Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by darkfan76
The fact that God knows what is going to happen, what decisions are we going to make, doesn't mean he causes, or "programs" our decisions, or us.

He respects our free will above all things. And he wants to freely love and obbey him.

The free will given to us by God is one of our greatest gift. God respect our free will so much, than he even allows us to deny him. He didn't create robots to be programmed to obbey and love him. He wanted human beings capable of making their own decisions even if the make the wrong ones.

You say that God allows us to deny him, yet doesnt that send s straight to hell? Its seems as God lets us have free will, but only as long as its his will

If you look at it this way even before he created the Earth and man he already knew what each and every man, woman and child will go to heaven and which will go to Hell even before they were ever born or created. For him it would be like reading a movie script, he knew before it was made what every person would say and that is what he would base his punishment and reward. He told Adam not to eat the fruit knowing that he would and bring sin into the world.

Originally posted by darkfan76
The fact that God knows what is going to happen, what decisions are we going to make, doesn't mean he causes, or "programs" our decisions, or us.

For foreknowledge to be possible, actions must be fixed. God has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have issues. I asked you a pertinent question, point-blank, and in reference to our discussion and your intelligent response is that I am trying to trap you? Dude you are paranoid about nothing.

Anyhoo, I rest my case. That is all I wanted Robtard to do. Adam and Eve [B]did have a free will. [/B]

And Robtard (along with many others) did prove it to you, you simply bury your head in the sand when a fact doesn't flow with your faith.

Repeat: They couldn't have had free will if God already knew what they would do before they did it; they only had one path they could have taken, that is NOT free will.

Adam POE sums it up short and to the point:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
For foreknowledge to be possible, actions must be fixed. God has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Crimson Phoenix
You say that God allows us to deny him, yet doesnt that send s straight to hell? Its seems as God lets us have free will, but only as long as its his will

jajaja, God doesn't "send us" to hell. We choose to live in hell, that's staying away from God, away from true happiness that comes from his love. He respect our decision to live in hell. You see, that's free will.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
If you look at it this way even before he created the Earth and man he already knew what each and every man, woman and child will go to heaven and which will go to Hell even before they were ever born or created. For him it would be like reading a movie script, he knew before it was made what every person would say and that is what he would base his punishment and reward. He told Adam not to eat the fruit knowing that he would and bring sin into the world.

You see, that's the better sign of God's love. He knows everything, He even knew many people would reject him, and choose sin, choose pride, choose idols, choose their egocentrism instead of the path of love, but he also knew that many people will freely accept to go to him, through the path of truth and love, and he has reveal himself to mankind through history, calling men to him, regardless that he knows what is going to happen. Knowing that something is going to happen, doesn't mean He programmed it to happen, and that you are not responsible for the decisions you make.

Originally posted by darkfan76
jajaja, God doesn't "send us" to hell. We choose to live in hell, that's staying away from God, away from true happiness that comes from his love. He respect our decision to live in hell. You see, that's free will.

Originally posted by darkfan76
You see, that's the better sign of God's love. He knows everything, He even knew many people would reject him, and choose sin, choose pride, choose idols, choose their egocentrism instead of the path of love, but he also knew that many people will freely accept to go to him, through the path of truth and love, and he has reveal himself to mankind through history, calling men to him, regardless that he knows what is going to happen. Knowing that something is going to happen, doesn't mean He programmed it to happen, and that you are not responsible for the decisions you make.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
That would imply that he would create something that he has no control over, since he was supposed to create everything down to the smallest particle and how they interact and how we think and process information. So he, by your logic would create us knowing that over 75% of his creations would be going to Hell and suffer for all eternity? Sounds like a loving God to me.

Where did you get your Stats? From hell classified files? 😆

You are assuming things.

He created everything in armony: You can see it in the nature, at atomic level, in the universe. Human being is different because we are intelligent and we are capable of making decisions (even the wrong ones), we are capable of love and hate. In fact we are the only creature (besides the angels) capable of this, and God put us above the creation. Not to abuse of it, but to manage it for his glory.

God makes human to share his love. Some humans made the decision to live away from this love. They have decided to make their particular hell. God respects that decision. Hell is living without God's love. Images of fire, punishment, torture are used to describe it, but hell is not more than the result of our free decision to have our lives away from love, from the real happiness that comes from God, and that he offers to all of us.

He is not a loving God. He is Love itself.

Originally posted by darkfan76
Where did you get your Stats? From hell classified files? 😆

You are assuming things.

He created everything in armony: You can see it in the nature, at atomic level, in the universe. Human being is different because we are intelligent and we are capable of making decisions (even the wrong ones), we are capable of love and hate. In fact we are the only creature (besides the angels) capable of this, and God put us above the creation. Not to abuse of it, but to manage it for his glory.

God makes human to share his love. Some humans made the decision to live away from this love. They have decided to make their particular hell. God respects that decision. Hell is living without God's love. Images of fire, punishment, torture are used to describe it, but hell is not more than the result of our free decision to have our lives away from love, from the real happiness that comes from God, and that he offers to all of us.

He is not a loving God. He is Love itself.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
Well, there are about 2 billions Christians in the world and over 6 billion people so that would leave 75% of the population that doesn’t believe in the Christian god, hence 75% of the population is going to Hell. The rest of your post has no meaning to what I said, he created us knowing that 75% of the population is going to Hell sounds like love to me.

Ja,ja,ja Where did you hear that Heaven is for Christians only, and No-Christians go automatically to Hell?

Yes, I know that there are some fundamentalist Christian, who take some conveniente texts in the Bible to point out some people and send them straight to hell, but that has not been the Christian Belief from the 1st century to 21st century.

God is mercyfull and wants all of us to be in Heaven. Christians knowing the true revelation of God, will be more severely judged that the ones that had never heard of Christ, and yes Christian can go to hell too, and non-christians can go to heaven. The Bible says so.

Originally posted by darkfan76
Ja,ja,ja Where did you hear that Heaven is for Christians only, and No-Christians go automatically to Hell?

Yes, I know that there are some fundamentalist Christian, who take some conveniente texts in the Bible to point out some people and send them straight to hell, but that has not been the Christian Belief from the 1st century to 21st century.

God is mercyfull and wants all of us to be in Heaven. Christians knowing the true revelation of God, will be more severely judged that the ones that had never heard of Christ, and yes Christian can go to hell too, and non-christians can go to heaven. The Bible says so.

True.

Originally posted by darkfan76
Where did you get your Stats? From hell classified files? 😆

You are assuming things.

He created everything in armony: You can see it in the nature, at atomic level, in the universe. Human being is different because we are intelligent and we are capable of making decisions (even the wrong ones), we are capable of love and hate. In fact we are the only creature (besides the angels) capable of this, and God put us above the creation. Not to abuse of it, but to manage it for his glory.

God makes human to share his love. Some humans made the decision to live away from this love. They have decided to make their particular hell. God respects that decision. Hell is living without God's love. Images of fire, punishment, torture are used to describe it, but hell is not more than the result of our free decision to have our lives away from love, from the real happiness that comes from God, and that he offers to all of us.

He is not a loving God. He is Love itself.

True.

Originally posted by darkfan76
Ja,ja,ja Where did you hear that Heaven is for Christians only, and No-Christians go automatically to Hell?

Yes, I know that there are some fundamentalist Christian, who take some conveniente texts in the Bible to point out some people and send them straight to hell, but that has not been the Christian Belief from the 1st century to 21st century.

God is mercyfull and wants all of us to be in Heaven. Christians knowing the true revelation of God, will be more severely judged that the ones that had never heard of Christ, and yes Christian can go to hell too, and non-christians can go to heaven. The Bible says so.

Originally posted by darkfan76
You see, that's the better sign of God's love. He knows everything, He even knew many people would reject him, and choose sin, choose pride, choose idols, choose their egocentrism instead of the path of love, but he also knew that many people will freely accept to go to him, through the path of truth and love, and he has reveal himself to mankind through history, calling men to him, regardless that he knows what is going to happen. Knowing that something is going to happen, doesn't mean He programmed it to happen, and that you are not responsible for the decisions you make.

True. Thank you brother for confirming what I have been saying about free will.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
True.

Originally posted by darkfan76
jajaja, God doesn't "send us" to hell. We choose to live in hell, that's staying away from God, away from true happiness that comes from his love. He respect our decision to live in hell. You see, that's free will.

True. Thanks for confirming what I have labored to show.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
True. Thanks for confirming what I have labored to show.

Originally posted by PITT_HAPPENS
If you look at it this way even before he created the Earth and man he already knew what each and every man, woman and child will go to heaven and which will go to Hell even before they were ever born or created. For him it would be like reading a movie script, he knew before it was made what every person would say and that is what he would base his punishment and reward. He told Adam not to eat the fruit knowing that he would and bring sin into the world.

So. The tradeoff is that God has a group that loves Him voluntarily. If God made all of us automatons no one would be capable of loving Him willingly. God had to create knowing that there would be many who would reject Him, but there are still many who do love Him and that made it all worthwhile. (Sorry Heavenly Father for putting words in Your mouth, but I think I have Your heart on this delicate subject.)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So. The tradeoff is that God has a group that loves Him voluntarily. If God made all of us automatons no one would be capable of loving Him willingly. God had to create knowing that there would be many who would reject Him, but there are still many who do love Him and that made it all worthwhile. (Sorry Heavenly Father for putting words in Your mouth, but I think I have Your heart on this delicate subject.)