Kazuya Mishima vs Team Ninja

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Ayane could kill genra before 'Busa got the chance.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Impossible. It's been retconned the scene where Ayane meets Genra in the snow stage happened right after Ayane defeated Hayate, which was in the snow stage. With that considered, Hayate's bout with Ryu happened prior to this. Had Hayate lost, he would not've confronted Ayane in the snow stage (where Genra was), and he did. Hayabusa would've done so considering he was willing to kill Genra from the start (Don't ask for proof of this. The fact that he participated in the tournament for that reason explains it).

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I did watch the vid and nowhere did it say anything about them being in the semi-finals.

Prove it, link me to a source supporting your claim.

Not what I'm asking, how does: The snow magical vanish, The time of Day magically changes, And the piece's of debirs magically appear?

-Despite the fact you can clearly see the debris in the boss fight
-Omega always destroys the castle before he fights, with the exception of ayane's stroy mode.
-The castle ground can be seen in ayane's ending

Prove it

Yet, the remains of the castle magically appear?

Because hayate was beaten

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
P-R-O-V-E I-T

Originally posted by Xenogears
Ayane defeated Genra, and she met Genra in the snow stage. Funny how you try to go against established facts.

If it's established then you can get me a source.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I don't own Doa 2 anymore. . .

And, what happned to the Snow, Daylight, and weather?

Ayane could kill genra before 'Busa got the chance.

Like I said before, Ayane could have taken him out during their bout.

It was large explosion. A dust cloud may be thrown up for the duration of the fight. Also, Itagaki may just be dumb.

I must say Emperor Ashtar I consider you one of the more sensible posters on this forum. I realize that you wouldn't bring something like this up if you didn't have reason to actually doubt it. However, you must understand why Hayabusa losing simply had to occur for the story to actually progress.

I ask you to bear with me as I go through this. As with any other DOA game, the character who defeated the boss has the canon storymode. For example, we know Hayabusa defeated Kasumi and Hayate in DOA2 because he had to before confronting Tengu. The story mode of any character who didn't make it to the boss are canonical up to the point of their defeat. Examples of this include: Gen Fu didn't win DOA3 because he lost to Zack; Ayane didn't fight Hayate in DOA2 because she lost to Kasumi; Kasumi didn't fight Hayate in DOA2 because she lost Hayabusa.

Now we all already acknowledged that Ayane defeated Genra. In true DOA fashion, she has the canon storymode. She faced Kasumi and Hayate prior to confronting her father. Obviously, Kasumi and Hayate were bodily present for their matches against their sister. Again in true DOA fashion, Kasumi's story ends after she lost to Ayane, so Kasumi never fought Hayate in DOA3. Hayate's story also ends after he lost to Ayane. Thusly, Hayate never encounters Genra. However, being that Hayate made it to Ayane, he beat Hayabusa. Hayabusa is Hayate's second bout and a defeat there would mean he wouldn't fight Ayane as is always true of DOA. Also, if Hayabusa did beat Hayate, he would encounter Genra as Hayabusa's story mode demonstrated. Ayane also couldn't defeat Genra during Hayate vs Hayabusa because she fought Hayate herself before Genra.

Emperor Ashtar, your points did make me think a little. I understood your doubt and I even went and played through storymode on several different DOA games to try and apply what you said. Despite my efforts, I keep finding the same thing true. The only possible way that Ayane defeated Genra was to beat Hayate after he beat Hayabusa. It really is the only way that the storymodes sync together to allow Ayane to defeat Genra.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh. What happened to it? I'd die if I lost one of my DOA games lol.

I've actually lost or given away all my gaming system plus games. I don't really play video games much anymore ever since the end of the dreamcast & PS2.

Originally posted by StyleTime

I must say Emperor Ashtar I consider you one of the more sensible posters on this forum. I realize that you wouldn't bring something like this up if you didn't have reason to actually doubt it. However, you must understand why Hayabusa losing simply had to occur for the story to actually progress..

Yes, but it really seems dubiuos for Team Ninja to make it appear as if Hayabusa and Hayate are about to fight in the finals. They even present the match in the correct stage and capture the seqeunce of events in a beliveable manner. Then suddenly claim that a cutscene featuring Ayane takes Priority over the former despite having the wrong scenery, Weather, Time, and Area. Infact the area the fight takes place on and the ending contradicts said cutscene entirely.

Originally posted by StyleTime

I ask you to bear with me as I go through this. As with any other DOA game, the character who defeated the boss has the canon storymode. For example, we know Hayabusa defeated Kasumi and Hayate in DOA2 because he had to before confronting Tengu.

Yes, But the cutscene's in hayabusa's story mode actually make sense.

Originally posted by StyleTime

The story mode of any character who didn't make it to the boss are canonical up to the point of their defeat. Examples of this include: Gen Fu didn't win DOA3 because he lost to Zack; Ayane didn't fight Hayate in DOA2 because she lost to Kasumi; Kasumi didn't fight Hayate in DOA2 because she lost Hayabusa.

Gen-Fu lost to zack?!

I remeber they had some sort of dialogue in DOA 3 about money or some sort. I never figured he would lose to Zack of all people.

Originally posted by StyleTime

Now we all already acknowledged that Ayane defeated Genra. In true DOA fashion, she has the canon storymode. She faced Kasumi and Hayate prior to confronting her father.

I've heard that she faced Hayate prior to the tournament, but that's just hearsay which I cannot confirm. Though, it makes alot more sense than hayabusa losing than hayate fighting Ayane.

Originally posted by StyleTime

Obviously, Kasumi and Hayate were bodily present for their matches against their sister. Again in true DOA fashion, Kasumi's story ends after she lost to Ayane, so Kasumi never fought Hayate in DOA3. Hayate's story also ends after he lost to Ayane. Thusly, Hayate never encounters Genra. However, being that Hayate made it to Ayane, he beat Hayabusa. Hayabusa is Hayate's second bout and a defeat there would mean he wouldn't fight Ayane as is always true of DOA. Also, if Hayabusa did beat Hayate, he would encounter Genra as Hayabusa's story mode demonstrated. Ayane also couldn't defeat Genra during Hayate vs Hayabusa because she fought Hayate herself before Genra.

Emperor Ashtar, your points did make me think a little. I understood your doubt and I even went and played through storymode on several different DOA games to try and apply what you said. Despite my efforts, I keep finding the same thing true. The [B]only possible way that Ayane defeated Genra was to beat Hayate after he beat Hayabusa. It really is the only way that the storymodes sync together to allow Ayane to defeat Genra. [/B]

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
If it's established then you can get me a source.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Seemingly, you're saying Ayane's ending never happened, if you're implying that the cutscene where she meets Genra prior to killing him didn't. Ayane's story mode is the correct story mode, from start to finish. Hayabusa's is not.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gen-Fu lost to zack?!

I remeber they had some sort of dialogue in DOA 3 about money or some sort. I never figured he would lose to Zack of all people.

Then what I perviously posted applies, Team Ninja is stupid.

Originally posted by Xenogears
Seemingly, you're saying Ayane's ending never happened, if you're implying that the cutscene where she meets Genra prior to killing him didn't. Ayane's story mode is the correct story mode, from start to finish. Hayabusa's is not.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Team Ninja is stupid.

Originally posted by Xenogears
LMAO

Hayate also knows karate.

You'd think Kaz would walk this, being the ultimate badass and everything, and he could have these guys one on one no problem. However, of late Kaz never really finishes anything right, and gets beat up by his kid and his daddy. I think a psycholgical barrier is holding him back. If he can get some counselling then he wins.

I agree.

Kazuya should be a beast, but mr. one dimensional boring Kazama is the poster boy, and as such he makes Kazuya job.

I hate Jin.

*Will never stop saying it*

Originally posted by Mr Dude
I think a psycholgical barrier is holding him back.

Jin has the potential to be awesome. He just needs to get chucked into a volcano or something.

Originally posted by StyleTime
If by "psychological barrier" you mean "Namco", you are correct.

Jin's Kazuya's damn son, for crying out loud. It's not really a wonder why he has the potential to beat him. Secondly, Jin was full of rage in T4, and the Devil Gene was somewhat active when he took him down. Kazuya's Devil was also somewhat active in T4. They are very close in terms of power. Jin's just a step above him.

By T5, Jin was powerful enough to take down Jinpachi without the use of the Devil Gene.

It reeks of BS.

Kazuya spent 20 years mastering his control over the Devil gene, and all of that does nothing when he is pit against Jin Kazama.

By the way You don't know if Jin is the one who actually beat Jinpachi. Though in all probability, since Namco's boring like that, he probably did. However as far as I know it hasn't been confirmed Jin beat Jinpachi. **** if Jin was the one who beat Jinpachi it reeks of even more PIS.

Didn't you know?

http://www.tekkenforces.com/tekken6_0.html

Jin won T5.

Also, it's not BS. Namco made Jin that powerful. The fact that he can take down Kazuya and Devil Jinpachi in his normal state proves that he's strong, that strong.

Wow.

Namco can blow me.

Screw Tekken & Jin Kazama.

*Walks inside Kazuya shrine and commits suicide*