Can you handle the Truth?

I'm talking knowledge of sciences that are now known that were unknown when the Bible was written. What scientific strides did the Bible predict that gives it credence as a plausible cosmological theory? Because it's been wrong about many things.

Also, note how geocentric the Bible is. Note how God created light and earth before he created the sun and stars (and note how he relies on a day-night system, even though the stars weren't created yet), which AUTOMATICALLY shows that the author of the bible was scientifically illiterate, as physicists have determined that the bible's version clearly isn't what happened. So that's just one case of the Bible being proven to be outdated compared to modern science. How is it a plausible cosmology again?

Saturday, Friday. Don't matter. He relied on a day night system to create the universe, when the universe obviously doesn't rotate around a star. Only a scientifically illiterate desert primitive who told outdated geocentric myths would come up with a cosmological theory like that.

I'm sorry, but compared to the various cosmological theories created by scientists (and show me this Christian scientist who has a plausible cosmology which justifies the Bible's insane ramblings), the Bible DOES NOT hold up.

Just consider this.

God is supposed to be omniscient, and thus infallible. As in. HIS WORD IS NEVER WRONG

Now, no matter if you think 7 days actually meant 7 Earth days, or was a metaphor for some longer period of time, In Genesis, God says this:

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day

He says he created the Earth on The Third Day, and the stars on The Fourth Day. He says he created the earth before the sun. THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG. As virtually everybody knows by now, the Earth, and all planets, are products of stars.

This means that GOD WAS IRREFUTABLY WRONG AND THUS FALLIBLE, and there's no way to justify it because he CLEARLY states he created the Earth before the sun. This means that God is NOT omniscient, which completely negates the concept of his being, which in turn completely negates the ideology based around him.

I just disproved the Abrahamic God. Oh yeah 🤘

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm talking knowledge of sciences that are now known that were unknown when the Bible was written. What scientific strides did the Bible predict that gives it credence as a plausible cosmological theory? Because it's been wrong about many things.

Also, note how geocentric the Bible is. Note how God created light and earth before he created the sun and stars (and note how he relies on a day-night system, even though the stars weren't created yet), which [b]AUTOMATICALLY shows that the author of the bible was scientifically illiterate, as physicists have determined that the bible's version clearly isn't what happened. So that's just one case of the Bible being proven to be outdated compared to modern science. How is it a plausible cosmology again?

Saturday, Friday. Don't matter. He relied on a day night system to create the universe, when the universe obviously doesn't rotate around a star. Only a scientifically illiterate desert primitive who told outdated geocentric myths would come up with a cosmological theory like that.

I'm sorry, but compared to the various cosmological theories created by scientists (and show me this Christian scientist who has a plausible cosmology which justifies the Bible's insane ramblings), the Bible DOES NOT hold up. [/B]

Here's a quick list of some people that are scientists and believe in God(google is nifty)

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html

So what you're saying is that basically a being, an all powerful being mind you, cannot make light without stars? You are limiting a limitless being to fit into you're mind as to what can and cannot be done. You said earlier you believed their was a supreme power that basically started it all(just not the God of Abraham) yet this supreme being is only powerful enough to do things you think he should be able to? Kinda stomps all over the "all powerful" part a bit

Here's another list tho wiki is to be taken with a grain of salt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Doesn't matter. I just disproved the Abrahamic God irrefutably.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Doesn't matter. I just disproved the Abrahamic God irrefutably.

You didn't tho 😕

None of those people you listed , even Einstein, have come up with a cosmology that fits the narrative of the Bible. They can have religious beliefs, but they've never used science to justify them.

Also, LOL! You don't seem to get it. The Earth doesn't just get it's light from the stars. The Earth itself (and all of planets) are the PRODUCTS of stars. This is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN. We're stardust. Saying the Earth existed before the stars is like saying bread existed before wheat. It's complete nonsense. Or are you going to say scientists are wrong and the Earth isn't made up of stardust, because Jeebuz waved his magic wand? 😆

So we're back to "an all powerful being can't do..."?

How exactly was it proven? Do you know? Has anyone actually seen a planet get created?

You're right i forgot, science has never ever been wrong. Like ever! Science has always proven everything right? Never once have people been convinced that something was true based on "FACTS" of the time only to be proven to be "FALSE" later right? 😄

Originally posted by Lestov16
None of those people you listed , even Einstein, have come up with a cosmology that fits the narrative of the Bible. They can have religious beliefs, but they've never used science to justify them.

Also, LOL! You don't seem to get it. The Earth doesn't just get it's light from the stars. The Earth itself (and all of planets) are the PRODUCTS of stars. This is [b]SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN. We're stardust. Saying the Earth existed before the stars is like saying bread existed before wheat. It's complete nonsense. Or are you going to say scientists are wrong and the Earth isn't made up of stardust, because Jeebuz waved his magic wand? 😆 [/B]

Lestov16, where did the universe and everything in it (i.e. matter) come from?

The Truth (i.e. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, the Word made flesh) is easy to handle. Come to Jesus all you who labor and are heavy laden, and He will give you rest.

Take His yoke upon you and learn from Him, for He is gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

In Jesus Christ you can have, enjoy, and experience eternal love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, and eternal life.

http://www.heavenvisit.com/Retha_McPherson.php

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Worst answer to a question in the history of answering questions.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Worst answer to a question in the history of answering questions.

Well, I'm just trying to find out what you believe about the origin of the universe.

The Truth (i.e. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, the Word made flesh) is easy to handle. Come to Jesus all you who labor and are heavy laden, and He will give you rest.

Take His yoke upon you and learn from Him, for He is gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

In Jesus Christ you can have, enjoy, and experience eternal love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, and eternal life.

http://www.heavenvisit.com/Retha_McPherson.php

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Originally posted by juggerman
So we're back to "an all powerful being can't do..."?

How exactly was it proven? Do you know? Has anyone actually seen a planet get created?

You're right i forgot, science has never ever been wrong. Like ever! Science has always proven everything right? Never once have people been convinced that something was true based on "FACTS" of the time only to be proven to be "FALSE" later right? 😄

😆 I'm sorry. I was unaware you had ANY kind of scientific refutation that says the Earth was not created by stars. And if we're going by your "have we ever seen this in person" logic, have we ever seen God? Also, if you're saying that our scientific understanding is flawed, then it's pretty damn weird that we've created so much advanced technology using this "flawed" information, up to and including the LHC which allows us to see virtually of the building blocks of reality itself. But our scientific knowledge is flawed and scientists don't know WTF they're talking about when they say the Earth was created by stars. Even though our best replicated experiments pretty much confirm it. Again, 😆

But let's look further. We have NUMEROUS scientists who have analyzed and reanalyzed the data using the best possible scientific methods available, and they have all concluded that the earth is made of stars

v.s.

A book written thousands of years ago by desert primitives who clearly lack scientific understanding of any kind and existed alongside many other cultures with mythologies just like their own, only polytheistic.

Which sounds more plausible?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, I'm just trying to find out what you believe about the origin of the universe.

I believe we are part of a 10 (or more) dimensional continuum which contains all possible information patterns which compose physical and abstract reality. I believe that the universe was created 13.75 billion years ago, and I believe that sentient life's purpose isn't to be ruled by a make-believe god, but to become Gods ourselves and eventually reach the Omega Point of intelligence. And it's hard to reach that summit of intelligence when there's a 2,000 year old book spreading ignorance about the cosmology of the universe.

And again science has never been wrong?

We've had numerous scientists saying other things that have been proven untrue in the past right? But hey let's just pretend it's never happened before eh?

Except many things in the Bible have been proven true. The only things that haven't been are the ones we cannot prove at this point

Originally posted by Lestov16
😆 I'm sorry. I was unaware you had [b]ANY kind of scientific refutation that says the Earth was not created by stars. And if we're going by your "have we ever seen this in person" logic, have we ever seen God? Also, if you're saying that our scientific understanding is flawed, then it's pretty damn weird that we've created so much advanced technology using this "flawed" information, up to and including the LHC which allows us to see virtually of the building blocks of reality itself. But our scientific knowledge is flawed and scientists don't know WTF they're talking about when they say the Earth was created by stars. Even though our best replicated experiments pretty much confirm it. Again, 😆

But let's look further. We have NUMEROUS scientists who have analyzed and reanalyzed the data using the best possible scientific methods available, and they have all concluded that the earth is made of stars

v.s.

A book written thousands of years ago by desert primitives who clearly lack scientific understanding of any kind and existed alongside many other cultures with mythologies just like their own, only polytheistic.

Which sounds more plausible? [/B]

Lestov16, you believe that the earth was created by stars?

Originally posted by Lestov16
I believe we are part of a 10 (or more) dimensional continuum which contains all possible information patterns which compose physical and abstract reality. I believe that the universe was created 13.75 billion years ago, and I believe that sentient life's purpose isn't to be ruled by a make-believe god, but to become Gods ourselves and eventually reach the Omega Point of intelligence. And it's hard to reach that summit of intelligence when there's a 2,000 year old book spreading ignorance about the cosmology of the universe.

Lestov16, thank you for your candid response. With all due respect your beliefs sound like a mixture of New Age philosophy and Mormonism.

Do you agree that the earth is one special planet? Unique, truly unlike any other plantet? Suited for life? No other planet can boast of huge amounts of water (70% of it is composed of water), and an atmosphere which contains just the precise chemicals to sustain life and shield us from the sun.

The Truth (i.e. Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the Living God, the Word made flesh) is easy to handle. Come to Jesus all you who labor and are heavy laden, and He will give you rest.

Take His yoke upon you and learn from Him, for He is gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For His yoke is easy and His burden is light.

In Jesus Christ you can have, enjoy, and experience eternal love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, and eternal life.

http://www.heavenvisit.com/Retha_McPherson.php

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Originally posted by juggerman
Except many things in the Bible have been proven true. The only things that haven't been are the ones we cannot prove at this point

Which exacts of the Bible have been proven true are you referring to?

That's a pretty silly way of approaching the Bible, imo, "it's all true; we just haven't proved it yet".

Originally posted by Robtard
Which exacts of the Bible have been proven true are you referring to?

That's a pretty silly way of approaching the Bible, imo, "it's all true; we just haven't proved it yet".

Mostly the parts about Jesus, and the aftermath

There's no way to prove certain things. Like can it be proven that Moses threw down a cane and it turned into a snake? I doubt it

Originally posted by juggerman
Mostly the parts about Jesus, and the aftermath

There's no way to prove certain things. Like can it be proven that Moses threw down a cane and it turned into a snake? I doubt it

Bit vague there. Though even Jesus' existence could be disputed, but I personally feel the man did exist. Aftermath? Such as his resurrection? Not sure that can be proved.

Well yes, that is what I'm referring to in my comment of taking the "it's all true; just hasn't been proven yet" stance. IMO, stories like that are fictional, as I don't believe in magic.