Why all the pop hate?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah. It is shit. Someone that apparently can seperate good from bad music should know.

I can see it being kinda s*$# the same way Wolfmother is s*%#...and I'll explain. But other than that I'd say it isn't crap.

There's nothing new or original about a band like Wolfmother... it borrows to an annoying extent from the White Stripes, Sabbath, and Zeppelin. Still though, their songs kinda rock...and they sound 5x better than any of those other bands did becasue of the way it's been recorded.

The same goes for Sean Paul and his dancehall pop. Dancehall artists probably look at him and cringe, but he's given a bit of a modern sound to it that makes it rock (as have some other dancehall-pop artists).

It's not the best pop music, but it's definitetly not crap.

Plus, Get Busy just rocks. If it doesn't shake your booty, you don't have a pulse.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Plus, Get Busy just rocks. If it doesn't shake your booty, you don't have a pulse.

well i must be straight out of a Romero flick
the only thing i do when i hear a Sean Paul is search for the remote or the off switch
i cant remember how many times ive turned channels when the car ad which uses one of his tunes comes on the tv

and thats just a 40 second or so commercial
my dislike for the sound of his voice is that much

So, "Get Busy" doesn't make your booty shake...

...which according to my logic means you don't have a pulse...

...SO YOU MEAN YOU'RE A ZOMBIE??

Better than the White Striepes and Led Zeppelin....what?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Better than the White Striepes and Led Zeppelin....what?

The way it sounds is pretty kick-ass...the layered guitars have been amazingly recorded on that album, etc...

Musically though, Wolfmother is nothing compared to the Stripes or Zeppelin.

That Joker and the Thief song is pretty weak actually. His voice sounds like Jack White, and the song sounds like The White Stripes...even the song title sounds like a White Stripes title. It's almost embarrassing.

...still kinda rocks though.

And that Woman song ripped off LA Woman...they even rip off songs with the same name!

Still...I wouldn't say it's crap though. There's lots of good stuff there despite it's un-originality...same goes for Sean Paul.

Brittney Spears is crap.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So, "Get Busy" doesn't make your booty shake...

...which according to my logic means you don't have a pulse...

...SO YOU MEAN YOU'RE A ZOMBIE??

YUM BRAINS!!!!!

I like 80's and some early 90's pop. I dunno maybe it's the cheese that came with it that went well with the time, i guess. But anything after that era, pop-wise, suks.

Back then it was purely musical and fun. Now pop's just brainless and superficial while always trying to chart top with anything catchy whether it be with a sound or a corney cliche' everyone can easily say with a typical and easy pop beat. It's nauseating

That's one thing that will eternally annoy me.

The fact that people think fun music has to be shit. "Aww I don't care that Justin Timberlake is crap, he's fun.". Why not just listen to someone good and fun? Obviously Justin is good to you if you enjoy his music, but my point is clear.

-AC

Like I Love You and Sexy Back are very decent singles

...YEAH!

I don't like them.

-AC

Interesting litte comment there.

I'm guessing you're actually suggesting by posting your opinion that it has something to say about whether or not those can be considered good songs or not.

Great you don't like them...but they're still very decent singles regrdless if you like them or not.

There's some other decent pop music out there that I don't like...just like there's lots of decent movies out there that I don't particularly like. Doesn't mean they're crap though.

My taste doesn't mean anything.

You're gonna be able to have a case for them being crap songs by pointing to some determining factors...not by saying "I don't like them".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Great you don't like them...but they're still very decent singles regrdless if you like them or not.

What is there to judge BESIDES the music? Nothing. I don't like the music, so to me, it's not good. You do? Then it's good to you. You FEELING the need to say "Because I like/dislike it doesn't make it good or bad.", is up to you, but be aware that this IS just your decision, it's wrong.

I'm honestly not sure if you're trying to be annoying or if you really are that dumb, because it's only on this subject. You're not a retard across the forum.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
My taste doesn't mean anything.

You have no idea how much we agree.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You're gonna be able to have a case for them being crap songs by pointing to some determining factors

I determine what's crap to me by how it sounds. If I think it sounds crap, then I call it crap.

Why am I discussing music quality with an Akon, Backstreet Boys and Justin Timberlake fan?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I determine what's crap to me by how it sounds. If I think it sounds crap, then I call it crap.

Why am I discussing music quality with an Akon, Backstreet Boys and Justin Timberlake fan?

There's so many intricacies as to why you might like or dislike a song that go far beyond your comprehension...same as the intricacies that determine what food you like. And the outcome of what sounds or tastes good to you or not has nothing to do with the actual quality of the music or food in question.

If I go to a 5 star fine-dining restaurant and say "I don't like that dish", that doesn't mean squat! Who the heck am I to then suggest that it's a bad dish?

More realistically, you'd have to turn to a fine dining chef, have him explore the determinng factors of what makes good fine dining food, and trust his informed opinion over simply going off of your taste.

Capiche?

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's where you shortchange yourself. You have to look beyond whether it sounds good to you or not...because you can't help simply how it sounds to you.

How it sounds to me is all that counts and all that matters. Not to mention, that's all there is to each one of us; The individual perspective. YOU insist there is a universal standard or measurement of good and bad, there isn't. Then you go on to admit you can explain nor prove, yet you insist there is one.

You're an idiot. You can't recognise what makes a truth, so as Chill said, don't use them.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
There's so many intricacies as to why you might like or dislike a song that go far beyond your comprehension...same as the intricacies that determine what food you like. And the outcome of what sounds or tastes good to you or not has nothing to do with the actual quality of the music or food in question.

No, I know why I like and dislike songs. You may not have control over your mental capacity, but I have control over mine.

If I eat steak that tastes horrible, it's not good food, to me. If you eat that same steak and like the taste, then it's good food to you. The same with music.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
If I go to a 5 star fine-dining restaurant and say "I don't like that dish", that doesn't mean squat! Who the heck am I to then suggest that it's a bad dish?

The customer is always right. Ever heard the phrase? The chef is there to serve you. If there was a universal truth that certain foods were good or bad, there'd be no need for a menu, you complete idiot.

Taste determines verdict. There isn't a universal truth or standard, that's what you need to accept. Your insisting that there is will not hold up.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
More realistically, you'd have to turn to a fine dining chef, have him explore the determinng factors of what makes good fine dining food, and trust his informed opinion over simply going off of your taste.

No, you wouldn't. You'd say "I don't like the way this tastes, it's not good.". That's not a fact, it's an opinion, just like "Good dining food" is an opinion.

Just like music.

-AC

You're wrong. Sorry.

There's good and bad high fashion, good and bad fine-dining food, good and bad commercial music.

Fashion experts might claw each other's eyes out and b**** about each other behind their backs regarding "what's hot" and "what's not" in the high fashion world...but at the end of the day, they'll all look at "Bluenotes Jeans" and come to an almost unanimous agreement that it's total and utter s*#%.

That says something.

The fact that Nickleback gets laughed at by their peers left, right, and centre says something. The fact that everyone makes fun of boy bands says something...they all suck!

(and btw, you're kind of a jerk for continuing to imply I'm a fan of the Backstreet Boys...I've made it clear over and over that I liked a song of theirs but that I think they're crap music...and I'm certainly not a fan. And as far as other pop acts go, I've said most of their music is probably really bad, but they often have some good sinlges).

I can try and explain why Brintney is crap...(as I have by showing how an informed opinion can use determining factors such as originality, innovation, etc...), but even if I fail to offer facts (as you so desperately require), it doesn't mean that Britney sucking still doesn't exist as a truth in reality.

That's what I think.

You thinking that's an absurd concept, and thinking what you believe is more logical is just ridiculous I'm sorry to say. You simply believe in the opposite of what I believe in...and you can't prove what you're saying is true. And we're not talking about taste...we're talking about universal truths regarding music.

I guarantee you you're alone in thinking that taste has anything to do with the matter (as I succesfully proved with my restaurant example...which, by the way, I think you gave pretty weak responses to). You can do better than that! C'mon!

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You're wrong. Sorry.

You, someone who admitted he cannot recognise what a universal truth is, are attempting to use a non-existent universal truth to base your argument. You admit you can't prove it, but you insist it exists, and that's your argument. No, you are wrong.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
There's good and bad high fashion, good and bad fine-dining food, good and bad commercial music.

No, there isn't.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Fashion experts might claw each other's eyes out and b**** about each other behind their backs regarding "what's hot" and "what's not" in the high fashion world...but at the end of the day, they'll all look at "Bluenotes Jeans" and come to an almost unanimous agreement that it's total and utter s*#%.

But the people who buy those jeans won't agree, so it's all opinion. One opinion is more informed, one isn't. It's still opinion Vs opinion, therefore it's subjective.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That says something.

Yeah, "I'm an idiot.".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
The fact that Nickleback gets laughed at by their peers left, right, and centre says something. The fact that everyone makes fun of boy bands says something...they all suck!

It says that informed opinions say they suck. OPINIONS. OP-IN-YUN.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
(and btw, you're kind of a jerk for continuing to imply I'm a fan of the Backstreet Boys...I've made it clear over and over that I liked a song of theirs but that I think they're crap music...and I'm certainly not a fan. And as far as other pop acts go, I've said most of their music is probably really bad, but they often have some good sinlges).

You do like them, so you're a fan.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I can try and explain why Brintney is crap...(as I have by showing how an informed opinion can use determining factors such as originality, innovation, etc...), but even if I fail to offer facts (as you so desperately require), it doesn't mean that Britney sucking still doesn't exist as a truth in reality.

It doesn't exist as a truth, it's an opinion. Fact is truth, truth is fact, I've given definitions and explained this, only to get: "Well I don't care about definitions and facts.". THAT says something.

You ignore truth in favour of one you conjure up in the land of fairies and elves that you appear to live in.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's what I think.

You can THINK it all you want, you are wrong.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You thinking that's an absurd concept, and thinking what you believe is more logical is just ridiculous I'm sorry to say. You simply believe in the opposite of what I believe in...and you can't prove what you're saying is true. And we're not talking about taste...we're talking about universal truths regarding music.

I believe the opposite, I prove the opposite. You believe something you can't prove, that has no basis, and instead of accepting that it's backed by nothing, you try to tell others they don't get it and are wrong, despite being PROVEN otherwise.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I guarantee you you're alone in thinking that taste has anything to do with the matter (as I succesfully proved with my restaurant example...which, by the way, I think you gave pretty weak responses to). You can do better than that! C'mon!

Despite the thread, your other thread, and almost any thread you create, being full of people telling you you're an idiot and proving you wrong? The ONE guy who was debating me wasn't even totally agreeing with you, just saying he sees what you're saying, as do I, it's just crap.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You, someone who admitted he cannot recognise what a universal truth is

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
But the people who buy those jeans won't agree, so it's all opinion. One opinion is more informed, one isn't. It's still opinion Vs opinion, therefore it's subjective.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I believe the opposite, I prove the opposite.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Despite the thread, your other thread, and almost any thread you create, being full of people telling you you're an idiot and proving you wrong?

But again, people would agree with me about what I've proven about taste. I'm surprised you don't get it after all my explaining. You seem to just be in a point of denial about it becasue it's very self-evident.

If you think you're so right, let's have a poll.

I'll quote what I said about my restaurant example relating to music, and then quote your resposne to it and how it relates to music.

You'll get creamed. Guaranteed. 🙂

'CMON! 😱 😱 😱

The EPIIIBITES vs. Alpha Centauri poll thread. It'll be a gas.

It's all in fun...