Originally posted by StyleTime
Dead or Alive 3 is the source for that.No. Hayabusa actively participated in the tournament like he has in every single other Dead or Alive tournament. He got arrogant and lost.
Right after that cutscene hayabusa fights Genra,so, it does not confirm what you said. Nowhere in Doa 3 is there a cutscene illustrating hayate defeating hayabusa.
Originally posted by RemulousLMAO
The DOA guys are ninjas, ninjas can jump from 100ft cliffs and all that.
Karate like fighters, not so much.
Also, who has Hayabusa lost to in do?
Hayate also knows karate.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThe cutscene between Ayane and Hayate tells us they were at the semi-finals. Ayane was the one who defeated Genra so that means she defeated Hayate. This was after Hayate's encounter with Hayabusa. Had Hayate lost, he would've been out of the tournament and not have encountered Ayane. So, that means Hayabusa lost to Hayate, though, as a result of being arrogant.
Right after that cutscene hayabusa fights Genra,so, it does not confirm what you said. Nowhere in Doa 3 is there a cutscene illustrating hayate defeating hayabusa.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Right after that cutscene hayabusa fights Genra,so, it does not confirm what you said. Nowhere in Doa 3 is there a cutscene illustrating hayate defeating hayabusa.
There was no cutscene showing the defeat after Ayane beat Kasumi or Hayate, or after Hayate beat Hitomi, or after Hayabusa beat Jann Lee,or after Zack beat Gen Fu either, but it happened.
Originally posted by Remulous
The DOA guys are ninjas, ninjas can jump from 100ft cliffs and all that.
Karate like fighters, not so much.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Things don't always go the way we want them to. If that were the case then I would have Hayabusa cut loose with the DS and wtfown everyone in the DOA universe, just because he can.
Although, if Hayabusa did that, I bet everyone would get an upgrade so the game wouldn't become Dead or Hayabusa.
Originally posted by Xenogears
The cutscene between Ayane and Hayate tells us they were at the semi-finals. Ayane was the one who defeated Genra so that means she defeated Hayate. This was after Hayate's encounter with Hayabusa. Had Hayate lost, he would've been out of the tournament and not have encountered Ayane. So, that means Hayabusa lost to Hayate, though, as a result of being arrogant.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarHayate proceeded to pursue Genra after defeating Hayabusa. Ayane confronted Hayate at the last minute. Hayate refused to let Ayane do what she wished so they battled, and Ayane won. Ayane killed Genra as we know since her ending shows Genra's corpse in front of her.
Well, listen to the dialogue with him and Hayabusa. He says something along the lines of "It's only me and you left".Indicating they were on the finals.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Good point. However, Hayate proceeded to pursue Genra after defeating Hayabusa.
Where is the source for that because I cannot honestly take conjecture as evidence, no offense since the dialogue indicates that hayate fought hayabusa in the finals and right after (I'm saying right after because hayabusa remained in the same stage) fought Omega.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Ayane confronted Hayate at the last minute. Hayate refused to let Ayane do what she wished so they battled, and Ayane won. Ayane killed Genra as we know since her ending shows Genra's corpse in front of her.
I know ayane is the on who defeated Genra for sure, but Hayate defeating Hayabusa isn't really supported. I've heard that their fight took place outside the tourney. This is very much possible since many fights have nothing to do with the tourney I.E. Tengu.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat fight was part of the tournament and was the fight before the second to last fight, which was between Ayane and Hayate. Hayate's statement points out that the fight was part of the tournament. The fight between Hayate and Hayabusa was supposed to be the second to last fight. Like I said, Ayane showed up at the last minute before Hayate proceeded to battle Genra. She probably was not even supposed to fight Hayate. The scene after Ayane defeats Hayate explains that Genra could not have been where Hayabusa and Hayate fought, so Hayabusa did not win. Bankotsu has nothing to do with the DOA2 tournament. Omega has everything to do with the DOA3 tournament. The tournaments are run by DOATEC. DOATEC created Omega, and Ayane participated in the tournament in order to kill Omega.
Where is the source for that because I cannot honestly take conjecture as evidence, no offense since the dialogue indicates that hayate fought hayabusa in the finals and right after (I'm saying right after because hayabusa remained in the same stage) fought Omega. I know ayane is the on who defeated Genra for sure, but Hayate defeating Hayabusa isn't really supported. I've heard that their fight took place outside the tourney. This is very much possible since many fights have nothing to do with the tourney I.E. Tengu.
Originally posted by Xenogears
That fight was part of the tournament and was the fight before the second to last fight, which was between Ayane and Hayate. Hayate's statement points out that the fight was part of the tournament. The fight between Hayate and Hayabusa was supposed to be the second to last fight. Like I said, Ayane showed up at the last minute before Hayate proceeded to battle Genra. She probably was not even supposed to fight Hayate. The scene after Ayane defeats Hayate explains that Genra could not have been where Hayabusa and Hayate fought, so Hayabusa did not win. Bankotsu has nothing to do with the DOA2 tournament. Omega has everything to do with the DOA3 tournament. The tournaments are run by DOATEC. DOATEC created Omega, and Ayane participated in the tournament in order to kill Omega.
But, that doesn't make any sense at all. Look at the stage where Hayabusa was fightng Hayate. Now look at the stage where Ayane was fighitng Hayate. Now which one looks like th final stage where ayane fights genra?
Infact, it's not even the same time of day.
So, far the hayabusa vs hayate fight has:
-Same stage as genra's
-dialogue indicating that it's the finals
I just don't see hayate beating hayabusa. Neither does hayabusa apprently.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIt does actually. Like I said, the final stage is not where Hayabusa and Hayate fought, obviously, since Omega never was there.
But, that doesn't make any sense at all. Look at the stage where Hayabusa was fightng Hayate. Now look at the stage where Ayane was fighitng Hayate. Now which one looks like th final stage where ayane fights genra?Infact, it's not even the same time of day.
Time of day is irrelevant:YouTube video
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarIndicating that it was supposed to be the finals, as I mentioned in my last post. Ayane battling Hayate prior to killing Omega explains it wasn't.
So, far the hayabusa vs hayate fight has:-dialogue indicating that it's the finals
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarGenra's stage is the snow stage canonically.
-Same stage as genra's
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarWhich is probably why he lost.
I just don't see hayate beating hayabusa. Neither does hayabusa apprently.
Originally posted by Xenogears
It does actually. Like I said, the final stage is not where Hayabusa and Hayate fought, obviously, since Omega never was there.
Dude, look at the stage that Genra is in and compare it to the Azuchi Castle where hayabusa fought hayate. They are exactly the same, infact look at the first vid I posted. Notice that when you fight genra, it's on the remains of Azuchi Castle.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Indicating that it was supposed to be the finals, as I mentioned in my last post. Ayane battling Hayate prior to killing Omega says it wasn't.Which is probably why he lost.
-Not even the right stage
-The dialogue doesn't indicate that hayate and ayane are in the finals
-Hayabusa Vs Hayate's dialogue indicates they are in the finals
Originally posted by Xenogears
Genra's stage is the snow stage canonically.
You got a source for that, nevermind that the snow stage isn't even shown in Ayanes ending.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar-Don't tell me the cutscene where Ayane meets Genra in the snow stage didn't happen. Also, notice how Genra completely changes the environment. The changed environment is what is shown in Ayane's ending.
Dude, look at the stage that Genra is in and compare it to the Azuchi Castle where hayabusa fought hayate. They are exactly the same, infact look at the first vid I posted. Notice that when you fight genra, it's on the remains of Azuchi Castle.-Not even the right stage
-The dialogue doesn't indicate that hayate and ayane are in the finals
-Hayabusa Vs Hayate's dialogue indicates they are in the finalsYou got a source for that, nevermind that the snow stage isn't even shown in Ayanes ending.
-The last cutscene before Ayane's ending explains where the last fight took place and how the environment was changed by Genra. For the third time, Hayabusa and Hayate were in the finals, but Ayane showed up at the last minute before Hayate confronted Omega which was in the snow stage. The scene where Ayane meets Omega proves this.
-It was shown in the cutscene before the ending, which is canon btw.
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Don't tell me the cutscene where Ayane meets Genra in the snow stage didn't happen. Also, notice how Genra completely changes the environment. The changed environment is what is shown in Ayane's ending.
-Genra can change the enviorment based on what, where's your source for all these claims?
-Actually, look at the video's Xeno, especially the one featuring the genra boss fight. See the remains of the castle scattered all over the area. Unless you can offer some proof to your "Genra changing the enviorment, and leaving debris of Azuchi Castle" theory, it will remain as unbased conjecture.
Originally posted by Xenogears
-The last cutscene before Ayane's ending explains where the last fight took place and how the environment was changed by Genra.
Originally posted by Xenogears
For the third time, Hayabusa and Hayate were in the finals, but Ayane showed up at the last minute before Hayate confronted Omega which was in the snow stage. The scene where Ayane meets Omega proves this.
So, Ayane randomly showed up during the Hayate's fight, magicaly altered the weather and time, then genra changed it back? 😕
Originally posted by Xenogears
-It was shown in the cutscene before the ending, which is canon btw.
Prove it
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, that doesn't make any sense at all. Look at the stage where Hayabusa was fightng Hayate. Now look at the stage where Ayane was fighitng Hayate. Now which one looks like th final stage where ayane fights genra?Infact, it's not even the same time of day.
So, far the hayabusa vs hayate fight has:
-Same stage as genra's
-dialogue indicating that it's the finalsI just don't see hayate beating hayabusa. Neither does hayabusa apprently.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
On a lighter note, it kind of feels good to be talking about the best DOA game ever: Doa 3
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, that doesn't make any sense at all. Look at the stage where Hayabusa was fightng Hayate. Now look at the stage where Ayane was fighitng Hayate. Now which one looks like th final stage where ayane fights genra?Infact, it's not even the same time of day.
So, far the hayabusa vs hayate fight has:
-Same stage as genra's
-dialogue indicating that it's the finalsI just don't see hayate beating hayabusa. Neither does hayabusa apprently.
Hayabusa beat Kasumi in DOA2 during the nighttime yet fights Hayate in broad daylight. Ayane meets Hayate and Kasumi in the daytime in a canyon despite the fact that it's night in an urban area at the end of DOA4. Kasumi fights Radou in the daytime and Hayabusa at night in DOA1. Hitomi fights Hayate at a large mansion overlooking the ocean at night, yet fights Jann Lee in an Ice Cavern. Let's not even start on the whole "Magical Dinosaur Land" ordeal.
It's not unreasonable to say Itagaki doesn't quite consider stage continuity when he makes the games. I don't think we should include the stages as evidence for what takes place.
Hayabusa honestly just assumed it's only them left. He had no way of knowing if Ayane or Kasumi or anyother combatant was around since he hadn't encountered a lot of them. It could also be an error in translation. Also, everyone fights Genra in their last match. We generally exclude the cutscene after the participant has lost already.
This is really Itagaki's fault. He so worried about making the game look cool that forgets some continuity issues. He's also not the brightest bulb in the box.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Gameplay maybe and that's a big maybe. Storywise DOA4 own everything as it's the only to actually try and fully develop one.
Itagaki isn't really paying attention to the day when he makes the game.
Doa 4's gameplay is an: awful, poor, bastardized rendition of the Doa fighting enigine, but I digress, since I don't wanna de-rail this topic further. Story-wise is irrelevant, since Doa's plot is very poor. Itagaki needs to hire some writers and get over himself.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Hayabusa beat Kasumi in DOA2 during the nighttime yet fights Hayate in broad daylight. Ayane meets Hayate and Kasumi in the daytime in a canyon despite the fact that it's night in an urban area at the end of DOA4. Kasumi fights Radou in the daytime and Hayabusa at night in DOA1. Hitomi fights Hayate at a large mansion overlooking the ocean, yet fights Jann Lee in an Ice Cavern. Let's not even start on the whole "Magical Dinosaur Land" ordeal.
Again, offer a source, I'm not taking conjecture as evidence.
Also:
-Hayabusa encountered her at the bridge stage during the day, and the following cutscene remain consistent as per doa U which overides Doa 2
-And you are msiing the point, the stages do not chnge right before eye's like ayane's cutscene.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Hayabusa could honestly just assume it's only them left. He had no way of knowing if Ayane or Kasumi or anyother combatant was around since he hadn't encountered a lot of them. It could also be an error in translation. Also, everyone fights Genra in their last match. We generally exclude the cutscene after the participant has lost already.
Until than Kazuya could clear it if he rest, but dies if he doesn't.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Again, offer a source, I'm not taking conjecture as evidence.Also:
-Hayabusa encountered her at the bridge stage during the day, and the following cutscene remain consistent as per doa U which overides Doa 2
-And you are msiing the point, the stages do not chnge right before eye's like ayane's cutscene.
Again, offer a source, I'm not taking conjecture as evidence.There is no reason to belive that Hayate beat hayabusa until a source is offered and my points are refuted.
Until than Kazuya could clear it if he rest, but dies if he doesn't.
Actually, the moutain was just leveled. The castle could be on the other side of the mountain for all we know.
Even still if what you are saying were to be true. If Ayane defeated Omega at the castle, Hayate still had to beat Hayabusa. Had Hayabusa won, Hayabusa would have encountered Genra or even Ayane.
There is a reason. The only way Hayate could have fought Ayane is to bypass Hayabusa. By your own admission, Genra is defeated at the very same castle where Hayabusa and Hayate fought. If Hayabusa won, he would have fought Genra or Ayane.
Kazuya might beat Hayate. How does he get past the others? I still haven't had any of my points regarding that refuted either. Everyone just keeps bringing up Kazuya fighting Jacks, which the ninja could easily do, and falling off of a cliff. The cliff "feat" is another one the ninja could replicate. Kazuya has strength over them. That's it. How does he win?
I'm off to work. Be back on later tonight.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Are you serious? You own the games. Do you really want me to waste time looking around youtube to show the that stages are at night/day like I said?
I don't own Doa 2 anymore. . .
Originally posted by StyleTime
Actually, the moutain was just leveled. The castle could be on the other side of the mountain for all we know.
And, what happned to the Snow, Daylight, and weather?
Originally posted by StyleTime
Even still if what you are saying were to be true. If Ayane defeated Omega at the castle, Hayate still had to beat Hayabusa. Had Hayabusa won, Hayabusa would have encountered Genra or even Ayane.
Ayane could kill genra before 'Busa got the chance.
Originally posted by StyleTime
There is a reason. The only way Hayate could have fought Ayane is to bypass Hayabusa. By your own admission, Genra is defeated at the very same castle where Hayabusa and Hayate fought. If Hayabusa won, he would have fought Genra or Ayane.
Like I said before, Ayane could have taken him out during their bout.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar-Apparently you did not watch the video which is this one:YouTube video
-Genra can change the enviorment based on what, where's your source for all these claims?-Actually, look at the video's Xeno, especially the one featuring the genra boss fight. See the remains of the castle scattered all over the area. Unless you can offer some proof to your "Genra changing the enviorment, and leaving debris of Azuchi Castle" theory, it will remain as unbased conjecture.
No, it does, it doesn't say anyhting about the finals or this ability that you've given Genra.
So, Ayane randomly showed up during the Hayate's fight, magicaly altered the weather and time, then genra changed it back? 😕
Prove it
-It seems you don't realize the cutscene where Hayabusa sees Genra never happened, considering the scene where Ayane meets Genra in the snow stage did. In fact, Genra's stage doesn't necessarily have to be one stage. He can travel where he wants to. Also, where's your proof that the stage had remains of the castle? Never mind the scene where Ryu sees Genra isn't canon whereas the cutscene where Ayane meets Genra is.
-Genra changed his surroundings. Watch the video and you'd know at first the stage was during the day and was filled with snow, and then the stage was dark and burnt with a ring of fire as a boundary.
-Um, no. Ayane showed up before Hayate had a chance to fight Genra.
-Lol, you're telling me to prove a cutscene that happened in the game is canonical. lmfao
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Apparently you did not watch the video which is this one:YouTube video
I did watch the vid and nowhere did it say anything about them being in the semi-finals.
Originally posted by Xenogears
-It seems you don't realize the cutscene where Hayabusa sees Genra never happened, considering the scene where Ayane meets Genra in the snow stage did.
Originally posted by Xenogears
In fact, Genra's stage doesn't necessarily have to be one stage. He can travel where he wants to.
Not what I'm asking, how does: The snow magical vanish, The time of Day magically changes, And the piece's of debirs magically appear?
Originally posted by XenogearsAlso, where's your proof that the stage had remains of the castle?
Originally posted by Xenogears
Never mind the scene where Ryu sees Genra isn't canon whereas the cutscene where Ayane meets Genra is.
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Genra changed his surroundings. Watch the video and you'd know at first the stage was during the day and was filled with snow, and then the stage was dark and burnt with a ring of fire as a boundary.
Yet, the remains of the castle magically appear?
Originally posted by Xenogears
-Um, no. Ayane showed up before Hayate had a chance to fight Genra.
Because hayate was beaten
Originally posted by Xenogears✅-Lol, you're telling me to prove a cutscene that happened in the game is canonical. lmfao