Kazuya Mishima vs Team Ninja

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StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Remulous
You forget, they were not children and they were trained in the way of the ninja, ninjas can do that type of stuff. Kaz is no ninja, jumping from building isn't as easy for him not to mention at that time Kaz wasn't even skilled in martial arts.

The ninja training allows them to teleport and use ninpo.

Yes, Kazuya was a child. However, since then he has never shown the same amount of durability as he did then. I doubt he would have survived were it not for devil.

Keep in mind, I am just explaining why his durability is debatable. Kazuya has the strength advantage. The skill level among Kazuya and the ninja is equal. Every other combat advantage goes to the ninja. Kazuya really is fighting from a lower ground.

I also find it peculiar that you believe Kazuya will lose to Hayabusa but not to the others. You do realize that Hayabusa was the weakest ninja in DOA3 right?

The DOA3 ninja hierarchy was
1.Ayane
2.Kasumi
3.Hayate
4.Hayabusa

Originally posted by Sado22
well kazy raped Raven up pretty good even though:
-raven has teleportation moves
-has weapons
-is really fast and powerful
so why not these people?

~Sado


While I understand your reasoning for using Raven, you must understand why he would get soundly defeated by the DOA ninja. Raven's greatest feat is slicing a Jack robot. His teleports are very slow and don't afford him the level of defense the teleportation of the DOA cast does. He lacks ninja magic. He lacks the durability to replicate any of the feats of the DOA ninja I mentioned in my last post. He is quick, but not qick enough to take Kazuya. He also requires the aid of modern technology to even complete missions, yet he still loses.

Raven was one of Kazuya's easier opponents honestly.

Superboy Prime Fanboy
Originally posted by Remulous
You forget, they were not children and they were trained in the way of the ninja, ninjas can do that type of stuff. Kaz is no ninja, jumping from building isn't as easy for him not to mention at that time Kaz wasn't even skilled in martial arts.

Kazuya was skilled in martial arts as a kid. Jinpachi trained him. Heihachi continously tested him. What Kazuya lacked, in Heihachi's eyes, was a cold heart. Kazuya was actually a nice kid, and Heihachi believed that to be a weakness. That is why he threw him off the cliff, and forever scarred Kazuya.

True the Ninjas weren't children, but neither was Heihachi when Kazuya threw him down the cliff, and even Heihachi took his while climbing back up. Besides the ninjas can be seen jumping like mad men when they were children in DOA2U's CGI intro.

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Originally posted by StyleTime

While I understand your reasoning for using Raven, you must understand why he would get soundly defeated by the DOA ninja. Raven's greatest feat is slicing a Jack robot. His teleports are very slow and don't afford him the level of defense the teleportation of the DOA cast does. He lacks ninja magic. He lacks the durability to replicate any of the feats of the DOA ninja I mentioned in my last post. He is quick, but not qick enough to take Kazuya. He also requires the aid of modern technology to even complete missions, yet he still loses.

Raven was one of Kazuya's easier opponents honestly.

I agree. I was about to tell him the DOA ninjas are on a whole other league when compared to Raven.

BTW what do you believe the ninja hierarchy to be as of DOA4?

I see why you say Hayabusa was the weakest ninja as of DOA3, but to be honest I think they're pretty much even with only their drive to win/accomplish whatever mission per DOA making the difference.

DOA - Kasumi's lust for revenge.
DOA2 - Hayabusa's oath to fight evil and keep his word protecting Kasumi.
DOA3 - Ayane's determination to put her foster father out of his misery.
DOA4 - They are pretty much even here, with Hayate & Hayabusa being leaders since they are no longer fighting among themselves.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by StyleTime
Durability is debatable.

Is it really debatable when he survived being thrown of a cliff as a child?no2

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Originally posted by StyleTime
The ninja training allows them to teleport and use ninpo.

Yes, Kazuya was a child. However, since then he has never shown the same amount of durability as he did then. I doubt he would have survived were it not for devil.

Why would we assume kazuya lost durability as he matured And, Kazuya is still possessed by the devil last I check. So, if the devil was responsible for that than we can safely assume that his durability has remained the same at the very least.

Originally posted by StyleTime

I also find it peculiar that you believe Kazuya will lose to Hayabusa but not to the others. You do realize that Hayabusa was the weakest ninja in DOA3 right?

The DOA3 ninja hierarchy was
1.Ayane
2.Kasumi
3.Hayate
4.Hayabusa

How is Hayate stronger than Hayabusa in DOA3 YouTube video

Hayabusa wants to know as well

Sado22 Restricted

style time,
i have already admitted my ignorance regarding DOA before. the only reason i brought up Raven was because people were insisting that he hasn't fought a ninja before.
I actually don't know the story of DOA too much and all I know about Kasumi and Ayane is that Ayane has a bigger bust🙁

If people here seem to agree that Raven is a cupcake infront of them then I guess that's that.

~Sado

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
BTW what do you believe the ninja hierarchy to be as of DOA4?

I see why you say Hayabusa was the weakest ninja as of DOA3, but to be honest I think they're pretty much even with only their drive to win/accomplish whatever mission per DOA making the difference.

DOA - Kasumi's lust for revenge.
DOA2 - Hayabusa's oath to fight evil and keep his word protecting Kasumi.
DOA3 - Ayane's determination to put her foster father out of his misery.
DOA4 - They are pretty much even here, with Hayate & Hayabusa being leaders since they are no longer fighting among themselves.


Yes, I've always maintained that the DOA ninja are roughly equal. Whoever wins has always been the one with the most desire to win.

As for the DOA4 hierarchy, I am honestly torn about it lol. They all pulled off some crazy stuff in DOA4. However, I think Kasumi may edge out the others slightly due to Alpha-152. Hayate is at the bottom mostly because he didn't do as much. Either way, the gap between any of them isn't large at all.

My tentative list for DOA4(ninja only) right now is

1.Kasumi
2.Ayane or Hayabusa
3.Hayabusa or Ayane
4.Hayate

This list is highly subject to change until DOA5 because everyone was so incredible in DOA4. Plus we need to see who won between Ayane and Kasumi. I'm thinking Kasumi won right now though.

It's so wierd since DOA4. DOA has always had a clear cut hierarchy for each game, but DOA4 was just blew all of that out of the water. I honestly think that DOA4 will be regarded as a landmark in DOA in the future.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Sado22
style time,
i have already admitted my ignorance regarding DOA before. the only reason i brought up Raven was because people were insisting that he hasn't fought a ninja before.
I actually don't know the story of DOA too much and all I know about Kasumi and Ayane is that Ayane has a bigger bust🙁

If people here seem to agree that Raven is a cupcake infront of them then I guess that's that.

~Sado


It's cool man. I think using Raven is a fine defense as it is the only character Kazuya fought who can approach the unique powersets of the DOA ninja. Your argument was actually quite logical. It's just that Raven is too weak.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Is it really debatable when he survived being thrown of a cliff as a child?no2

Yes it is. Kazuya barely clung to life. The DOA ninja fall from comparable heights utterly unharmed. I'm not saying they are more durable. I'm saying that Kazuya isn't more durable. With the possible exclusion of Ayane, Kazuya and the ninja share similar durability.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why would we assume kazuya lost durability as he matured And, Kazuya is still possessed by the devil last I check. So, if the devil was responsible for that than we can safely assume that his durability has remained the same at the very least.

I'll concede to that point
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why would we assume kazuya lost durability as he matured And, Kazuya is still possessed by the devil last I check. So, if the devil was responsible for that than we can safely assume that his durability has remained the same at the very least.

How is Hayate stronger than Hayabusa in DOA3
[B]Hayabusa wants to know as well [/B]


The video didn't work but I'm assuming it's Hayabusa's dialogue with Hayate on the rooftop.

Emperor Ashtar, Hayate beat Hayabusa in that very same match. You know this already.

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uhh.........yeah 😕

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Hayate beat hayabusa, since when?

StyleTime Senior Member

He beat Hayabusa then proceeded to lose to Ayane in DOA3.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

The DOA guys are ninjas, ninjas can jump from 100ft cliffs and all that.
Karate like fighters, not so much.
Also, who has Hayabusa lost to in do?

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon
Originally posted by StyleTime
He beat Hayabusa then proceeded to lose to Ayane in DOA3.

You got a source for that?

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Ayane won the DOA3 in official canon.

Ayane fought Hayate before Genra.

Hayate fought Hayabusa before he encountered Ayane.

It's acceptable that Hayabusa lost to Hayate.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Impossible, Hayabusa knew that fighting Genra was for Ayane to do so he dropped out of the tournament.
Just because he met Hayate doesn't mean they necessarily fought, this may sound crazy but they could've just stopped and talked.

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Could be. But it's not out of the line to think he may have lost to Hayate. It's not like Hayate is a wheelchair bound kid with down syndrome.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Yeah, but Hayabusa has been training diligently, Hayate has just gone back to the way of the ninja in the previous game.
It wouldn't be right for him to defeat Haybusa as soon as he becomes a ninja again.

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Things don't always go the way we want them to. If that were the case then I would have Hayabusa cut loose with the DS and wtfown everyone in the DOA universe, just because he can.

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

From what I heard, Hayate fought Ayane was something seperate from the tourney which is why I asked for a source.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You got a source for that?

Dead or Alive 3 is the source for that.
Originally posted by Remulous
Yeah, but Hayabusa has been training diligently, Hayate has just gone back to the way of the ninja in the previous game.
It wouldn't be right for him to defeat Haybusa as soon as he becomes a ninja again.

Yes it would. All of Hayate's memories came flooding back. He remembered his training as well. Also, it's not as if Hayate beat him that very next day. Hayate was still also training while he was Ein. It's not like he just sat around all day doing nothing.
Originally posted by Remulous
Impossible, Hayabusa knew that fighting Genra was for Ayane to do so he dropped out of the tournament.
Just because he met Hayate doesn't mean they necessarily fought, this may sound crazy but they could've just stopped and talked.

No. Hayabusa actively participated in the tournament like he has in every single other Dead or Alive tournament. He got arrogant and lost.