Largest School Shooting in American History

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
it doesn't necessarily make him a mean person either. people get all caught up in appearances, how someone looks, and determine that if they look like a freak that they are in fact a freak.
i try not to judge a book by the cover.

If you'd read, you'd know I didn't deny the opposite. I was saying a one time meeting in which he was nice to you does not make him a nice person, in reply to your comment "He's actually a really nice guy.". When you should have said "He was nice when I met him.".

Anyway, this isn't what the thread is about, hopefully you've had adequate explanation. It needn't go further.

-AC

and all i said was that first impressions are everything to me. sure, he might have just been having a great day, and i might have been the recepient of his good mood, but i am willing to bet he is not as much of a freak as people think.

also, i saw him every day for like 3 days, and he was extremely polite every time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and all i said was that first impressions are everything to me. sure, he might have just been having a great day, and i might have been the recepient of his good mood, but i am willing to bet he is not as much of a freak as people think.

also, i saw him every day for like 3 days, and he was extremely polite every time.

I'm not here suggesting he's as much or less or anything of a freak, I don't think he's a freak anyway, it's not a term I use to describe people with alternative choices in lifestyle, not sure how you even got onto that.

And you may have been on the receiving end of common courtesy, which doesn't necessarily make him a "really nice guy" either.

Anyway, my original point was simple (If you wish to reply to something, it should be this.): Cho being viewed as scary and disturbing by people doesn't make him insane.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
nothing, to me, suggests the man was insane.

^ That was a joke, right??

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
^ That was a joke, right??

What makes you say that?

The fact that he killed a lot of people and exhibited odd behaviour?

If that's why, I'll repeat; Nothing he did or said suggested to me that he was insane. I could be wrong, but I don't jump to that conclusion when someone does something shocking.

I prefer to keep it open to the possibility of "He wanted to. He just wanted to.". Not being in a rational frame of mind is entirely different to being medically insane.

-AC

i guess i see your point on Cho. Maybe he was nuts, maybe not. still, you have to wonder what would make a sane person do what he did.

If he was sane, he gave his reasons in his videos. He was angry to the point of extreme violence, and just did it.

The only difference between any of us and him, in that case, is that we didn't do it. That isn't the difference between insanity and sanity, it's the difference between fear of consequence or not. Everyone here has thought "Grr I'd shoot him/her/them if I could.". I'll call bs if that's denied.

Just because someone didn't care enough to hold back doesn't make them a medical case.

-AC

so different people have different tolerances, different levels of anger management. i guess i can feel that.

his, apparently, was very low.

Or maybe it WAS very high, and he got pushed to breaking point.

His breaking point may have just had more violent reactions when it was reached.

It's like that "Oh and he was such a nice boy!" thing that a lot of people say when they realise their neighbour was a murderer. Him or her being a murderer does not force time to change and alter the fact that they WERE nice people that you interacted with.

My friends wouldn't say "He was a murderous human." if I acted out Columbine, as if that's all I ever was.

He may have been an awesome person, we don't know enough.

He may have been mental, my point is, don't judge books by their covers, as you did just say.

-AC

i did say that, and i will own up to it. i gotta watch that damn video. is there a link in this thread?

I don't know, I watched it elsewhere.

To me, he just sounded extremely pissed off, and the reasons he listed are reasons I'm sure everyone here can relate to, and I've seen people relate to it.

People who have a shitload more than many other people, complaining about things, about how bad things are, always wanting more, it's ridiculous. I feel similar when I see Britney Spears begging for privacy, "ALL I WANT IS MY PRIVACY!", yeah? All people would want is your millions of dollars.

Not suggesting I'd do such a thing as Cho, I wouldn't ever, but to say the man came from areas of insanity is a bit farfetched.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let's not overlook the possibility that people can do this sort of thing because they want to, it's not necessary or credible to slap them with the insanity cane every time something like this happens.

He was a human, it IS human nature to do these things. We're not a happy little race incapable of committing bad acts without our minds being messed up.

It may have been the case with this guy, but I don't think everyone should assume that until it's proven.

He sounds like he was very pissed off and took it a step too far, nothing, to me, suggests the man was insane.

-AC

Don't forget the fact that was was forced to undergo psyciatric evaluation and it was suggested that he enter a psychiatric hospital at one point as a result of his odd behavior, which further supports the idea of him being psychotic.

The idea of him being insane is totally reasonable in this case, not merely because it seems to me that his statements made in his video was the result of pure madness and not just something that some normal guy who was just pissed off would say, but because, in this case, he had been admitted and evaluated prior to his rampage.

Originally posted by BackFire
Don't forget the fact that was was forced to undergo psyciatric evaluation and it was suggested that he enter a psychiatric hospital at one point as a result of his odd behavior, which further supports the idea of him being psychotic.

The idea of him being insane is totally reasonable in this case, not merely because it seems to me that his statements made in his video was the result of pure madness and not just something that some normal guy who was just pissed off would say, but because, in this case, he had been admitted and evaluated prior to his rampage.

As I said many times, I could be wrong, maybe he was insane, but that should never be the first choice in this case, because regardless of whatever condition you say he had, he made some comments that weren't necessarily insane.

You make comments that people would probably ask to have YOU admitted for. I wouldn't, I just see them as "out there".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As I said many times, I could be wrong, maybe he was insane, but that should never be the first choice in this case, because regardless of whatever condition you say he had, he made some comments that weren't necessarily insane.

You make comments that people would probably ask to have YOU admitted for. I wouldn't, I just see them as "out there".

-AC

I think it's a very reasonable first choice in this case, since there is evidence to support the notion beyond "he did bad things".

He may have made some comments that weren't insane in his video, most of his comments however, seemed to be the result of him simply losing his mind, and not just being angry. He was speaking as if his hand was being forced, putting guns to his head and a knife to his throat, and so on. Just because not every single thing said in the video was utterly insane doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to assume he was, since there was plenty in the video that did seem pretty insane.

I make comments that are funny, he committed prior actions that resulted in genuinely scaring people, such as stalking two girls, as such a judge made him undergo psychiatric therapy, he would have been forced to enter a psych hospital, but even people who may be insane aren't necessarilly stupid or too far gone to act normal when they know they it's in their own best interest, which kept him from being forced into a psych hospital.

I don't see my comments as "out there", I see them as "in you", and by "my comments", I mean my dick.

Also not leaving out the fact that at least 2 teachers were scared of him and felt they couldn't safely leave him alone in a classroom.

"let's become a famous celebrity!!!....oh, but i also want my privacy."

sure....that'll work. maybe the papparazzi will leave her alone. maybe she will have all the privacy in the world.

maybe.......MAYBE I'm a shaolin monk.

Starhawk, there were kids like that at my school, they didn't shoot anybody, nor were they insane.

You need to have evidence, as there appears to be here, to call someone that. Not just "He scared people.".

Originally posted by BackFire
I think it's a very reasonable first choice in this case, since there is evidence to support the notion beyond "he did bad things".

Then obviously it is. My point was, whenever this shit happens, it's "Insanity.", which shouldn't be the case.

Originally posted by BackFire
He may have made some comments that weren't insane in his video, most of his comments however, seemed to be the result of him simply losing his mind, and not just being angry. He was speaking as if his hand was being forced, putting guns to his head and a knife to his throat, and so on. Just because not every single thing said in the video was utterly insane doesn't mean it isn't reasonable to assume he was, since there was plenty in the video that did seem pretty insane.

Again, as I previously stated, I could have been wrong. If he was insane, fine, I'm not saying nobody is insane. I'm simply putting forward the idea that it shouldn't be a first choice for the sake of being in denial about human behaviour.

Originally posted by BackFire
I make comments that are funny,

Arguable in the highest order, Backfire. The highest order.

You've threatened to rape me. No, I understand what you're saying, it was just an example.

Originally posted by BackFire
The committed prior actions that resulted in genuinely scaring people, such as stalking two girls, as such a judge made him undergo psychiatric therapy, he would have been forced to enter a psych hospital, but even people who may be insane aren't necessarilly stupid or too far gone to act normal when they know they it's in their own best interest, which kept him from being forced into a psych hospital.

Well then you have to ask yourself, if he was doing all this crazy shit, and then acted a bit normal, what was wrong with the surrounding people? If there was heavy evidence to suggest insanity, why was him being a bit ordinary enough to warrant not pushing him?

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't see my comments as "out there", I see them as "in you", and by "my comments", I mean my dick.

See.

-AC

you know, you can choke on small bones.

That's why I'd die if Backfire did what he said he'd do.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then obviously it is. My point was, whenever this shit happens, it's "Insanity.", which shouldn't be the case.

I agree, it shouldn't be the simple copout default whenever anyone does something like this. All avenues should be explored and the reasons studied in hopes of avoiding it in the future.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Again, as I previously stated, I could have been wrong. If he was insane, fine, I'm not saying nobody is insane. I'm simply putting forward the idea that it shouldn't be a first choice for the sake of being in denial about human behaviour.

Again, agreed.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Arguable in the highest order, Backfire. The highest order.

You've threatened to rape me. No, I understand what you're saying, it was just an example.

I love you too, rape is how I show it, you know that. And you love that.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well then you have to ask yourself, if he was doing all this crazy shit, and then acted a bit normal, what was wrong with the surrounding people? If there was heavy evidence to suggest insanity, why was him being a bit ordinary enough to warrant not pushing him?

I don't think it was his surrouding people, but the system that stopped him from being put away. He didn't do anything bad enough to immediately warrant being locked up, just evaluated. And he knew that while being evaluated he needed to act normal. Actually, what I heard is that he was just very quiet and calm during the evaluations, pretty much giving them nothing. He knew his prior actions weren't enough for them to shut him down.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
See.

Yes, it was funny, you laughed, I know because I felt the vibrations around my ****.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
-AC

-BJ