Why all the pop hate?

Chill out with the panic posting you moron.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I said I can't ALWAYS recognize universal truths

This is one of those cases.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You haven't proven anything. You think you have because you rest your reality on what a dictionary says about it.

No, it's really simple. Fact = Truth. As far as music is concerned, there is no objectively good or bad music.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Nice try. I have far out ideas that I only expect a few people to get...and a few people always do. Doesn't mean my ideas are wrong becasue most people disagree with me.

They're not "far out", you're not being "left" or "cool". You're being "stupid" and "a mug". They're not far out or controversial, they are so dumb that only an idiot would hold such beliefs.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But again, people would agree with me about what I've proven about taste. I'm surprised you don't get it after all my explaining. You seem to just be in a point of denial about it becasue it's very self-evident.

Here we go again, "You don't get it.". I get what you're saying, you're just wrong.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'll quote what I said about my restaurant example relating to music, and then quote your resposne to it and how it relates to music.

You'll get creamed. Guaranteed.

I've got a better idea. Let's narrow it down to what really matters, because I'm not prepared to let you escape.

You believe that there IS such a thing as objectively good or bad music, regardless of taste, right? There IS such a thing as good or bad music, no matter whether you like it or not, right?

We'll see.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You believe that there IS such a thing as objectively good or bad music, regardless of taste, right? There IS such a thing as good or bad music, no matter whether you like it or not, right?

We'll see.

-AC

That's unfair.

So I had to add my piece as a result.

Said the exact same thing, twice.

Here: "EPIIIBITES proposes that regardless of whether you like music or not, regardless of what your taste is, there is such a thing as factually good music and factually bad music. NOTHING to do with anything other than the music that is produced, not the musicians, not anything. He proposes there is a universal truth, fact, beyond all deniability, that there is factually good music, or factually bad, outside of personal taste."

And here: "(Your option in the poll.) There is an objective good/bad standard in music people listen to, regardless of personal taste.".

That is precisely what you believe, and so that's what I said.

This is a discussion about music, I kept it clear and about music. You wanted to pack the thread full of misleading analogies cos you're an idiot.

-AC

You added "factual" in there knowing full well I've never said anything about my argument being factual.

You think that word belongs there. I don't.

I don't care if you understand it...it's not what (as you said) I'm proposing.

Don't be difficult.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You added "factual" in there knowing full well I've never said anything about my argument being factual.

You did, because truth is fact. You saying "I don't think it is." doesn't mean anything, because truth is fact.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You did, because truth is fact.

You know full well what I'm getting at, but you're being difficult.

I think THAT'S why people seem to have a problem with you...because you just choose to block things out.

Whatever. You're right AC.

You said exactly what I meant. You didn't infer anything.

Good work.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I don't agree with you...and I say you're wrong. Regardless if you understand it, you haven't said what I really propose.

You have as much right to disagree as someone has the right to disagree that the Sun is hot. It's a fact, a known truth, that there is no objectivity regarding good or bad music.

So it's a delicious twist of hypocricy that you say this:

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I think THAT'S why people seem to have a problem with you...because you just choose to block things out.

Which is exactly what you do.

-AC

Oh, give it up

I often admit I'm wrong actually.

You simply won't accept (as others have been trying to suggest you do with this debate) that others' opinion might have validity. You simply say..."their opinion is illogical...so they have no right to that opinion".

"Fact!"

...and even have the audacity to suggest you know what someone is proposing in their argument better than the person whose argument it is.

It's seems pretty clear there might be a difference of maturity here in how these arguments are being approached.

Here's an idea; Why don't YOU give it up?

-AC

Whatever AC. You're the King.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I find it kinda weird how so many people in here diss pop music. And I'm talking about your typical pop music, not simply bands that play on popular radio like My Chemical Romance (who IMO are more s*%# than most pop acts out there today).

Really, this has mostly to do with people just being afraid of associating themselves with pop songs or artists because of the bad rap (and often rightfully so) they've gotten in the past.

But this "pop sucks" attitude has just become old, and as far as I've seen it's usually people who show insecurities when talking about bands they like, and who don't seem to have the abilities to know what good music is.

There's good music in pretty much every genre, but when it comes to pop, people so smugly brush it aside. Lame.

Just off the top of my head, Destiny's Child, Justin Timberlake, Lily Allen, Nelly Furtado, Sean Paul, Missy Elliot, Avril Lavigne, Black Eyes Peas, and Madonna have all laid down some solid pop tracks over recent years. Granted they probably have shitty albums, but they do what they do best and give us a couple songs each like "Get Busy", "Don't Phunk with My Heart", "Bootylicious", "Smile", "Music", or "Like I Love You" that we can listen to for a couple weeks and then forget about.

Sure it's pop...but it's not all that bad.

No, it's not all that bad. I think poeple just find pop's (rock's) roots more interesting....Stones, Beach Boys, Beatles, The Who...you get the picture.

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