Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
He wouldn't be wrong to say Lily Allen is bad. Nor would be be right.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's taste. "Good" or "Bad" are terms that determine QUALITY, ie: Taste. The music we do or don't like.
I've accepted that you disagree, you're still wrong, though.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Accepted...and it's not the first time I've had such beliefs. You should know that. Doesn't mean I'm wrong.
You not accepting that you are wrong doesn't mean you aren't wrong, either. You keep saying "I'm not.", but overwhelming evidence says you are.
-AC
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Wow.Try reading some of the earlier posts before blindly jumping and calling people idiots and cretins.
But again, it has nothing to do with you liking it or not, it has everything to do with it having a number of redeemable qualities that truly bad music (such as Brittney) doesn't have.
I did read all of the pages and all of your posts, all tripe.
What you're talking about in the second part of the above quote is artistic merit, not fact. A lot of music before has got very little artistic merit but still accepted as good by many people.
Your belief is one of the strangest I've ever heard, how can it be fact? You need help mate.
It's not fact. Never said it was.
It's truth.
And not all truths can be factually proven.
I maintain that Lily Allen's music is good, and that Britney's is quite bad. I think that's a truth. No facts to prove it...but doesn't mean it's not truth that exists.
I also maintain that killing is wrong...can't be proven...but I think it's a truth that exists.
EPIII are you mentally damaged to such an extreme extent that you cannot grasp the absurdly obvious fact that you cannot hold an opinion to be true or factual without proof? However obvious it may seem to you that Britney is a shit singer you cannot prove it, it is therefore irrational to say it is factual or true. Even if Lily Allen is more creative or original than Britney it wouldn't mean shit, a "good" artist does not equal to originality or creativity or elaborateness.
The scale in which you judge singers is completely subjective, Tool are simply not factually better than Britney Spears, they may be more imaginative, whatever, but not better. Can you get that through your thick skull or will you just shrug it off and reply with a happy smilie and a "You just don't get it".
So until you can prove that Lily Allen is factually a good singer, or if you prefer to use the word truth, truthfully a good singer, please refrain from claiming she is.
EDIT: In this case, apprently you don't seem to understand, the words "true" and "fact" are interchangeable. If they aren't then state the reasons. Im sure there are none, by the way.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
It's not fact. Never said it was.It's truth.
And not all truths can be factually proven.
I maintain that Lily Allen's music is good, and that Britney's is quite bad. I think that's a truth. No facts to prove it...but doesn't mean it's not truth that exists.
I also maintain that killing is wrong...can't be proven...but I think it's a truth that exists.
I dunno, Toxic's quite a tune when your on acid. And yes, I did rave to it.
Originally posted by EisAhhh. Another one...
EDIT: In this case, apprently you don't seem to understand, the words "true" and "fact" are interchangeable. If they aren't then state the reasons. Im sure there are none, by the way.
Universal truths...how's about that for a reason. Not proven by fact...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I also maintain that killing is wrong...can't be proven...but I think it's a truth that exists.
So yes, that's right...you don't understand. But it's the premise for my argument. You believe there isn't such a thing as "bad" music. I disagree.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Ahh. Another one...Universal truths...how's about that for a reason.
Yes, you don't understand.
Right so you're trying to apply some kind of religious context to music? Very strange indeed, I just watched a programme that reminds me of you, the lad in it thought he was Elvis.
Universal truths...how's about that for a reason.
Unless you can prove these "universal truths" which you cant by the way, they will never be "universal" or "truths". Even if you hold them to such an elevated status where it seems they are... They aren't. Killing is not factually wrong, regardless of whatever remorse we might feel after we commit the act.
Really, stop proclaiming these so-called "universal truths" unless you can actually prove they are true, it only reinforces everyone's belief that your idiocy knows no bounds.
Don't you sound like a happy camper?
Listen dude. It's simple. I don't care how much it frustrates you, but I say that killing being wrong is a universally truth. And I'd even go as far as to say that I know it's true (but I won't get into why).
You don't agree with this line of thinking. Good for you.
On the same token. I maintain that there is truly good and bad music. I never claimed I can prove it, but I think it exists.
That's my belief.
PS. It says quite a lot about you and some others here that it bothers you so much.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Don't you sound like a happy camper?Listen dude. It's simple. I don't care how much it frustrates you, but I say killing being wrong is universally true. And I'd even go as far as to say that I know it's true (but I won't get into why).
You don't agree with this line of thinking. Good for you.
On the same token. I maintain that there is truly good and bad music. I never claimed I can prove it, but I think it exists.
That's my belief.
PS. It says quite a lot about you and some others here that it bother's you so much.
If it's 'universally' true then why does it still happen?
Listen dude. It's simple. I don't care how much it frustrates you, but I say killing being wrong is universally true.
And I'd even go as far as to say that I know it's true (but I won't get into why).
You don't agree with this line of thinking. Good for you.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
?'Cause people don't always recognize universal truths. That's why.
Oh and you the high and mighty always do. You're debate is a joke, you're using this universal truth bollocks, because you know that there is no other way you can can back your foolish and insane argument.