Originally posted by Galan007
Nah.
a.) What Franklin can do now is not indicative of what he could do 10 years ago (when the Abraxas arc was released.)
b.) I don't think I've ever seen someone say that a single alternate Celestial is anywhere near Abraxas' level of power. Therefore Franklin preforming well against one doesn't mean much in respect to Abraxas.😉
Originally posted by leonidas
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You realize that even 10 years ago he was a monster power wise yes? He was creating pocket universes, annihilating demon lords in their own realms (something Galactus himself couldn't do), and bringing himself back from the dead and draining power from the Phoenix Avatar without her permission, etc...
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Even if he's the same I wonder how Franklin supporters feel about all of Franklin's power and then some being used so Galactus could win the dayFranklin's powers are only good to summon a more powerful being according to that arc
The only reason Galactus was needed was to pull the UN from Abraxas' hands because of his special relations hip to it. Since that incident we've seen Galactus flee Earth in order to avoid a confrontation with Franklin. But these upcoming issues will settle the matter once and for all I guess.
Originally posted by zopzopAnd you think Franklin knew this? Hell no. He isn't omniscient :/. The only reason Frank/Val resurrected Galactus was because they saw him as the best hope in that situation.
The only reason Galactus was needed was to pull the UN from Abraxas' hands because of his special relations hip to it.
Either way, trying to apply Franklin's current levels, to him as he was portrayed 10 years ago is... Horribly faulty.
Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that even 10 years ago he was a monster power wise yes? He was creating pocket universes, annihilating demon lords in their own realms (something Galactus himself couldn't do), and bringing himself back from the dead and draining power from the Phoenix Avatar without her permission, etc...
how many universes did he create in that arc again....? he was shown to be the scared little boy he is often shown to be. abraxas striking fear into him=meaningless. now that i think of it, didn't onslaught do the exact same thing?
Originally posted by Galan007
And you think Franklin knew this? Hell no. He isn't omniscient :/. The only reason Frank/Val resurrected Galactus was because they saw him as the best hope in that situation.Either way, trying to apply Franklin's current levels, to him as he was portrayed 10 years ago is... Horribly faulty.
Even 10 years ago he did something Galactus himsefl couldn't do. He destroyed Mephisto in his own hell. Galactus had to resort to eating hell to end that fight. Franklin straight up blasted him into pieces.
Franklin knows of the Nullifier and that it's Galactus' main weapon (as early as Silver Surfer 18, 20+ years ago). Since there was nothing anyone there could do to stop Abraxas, he gambled on Galactus. And it worked. Galactus' connection to the UN allowed him to snatch it from Abraxas' hands.
Originally posted by leonidas
how many universes did he create in that arc again....? he was shown to be the scared little boy he is often shown to be. abraxas striking fear into him=meaningless. now that i think of it, didn't onslaught do the exact same thing?
Did he? I remember Onslaught doing his best to convince Franklin to join with him.
Originally posted by zopzopIssue #?
Even 10 years ago he did something Galactus himsefl couldn't do. He destroyed Mephisto in his own hell.
The fact that Mephisto is still alive and well makes me question your retelling of this event.
Originally posted by zopzopTHEY, not just "he" (it was a shared feat, remember) gambled on Galactus because they felt he'd be their best bet in that situation. However, Frank certainly did not know of Galactus' special connection to the UN, which allowed him to recall it from Abraxas. No way.
he gambled on Galactus. And it worked. Galactus' connection to the UN allowed him to snatch it from Abraxas' hands.
Originally posted by Galan007
Issue #?The fact that Mephisto is still alive and well makes me question your retelling of this event.
Oh but he did! Blew him apart and he was fractured into 5 or 6 different pieces and needed to use the human "Master Pandemonium" to put himself back together. He FUGGED him up with ONE blast. But it was explained that Mephisto like other demons, simply reform over time as long as there's evil in the world or something. But Franklin wtfpwned Mephisto so badly he needed his pawn, Master Pandemonium, to put himself back together!
THEY, not just "he" (it was a shared feat, remember) gambled on Galactus because they felt he'd be their best bet in that situation. However, Frank certainly did not know of Galactus' special connection to the UN, which allowed him to recall it from Abraxas. No way.
They were also trained for this day by Roma (she knew it would come). I'll get the scans. Need to dig them out.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Making up character motives aside, the Galactus fight is Mephisto's best feat by a good degreeAlso Mephisto has shown to regenerate from an anti-matter blast from the invincible Doom. For some really odd reason he stayed down from Franklin...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think Mephisto has been "destroyed" several times. But he comes back so long as there's evil alive in the world or some crap.Still, I think Franklin may be getting a bit too much credit here.
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Annihilated by Franklin. This was an AMPED Mephisto (some evil planet was approaching Earth) in his own realm. I'm trying to find my West Coast Avengers issue that shows just how much Franklin wtfpwned Mephisto (he needed Master Pandemonium to help him fully reform). Never was Mephisto destroyed like this, ever. Unless I'm missing something.
Originally posted by guy222
indeedand ashema who is returning brought franklin back to life
So what? I'm sure, in time, he will gain the ability to resurrect himself as well. Like I said before, he's an anomaly of sorts. A celestial even said as much in FF# 13. Franklin has not yet evolved beyond his human shell, but he clearly has the capacity to do so; although, he likely has no wish to. "Rest and remember what you are." He wants to be a normal boy, but he clearly isn't.
Originally posted by zopzop
Never was Mephisto destroyed like this, ever. Unless I'm missing something.
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Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that even 10 years ago he was a monster power wise yes? He was creating pocket universes, annihilating demon lords in their own realms (something Galactus himself couldn't do), and bringing himself back from the dead and draining power from the Phoenix Avatar without her permission, etc...The only reason Galactus was needed was to pull the UN from Abraxas' hands because of his special relations hip to it. Since that incident we've seen Galactus flee Earth in order to avoid a confrontation with Franklin. But these upcoming issues will settle the matter once and for all I guess.
Well said.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
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Nope. I saw those scans before on comicvine. Nowhere near the same thing. An amped Mephisto was brought to his knees and smoldering in his own realm by Franklin. Then after Franklin takes care of the amp (moving the planet out of Earth's vicinity WHILE he's in Mephisto's realm meaning they weren't even on the same plane of existence), he one shots Mephisto so bad, his spirit is shattered into 6 pieces and he cant' reform himself without the aid of his pawn Master Pandemonium.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think Mephisto has been "destroyed" several times. But he comes back so long as there's evil alive in the world or some crap.Still, I think Franklin may be getting a bit too much credit here.
Franklin destroyed Mephisto in their first encounter. Mephisto actually tried to pull himself back together during the fight by tapping into the very same evil you make mention of, but Franklin prevented him from doing so. After Franklin left, however, Mephisto was again able to restore himself -- but not in Franklin's presence.
In their second encounter, he scared the living hell (no pun intended) out of Mephisto. Here's a direct quote from Mephisto:
"All those who call themselves human fear my touch... BUT NOT THIS CHILD.. NOT THIS ACCURSED CHILD... Begone then.. I can countenance no more."
If interested, here are the issues..
Fantastic Four, vol 1, issue 277 — "Back From Beyond"
Fantastic Four Annual #20
And you know what? He actually isn't getting enough credit in my opinion.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Franklin was in his astral form at the time, which was explained that he had no mental blocks. He was pretty much full potential.It still doesn't make sense though, since Mephisto should have just regenerated.
He tried. Franklin simply didn't let him. Reality is what he makes it. As Terry Kavanaugh put it, Frankie bends the limits and laws of time and space.
