Can you handle the Truth?

Started by juggerman432 pages

Originally posted by Robtard
Bit vague there. Though even Jesus' existence could be disputed, but I personally feel the man did exist. Aftermath? Such as his resurrection? Not sure that can be proved.

Well yes, that is what I'm referring to in my comment of taking the "it's all true; just hasn't been proven yet" stance. IMO, stories like that are fictional, as I don't believe in magic.

Well there's evidence he actually existed, performed miracles, had a huge following, was executed, some followers were fed to lions, and hundreds/thousands of Jewish people converted to Christianity after his death. That last part is important since throughout Jewish history, they have kept their faith no matter what. They've been enslaved, which usually results in the enslaved party eventually converting to their master's faith, and still held on to their beliefs. They seemingly saw Jesus and his following and still didn't accept him as their savior. But after his death a great number of Jewish people converted to Christianity. Seems to me they may have seen something after his death to change their minds. Not proof at all but interesting to me

Well i never claimed "it's all true" i don't think but there are things were just can't prove. The things we can indeed prove look pretty accurate.

Exactly. The earth coming before the stars is only possible through literally magic. It's why it's such a nonsense cosmology.

Or divine power

Any proof of Jesus performing these miracles? And citing that a bunch of people follow the religion, not because of any logical reason but ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED INTO IT SINCE PRACTICALLY BIRTH doesn't exactly prove it beats science.

Originally posted by juggerman
Or divine power
What's the difference between magic and divine power? What makes "divine power" any more refutable or believable?

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Originally posted by Lestov16
Any proof of Jesus performing these miracles? And citing that a bunch of people follow the religion, not because of any logical reason but [b]ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE INDOCTRINATED INTO IT SINCE PRACTICALLY BIRTH doesn't exactly prove it beats science. [/B]

Would eyewitness testimony suffice? Yet these "buch of people" didn't convert any other time, which btw could have ended their persecution. Also if you were about to be killed, throw to lions or crucfied to be exact, i'm pretty sure you would admit to a lie. None did

Originally posted by Lestov16
What's the difference between magic and divine power? What makes "divine power" any more refutable or believable?

You believe in a divine being so you should know the difference

Nice dodge to my question. What's the difference between divine power and magic, since both can not be proven and actually contradict the physical laws? How is divine power more refutable?

Divine power can be supported via faith, magic can not, or at least not without someone laughing at you. eg

"I have faith that Jesus laid hands and healed the sick." *accepted*

"I have faith that wizards are real" *mocked and laughed at*

Originally posted by Robtard
Divine power can be supported via faith, magic can not, or at least not without someone laughing at you. eg

"I have faith that Jesus laid hands and healed the sick." *accepted*

"I have faith that wizards are real" *mocked and laughed at*

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453177

Warlocks, wizards, mediums, shamans, and witches are REAL. Their power comes form satan and his angels (demons).

Voodoo, santeria, and hoodoo is REAL.

The spirit realm is REAL. Demons are REAL. Ouja boards are REAL, AVOID THEM. DO NOT contact demons through seances or any occult activity like tarot card readings, calling psychics, palm readings, charms, crystals, horoscopes, yoga, chanting yogic mantras, numerology, and the like.

Engaging in any of the above practices gives the devil and his demons PLACE i.e. legal right to steal, kill, destroy, and oppress YOU and YOUR FAMILY.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
Nice dodge to my question. What's the difference between divine power and magic, since both can not be proven and actually contradict the physical laws? How is divine power more refutable?

No dodge at all. I believe you know the difference. Divine power comes from God. Magic can come from just about any source depending on what one believes

Originally posted by Lestov16
Nice dodge to my question. What's the difference between divine power and magic, since both can not be proven and actually contradict the physical laws? How is divine power more refutable?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453177

Warlocks, wizards, mediums, shamans, and witches are REAL. Their power comes form satan and his angels (demons).

Voodoo, santeria, and hoodoo is REAL.

The spirit realm is REAL. Demons are REAL. Ouja boards are REAL, AVOID THEM. DO NOT contact demons through seances or any occult activity like tarot card readings, calling psychics, palm readings, charms, crystals, horoscopes, yoga, chanting yogic mantras, numerology, and the like.

Engaging in any of the above practices gives the devil and his demons PLACE i.e. legal right to steal, kill, destroy, and oppress YOU and YOUR FAMILY.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453177

Warlocks, wizards, mediums, shamans, and witches are REAL. Their power comes form satan and his angels (demons).

Voodoo, santeria, and hoodoo is REAL.

The spirit realm is REAL. Demons are REAL. Ouja boards are REAL, AVOID THEM. DO NOT contact demons through seances or any occult activity like tarot card readings, calling psychics, palm readings, charms, crystals, horoscopes, yoga, chanting yogic mantras, numerology, and the like.

Engaging in any of the above practices gives the devil and his demons PLACE i.e. legal right to steal, kill, destroy, and oppress YOU and YOUR FAMILY.

Have people existed and do exist that believe they're wizards, witches, shamans etc.? Yes. Do these people have actual magical abilities? No.

Voodoo is a religion. Santeria is a religion. Hoodoo is some kind of spiritual practice, not keen on this one. Do the practitioners of any of these have actual magical powers? No.

Sorry, I don't believe in ghost, demons, daemons, devils or spirits. Ouja boards are just boards, essentially a game.

I don't believe palm readers, psychics, crystals, horoscopes, card readings etc have any actual super natural powers.

Numerology was proven false. Take any book thick enough and search for preset Bibilical code; you will find what you're looking for. Someone did it with Moby Dick.

😂 Yoga? Really? It's just an exercise. Calm down.

Engaging in any of these probably won't do anything, unless you're retarded and take bad advice from a horoscope, palm reader and such.

Yoga though, that can be very good for both your body and mind, relieves stress and defines muscles. Don't discourage people from exercising, you asshat.

My lady actually got her palm read in high school and surprisingly what the weirdo said came true. Now i believe it's all smoke and mirrors but i found that interesting

Also you're mean:

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't discourage people from exercising, you asshat.

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Originally posted by juggerman
No dodge at all. I believe you know the difference. Divine power comes from God. Magic can come from just about any source depending on what one believes

So you believe in non-divine magic?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you believe in non-divine magic?

No. I don't believe in magic at all. I don't consider divine power(miracles and such) magic

Originally posted by juggerman
Also if you were about to be killed, throw to lions or crucfied to be exact, i'm pretty sure you would admit to a lie. None did

Do you believe it is possible for a person to hold a belief that is not true?

Originally posted by juggerman
No. I don't believe in magic at all. I don't consider divine power(miracles and such) magic

Why don't you believe in magic?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Do you believe it is possible for a person to hold a belief that is not true?

Why don't you believe in magic?

Yes i do. But these guys were the ones who claimed to have witnessed these miracles. If they were indeed lying i believe at least one of them would have come forward to save his own life.

I personally have no reason to. I've never seen or experienced magic to my knowledge and have not heard or seen anything that gives me the idea that it might be real. Granted i'm not saying it does not or cannot exist, just that i don't believe it.

The exact same thing can be said about Christianity. There's no difference.