Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Oh and you the high and mighty always do. You're debate is a joke, you're using this universal truth bollocks, because you know that there is no other way you can can back your foolish and insane argument.
And my argument is based on the universal truth that I believe exists of what is good and bad music. That's why I use universal truths.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Of course
I think I'll leave now.Too many rude, immature and whiny folks about.
Shame.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Never said I can recognize universal truths.And my argument is based on the universal truth that I believe exists of what is good and bad music. That's why I use universal truths.
Do you not understand that you believe it exists based on nothing besides "Oh, I want to believe that."? Then you are applying it by telling OTHER PEOPLE they listen to factually bad or good music.
You don't have that right. Especially when a universal truth that DOES exist, not "I think...", but does, says that taste is subjective. As is quality of music. Quality exists, but the extent of that quality is subjective.
You believe a universal truth exists, yet the very fact that we can deny your claims proves it doesn't. Fact is truth.
-AC
Thing is, nobody can prove that quality in music is subjective...as much as I can't prove it isn't. It comes down to what you believe is the case about good and bad music. Facts can't always prove the truth.
Funny how all anyone has done here is try and pretend that what they believe in is the truth, and that what I believe in isn't...simply becasue they don't like what I believe in, and think that for some reason it's not alright to think how I do (but it is alright to think how they do) when really, it all comes down to a fundamental disagreement about truth.
...oh, and the obvious has been stated about something that doesn't even appply to the argument. TASTE is subjective.
Oh thanks. All that means is now I know I'm right when I say I like Mozart!
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Thing is, nobody can prove that quality in music is subjective...as much as I can't prove it isn't. It comes down to what you believe is the case about good and bad music. Facts can't always prove the truth.
No, nobody can convince YOU that music quality is subjective because you're an ignorant fool who refuses to admit he is wrong now that he has come this far with the belief.
No matter how much you are proven wrong, nobody can force you to admit that, just prove it.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Funny how all anyone has done here is try and pretend that what they believe in is the truth, and what I believe in isn't...just becasue they don't like what I believe in, and think that for some reason it's not alright to think how I do (but it is alright to think how they do).
I have no problem with you believing something I don't like if it's a subjective argument, it's not though. You are factually wrong, but you won't admit it, and you think that by continuing to IGNORE fact, you are refuting fact, and thus proving it to not be true. That's not the case.
-AC
I'm not factually wrong, because there are no facts you can provide to prove I'm wrong.
As much as you're gonna try to scream at the top of your lungs that there's facts you can apply to this argument, you won't be able to find facts to prove your point, cause there are none.
Accept it.
Just like you can't prove that the pop artists I've mentioned are crap. I say they're not.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm not factually wrong, because there are no facts you can provide to prove I'm wrong.
Your opinion: "Informed opinions are more credible.".
My reply: "Fine, nobody is denying that. They are still opinions.".
Your opinion: "Truth is apart from fact.".
My reply: I give you the definition that says fact is truth, reality.
Your reply? Akon lyrics and "I THINK truth is apart from fact.". It's not, though.
Originally posted by Gideon
As much as you're gonna try to scream at the top of your lungs that there's facts you can apply to this argument, you won't be able to find facts to prove your point, cause there are none.
I've provided facts that prove my point, you ignore them, you don't refute them, you ignore them.
Originally posted by Gideon
Accept it.
You.
Originally posted by Gideon
Just like you can't prove that the pop artists I mentioned are crap. I say they're not.
I say they are. Neither of us can prove it, because it's subjective.
-AC
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Something out of a dictionary isn't a fact.And what I think isn't wrong.
Truth exists apart from proven facts. If anything is a fact here...that is.
It's a fact that the word fact means truth, reality, certainty. Music being good or bad is not truth, fact or objective.
It's subjective, opinion, personal.
-AC
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah. I dunno if that one's a typical pop song. Although, I bet you Jamaican dancehall artists would say he make pop music 😉Whatever it is...it's gooood.
Let's get it on till the early morn...
Nah. It is shit. Someone that apparently can seperate good from bad music should know.