Muhammed- The Peadophile

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Originally posted by inimalist
ok

*HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION* (thought I would point this out first)

So I have found this 8 year old

She is very mature, very smart, she can read books normally read in high school, aware of the world and all that. Funny and all that, and not just in the cute childish way.

In your opinion, it is ok for me to try and seduce and sleep with her?

I cant really answer this question bcoz we're now in different time ..I was talking about Aisha at that time girl were responsible of the house , taking care of their bro and sis ,doing most of the works ..Now its different of course so i would say do whatever feels right to u .. 😄

According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha's (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Ayesha (ra) should not even have been born during the first year of Islam.

Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr (ra) planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am - with whose son Ayesha (ra) was engaged at that time - and asked him to take Ayesha (ra) in his house as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam. Subsequently, his son divorced Ayesha (ra). Now, if Ayesha (ra) was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha (ra) had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.

According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (ra), when Khaulah (ra) came to the Prophet (pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: "You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)". When the Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Ayesha's (ra) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that the word "bikr" in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is "Jariyah". "Bikr" on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a "lady".

According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) age at the time of her marriage.

In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the Prophet (pbuh) marry Ayesha (ra) at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.

Originally posted by FeceMan
If she says "yes," hit her.

Nobody would dare 😈

Originally posted by Fatima
Nobody would dare 😈

That's because we're not Muslim 😉

More evidence that she older than that one little hadith, which BTW, is NOT the end-all-be-all in Islam. Theat Hadith is an unusual one because it was told by one person and was NOT confirmed by anyone else.

According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE[16] and then in 625 CE in the Battle of Uhud.[17] As no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties,[18][19] Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.

Ibn Hisham's recension of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.[20]

Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am's son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.[5](p.38)

Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr's four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah,[21] the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE when Aisha started living with Muhammad.

Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an , was revealed, "I was a young girl".[22] The 54th Surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah.[23] According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be 14 to 21.

According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha.[24][25] Asma is reported to die in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old.[26][27] Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

There are more references that point to Aisha being older than 12, which was not only acceptable by the Muslim, non-Muslim community (she was given away WITH her parents blessing), than evidence supporting this hate speech. And it is hate speech because you are blatantly condemning the Religion of Islam and its Prophet, by not only ignoring ALL the evidence, but also subjecting them to today's standards, which is not only extremely unfair and biased; it's irresponsible, cowardly and ill-motivated.

Originally posted by Fatima
I cant really answer this question bcoz we're now in different time ..I was talking about Aisha at that time girl were responsible of the house , taking care of their bro and sis ,doing most of the works ..Now its different of course so i would say do whatever feels right to u .. 😄

wait...

so if it feels right for me to have sex with someone under 10 then it is ok?

So then why describe him as a Pedophile? If she wasn't forced, wanted to marry the Prophet, was given away by her parents with full blessing (Abu Bakr, her father, is the one that initiated the marriage), the marriage was accepted BY EVERYONE...EVERYONE, even the people who wanted the Prophet dead -- NO one questioned it. So then what's the point?

Even if she married him at 9 years old, which is not true, the marriage was not consummated until 3 years after, when she was 12. She was in the normal age range at that time for married women.

Moreover, ALL of Muhammad's wives were, by today's standards, of legal age for consent of sex, and marriage. If he was a pedophile then why didn't he marry other younger girls. The truth is ALL the evidence, besides that one quote, used in many of the hadith collections, point to the fact that Aisha was around 15-18 when she married the prophet, and if were not such a bigot you'd see that instead of insisting your view is correct.
Reasons why Prophet Muhammad married Aisha and her influence in Islam's history

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
That's because we're not Muslim 😉

Muslim or not Muslim ..i will kick him 😈

Hey another Muslim ..thank Allah ,Welcome 😱 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
wait...

so if it feels right for me to have sex with someone under 10 then it is ok?

I dont care of how u feel 😐

Originally posted by Fatima
I dont care of how u feel 😐

Fatima, the question is why is it wrong for an ordinary adult to have sex with a child, but it was okay for Muhammed to do it ?

Originally posted by Fatima
I dont care of how u feel 😐

ok

your argument was that it was a culturally different time when this 9 year old slept with Mohammed.

I asked WHAT it was specifically about this culture that makes it ok for this to occur, and you said "do whatever you feel like" then you say you don't care how I feel.

So, I'm confused:

What is it about medieval Islamic society that makes it ok for old men to have sex with prepubescent girls?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Fatima, the question is why is it wrong for an ordinary adult to have sex with a child, but it was okay for Muhammed to do it ?

Haven't you being reading what our new friend has written?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Haven't you being reading what our new friend has written?

The Hadith itself stated that Muhammed consummated the marriage when Aisha was 9...what more is there to know ?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Fatima, the question is why is it wrong for an ordinary adult to have sex with a child, but it was okay for Muhammed to do it ?

Aisha was a mature ...Dont u understand people 😠

Originally posted by Fatima
Aisha was a mature ...Dont u understand people 😠

😆

There are plenty of mature 9 year olds, but having sex with them is still paedophilia.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Hadith itself stated that Muhammed consummated the marriage when Aisha was 9...what more is there to know ?

Read all of it then you will find out

Originally posted by muslimscholar
Haven't you being reading what our new friend has written?

you mean this:

Originally posted by Islamic_Cleric

Even if she married him at 9 years old, which is not true, the marriage was not consummated until 3 years after, when she was 12. She was in the normal age range at that time for married women.

so in your argument sleeping with 9 year olds is wrong but a 12 year old is not?

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Hadith itself stated that Muhammed consummated the marriage when Aisha was 9...what more is there to know ?

Not all Hadiths agree.

Like not all books of the bible agree

Originally posted by Islamic_Cleric
More evidence that she older than that one little hadith, which BTW, is NOT the end-all-be-all in Islam. Theat Hadith is an unusual one because it was told by one person and was NOT confirmed by anyone else.

According to hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, Aisha is said to have joined Muhammad on the raid that culminated in the Battle of Badr, in 624 CE[16] and then in 625 CE in the Battle of Uhud.[17] As no one below the age of fifteen was allowed to accompany raiding parties,[18][19] Aisha should have been at least fifteen in 624 CE and thus at least thirteen when she was married following the Hijra in 622 CE.

Ibn Hisham's recension of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, records Aisha as having converted to Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab, during the first few years of Islam around 610 CE. In order to accept Islam she must have been walking and talking, hence at least three years of age, which would make her at least fifteen in 622 CE.[20]

Tabari reports that Abu Bakr wished to spare Aisha the discomforts of a journey to Ethiopia soon after 615 CE, and tried to bring forward her marriage to Mut`am's son. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam, but if Aisha was already of marriageable age in 615 CE, she must have been older than nine in 622 CE.[5](p.38)

Tabari also reports that Abu Bakr's four children were all born during the Jahiliyyah,[21] the pre Islamic period, which could be said to have ended in 610 CE, making Aisha at least twelve in 622 CE when Aisha started living with Muhammad.

Aisha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an , was revealed, "I was a young girl".[22] The 54th Surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah.[23] According to this tradition, Aisha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl, not even only an infant at that time. So if this age is assumed to be 7 to 14 years then her age at the time of marriage would be 14 to 21.

According to almost all the historians, Asma the elder sister of Aisha, was ten years older than Aisha.[24][25] Asma is reported to die in the 73rd year after migration of Muhammad when she was 100 years old.[26][27] Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after Migration to Medina, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of migration. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Aisha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Aisha - if she got married in 1 AH (after Migration to Medina) or 2 AH - was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

There are more references that point to Aisha being older than 12, which was not only acceptable by the Muslim, non-Muslim community (she was given away WITH her parents blessing), than evidence supporting this hate speech. And it is hate speech because you are blatantly condemning the Religion of Islam and its Prophet, by not only ignoring ALL the evidence, but also subjecting them to today's standards, which is not only extremely unfair and biased; it's irresponsible, cowardly and ill-motivated.

Originally posted by Fatima
Aisha was a mature ...Dont u understand people 😠

ok

So in your opinion it is ok for old men to have sex with mature prepubescent girls?

Originally posted by Islamic_Cleric
Not all Hadiths agree.

Like not all books of the bible agree

1) If the Hadiths do not agree, then why do you hold them as Allah's word ?

2) Whether Aisha was 9 or 12, Muhammed having sex with her is still paedophilia. I am not arguing whether or not it is right or wrong, I am simply making the observation that this was an act of paedophilia.