Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you believe that the Bible is a lie and that all things are relative?
No, I do not believe that the bible is a lie. The bible is just a book. The bible on it’s own does nothing. What I believe to be a lie is the belief in a creation, and a return of a hero god. There is a lot of stuff in the middle that is right on. I recommend that people read the bible, but I also recommend they read the koran.
I believe that Relativity is how the universe works. The only things that are absolute are in our mind. The way we think is limited. That limitation sets up a boundary where our minds can’t go. Therefore, it seems to be that 2 + 2 = 4 is an absolute. However, all we are really seeing is that limitation in our minds.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If so how can you speak so absolutely about the Bible being untrue?
You are confused, I don’t believe the bible to be absolutely untrue.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be insane, because that would mean you and I live in different universes. If that was the case, we would not be able to communicate.
But isn't this a contradiction?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I do not believe that the bible is a lie. The bible is just a book. The bible on it’s own does nothing. What I believe to be a lie is the belief in a creation, and a return of a hero god. There is a lot of stuff in the middle that is right on. I recommend that people read the bible, but I also recommend they read the koran.I believe that Relativity is how the universe works. The only things that are absolute are in our mind. The way we think is limited. That limitation sets up a boundary where our minds can’t go. Therefore, it seems to be that 2 + 2 = 4 is an absolute. However, all we are really seeing is that limitation in our minds.
You are confused, I don’t believe the bible to be absolutely untrue.
You just essentially stated what I stated. I proposed a question that what if what you believe is only true for you but not for me (relative vs. absolute truth). You stated:
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be insane, because that would mean you and I live in different universes. If that was the case, we would not be able to communicate.
Do you see the contradiction in what you believe? It is as though it is okay for you to disbelieve the Bible in terms of its veracity and accuracy historically, prophetically, etc. even though I believe it. But it is somehow not acceptable for me to disbelieve what you believe without being considered insane.
Besides, you state:
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The only things that are absolute are in our mind.
Again, you have just made another appeal to that which is absolute. In other words, you have just made an absolute remark. But, what if that is only true for you and not for me? Maybe the only things that are absolute are in your mind and not our mind.
You write:
Originally posted by Shakyamunison I believe that Relativity is how the universe works.
Again, isn’t that statement inherently contradictory? You say that the only things that are absolute are in our mind but you just made an another absolute statement concerning how you believe the universe works.
Which is it? Do you believe that absolutes exist or not? Because every time you open your mouth (or rather submit a post in this case) you make an absolute statement.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
(I don't know what this has to do with what caused the singularity to expand.)The chlorophyll is in the leaf of the plant just like all other plants.
But then, why are the leaves not green?
Plants don't contain the same amount of chlorophyll or the accessory pigments. Some contain more carotenoid, chlorophyll a/b or that other one that starts with an X that I forget how to spell. I think a greater amount of carotenoid pigment would be present for the plant to give off the orangy/redish color.
edit: I don't know the habitat for Japanese Maples.
Originally posted by King Kandy
(I don't know what the singularity has to do with whether bacteria can survive without oxygen.)But then, why are the leaves not green?
Some leaves are green.
Look...here is what I believe: I believe that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
The wages of sin is death.
But God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The gift of God is eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life (eternal).
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
All of your sins will be remitted forever.
You will walk on streets of gold and enjoy everlasting life for all of eternity.
You will never again suffer pain, loss, or death. The former things are passed away.
You will see His (God's) face and His Name will be on your forehead.
You will inherit all things, He (God) will be your God and you will be his son.
You will have no more questions about life's origin for now you know in part, but then you shall know just as you also are known.
Your name will be recorded in the Lamb's (the Lord Jesus'😉 Book of life.
Your citizenship will be in Heaven.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But isn't this a contradiction?
What would be a contradiction? If you believed that we live in different universes, then you are insane. There is nothing contradictory about that.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You just essentially stated what I stated. I proposed a question that what if what you believe is only true for you but not for me (relative vs. absolute truth). You stated:
I simply told you what I believe
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you see the contradiction in what you believe?
No. I don’t see a contradiction, but I also have no idea what you are talking about.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is as though it is okay for you to disbelieve the Bible in terms of its veracity and accuracy historically, prophetically, etc. even though I believe it. But it is somehow not acceptable for me to disbelieve what you believe without being considered insane.Besides, you state:
I don’t care what you believe; never have, and never will. Please stop taking these debates personally. None of what I am talking about is directed at you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Again, you have just made another appeal to that which is absolute.
I did not. I simply answered your question with what I believe. None of that is absolute.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In other words, you have just made an absolute remark.
You are getting confused between absolutes in nature, and absolutes in language caused by the limits of our mind. When you look out over the ocean, the horizon seems to be an absolute, but it is not. We are fooled by an optical illusion caused by the curvature of the Earth. You are trying to say that these absolute illusions are absolute, and that is just not true.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But, what if that is only true for you and not for me? Maybe the only things that are absolute are in your mind and not our mind.You write:
That is insanity talking to you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Again, isn’t that statement inherently contradictory?
No.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You say that the only things that are absolute are in our mind but you just made an another absolute statement concerning how you believe the universe works.
Which is in my mind. I just told you what I believe; nothing more.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which is it? Do you believe that absolutes exist or not? Because every time you open your mouth (or rather submit a post in this case) you make an absolute statement.
I believe that Relativity is how the universe works.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Some leaves are green.Look...here is what I believe: I believe that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
The wages of sin is death.
But God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
The gift of God is eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life (eternal).
If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
All of your sins will be remitted forever.
You will walk on streets of gold and enjoy everlasting life for all of eternity.
You will never again suffer pain, loss, or death. The former things are passed away.
You will see His (God's) face and His Name will be on your forehead.
You will inherit all things, He (God) will be your God and you will be his son.
You will have no more questions about life's origin for now you know in part, but then you shall know just as you also are known.
Your name will be recorded in the Lamb's (the Lord Jesus'😉 Book of life.
Your citizenship will be in Heaven.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, it was the blue unicorn that caused the big bang, and the yellow unicorn that started the singularity to expand. I already told you this. 🙄
Do you believe that there is more proof of the existence of the yellow unicorn than of an Intelligent Designer i.e. God?
How then do you account for physical constants and natural laws, absolute laws of logic, mathematics, science, and morality?
How do you explain E. coli bacterial flagellum, the brain, and the mind from non living matter?
Is all of this the product of chance?
Did all of this evolve or are they the product of intelligent design?
Which explanation is more rational?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you believe that there is more proof of the existence of the yellow unicorn than of an Intelligent Designer i.e. God?How then do you account for physical constants and natural laws, absolute laws of logic, mathematics, science, and morality?
How do you explain E. coli bacterial flagellum, the brain, and the mind from non living matter?
Is all of this the product of chance?
Did all of this evolve or are they the product of intelligent design?
Which explanation is more rational?
So just because we can't explain something that means it must be because of God? 😕
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
So just because we can't explain something that means it must be because of God? 😕
Which explanation is more rational?
Accident/chance/random occurrence produced you...or your parents?
Accident/chance/random occurrence produced the universe, physical constants, natural laws, absolute laws of logic, and mathematics, that are predictable, reliable and capable of being explained, absolute morality (e.g. rape and child molestation is wrong no matter where you live), the mind (which is more complex than a computer) etc. or...an all powerful, all-wise God Who does not occupy this four dimensional construct, Who does all things things decently and in order logically, intelligently, and has created humankind in His image with the capacity to think, reason, design, love, just like Him?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which explanation is more rational?Accident/chance/random occurrence produced you...or your parents?
Accident/chance/random occurrence produced the universe, physical constants, natural laws, absolute laws of logic, and mathematics, that are predictable, reliable and capable of being explained, absolute morality (e.g. rape and child molestation is wrong no matter where you live), the mind (which is more complex than a computer) etc. or...an all powerful, all-wise God Who does not occupy this four dimensional construct, Who does all things things decently and in order logically, intelligently, and has created humankind in His image with the capacity to think, reason, design, love, just like Him?
"rational" isn't the word you want. The first option, by definition, is more rational, logical and probable.
I think you mean "appealing"
Originally posted by inimalist
"rational" isn't the word you want. The first option, by definition, is more rational, logical and probable.I think you mean "appealing"
There is no first option.
The comparison is between accident/chance/random occurence accounting for one's life or the parents or accident/chance/random occurence accounting for the universe or God.
I guess I just phrased it wrong syntactically.
Chance is possible in the biological world, but that doesn't disprove God or a Higher Being.
Originally posted by The Dark CloudNaturally, yes. It's an impulse to say a certain process in which we do not understand is due to the powers of a Higher Being.
So just because we can't explain something that means it must be because of God? 😕
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you believe that there is more proof of the existence of the yellow unicorn than of an Intelligent Designer i.e. God?
I believe the amount of evidence for the yellow unicorn and an intelligent designer are equal and nonexistent.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How then do you account for physical constants and natural laws, absolute laws of logic, mathematics, science, and morality?
They are a reflection of the limited human mind.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How do you explain E. coli bacterial flagellum, the brain, and the mind from non living matter?
Life is a natural part of the universe. The only reason we thing that there is such a thing as non-living matter, is because of the limitations of our mind. I believe that all things living and non-living are really the same.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is all of this the product of chance?
No. Chance does not exist out side of our minds. Chance is simple us humans not knowing enough about the causes and effects that precede an event. Once all parameters are understood the outcome will be know.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Did all of this evolve or are they the product of intelligent design?
I believe in evolution. The idea of an intelligent designer is not what we see when we observe the natural words. If the universe was created by an intelligent designer, then this intelligent designer would be a deceiver.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which explanation is more rational?
Evolution is far more rational then id.
Now that I have answered your questions, please answer mine.
Do you believe in the big bang?