the time will be completely different. That is if humans still exist.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Your opinions, mindset, philosophy, outllook, perspective, and beliefs will not matter. Can't you see how futile it is to say, "well i think..." or "I don't believe..."?
I’m using “I” language to not be offensive, so don’t be confused by that.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It does not matter what you think or believe if it disagrees with the Bible.
…disagrees with your interpretation of the bible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are still wrong. That goes for me and anyone else that denies the Truth of the Word of God. The Bible is final. There will not be anymore Scriptures written. That is why there is a prohibition about adding to or taking away from the Word of God. It is absolute.
There have already been a lot of “scripture” written. The Koran and the book of Mormon are just two examples.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Go back up and read your comments not one thing you wrote agrees with the Bible therefore you are in error. With all due respect it is as simple as that.
Don’t use the word respect. I hate to see you lie.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Can this argument get any more retarded? This is the very reason why JIA gets not respect, and I don't mean in the Rodney Dangerfield sense. It all just breaks down to "I'm right because the bible is right and anything stated in the bible is right and therefore it is right. That's all the proof required."
We will try the best we can, but the cage he is in can only be opened from the inside.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This was my reason for asking you to ask Jesus Christ to reveal to you if He is true and if the Bible is His Word. You stated that people are arguing whether the Word is actually from God. Just ask Jesus to reveal Himself to you. You will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Truth is a Person: Jesus the Christ!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't need to do this with Allah because that would go against my already established belief there is only one true God (YHWH) and He has sent His Son to be the (only) Savior of the world.
Do you see how easy it is to say that? If going against someone's "already established belief" should never be done, then you are violating your own principals by coming to this forum and trying to convert people.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't argue whether Allah is god or not (I don't believe that Allah is god) or whether the Bible is the Word of the living God (YHWH) or not--I believe that it is!
Originally posted by King Kandy
This may be true (though I have reason to doubt it), but like I said you are setting a double standard here by saying I need to try this but you have no obligation to try my request.I don't need to do this with YHWH because that would go against my already established belief there is [B]not
one true God (YHWH) and He has not sent His Son to be the (only) Savior of the world.Do you see how easy it is to say that? If going against someone's "already established belief" should never be done, then you are violating your own principals by coming to this forum and trying to convert people.
Now this is just a flat-out lie. You have argued about Allah vs. YHWH many, many times (you have even made threads just for this purpose). You have argued both of these topics many, many times... in fact it's pretty much all you have done on KMC. [/B]
I'm saying I don't argue whether Allah is the true God (I already know that he is not) in reference to our discussion which is why i don't need to ask Allah if he is the true God.
But in your case you don't know whether Jesus is all Who the Bible says that He is so it would be more advantageous for you to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Do you know what I mean now?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm saying I don't argue whether Allah is the true God (I already know that he is not) in reference to our discussion which is why i don't need to ask Allah if he is the true God.
Additionally, looking at any of the posts in the following threads will show you spend huge quantities of time arguing about Allah's existence:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=449832
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426916
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427959
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But in your case you don't know whether Jesus is all Who the Bible says that He is so it would be more advantageous for you to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Do you know what I mean now?
Originally posted by King Kandy
And I already know that YHWH is not the true god, so by your logic I do not need to ask him either. Either we both need to do this, or neither of us do. There is no way to twist this into being a one-sided exchange.Additionally, looking at any of the posts in the following threads will show you spend huge quantities of time arguing about Allah's existence:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=449832
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=426916
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427959No I don't because the grammar of that sentence rendered it completely unintelligible. If I am to contradict my pre-established belief, then you must do so as well. Logically, our points are identical. They only seem different to you because of your conviction that you are walking the correct path.
I reiterate "in reference to our discussion" I don't argue... do you follow me?
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Can this argument get any more retarded? This is the very reason why JIA gets not respect, and I don't mean in the Rodney Dangerfield sense. It all just breaks down to "I'm right because the bible is right and anything stated in the bible is right and therefore it is right. That's all the proof required."
that literally made my day
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I reiterate "in reference to our discussion" I don't argue... do you follow me?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]...God is love--1 John 4:8Therefore,
John 3:16
[/B]
For LOVE so loved the world that He [LOVE] gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
I noticed how you did not replace the word son with love. I wander what that means.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life...Do you want to live forever? Then simply put your faith (trust) in Jesus Christ now. Ask Jesus Christ to wash away your sins and to give you everlasting life. [/B]
Why did you not replace the word son with love, above?