Objectivity in Music.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I don't think so...I've been trying to keep up as hard as I can.

Scroll up, there's a few posts you missed.

And for the love of anything, stop the panic posting. It's spamming.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Well, seeing as how AC is now resorting to defaming me by suggesting I'm arguing unfairly...I could maybe see why someone would say this.

You're not being fair. You're claiming there is a higher truth beyond the reach of science and not explaining yourself. If you have faith in that, then fine, but don't expect anyone do take you seriously.

I'd also like to see you respond to some of the many posts you glossed over.

I think I'm being fair in my discussion tactics...what are you talking about?

Yeah...that's what I'm claiming...just becasue you don't believe what I do it makes it unfair?

What?

I've given a lot of effort to explain myself as best I can...aoart from that, I can't do much more.

You're being silly.

I don't think so...maybe you (and others) just have a serious problem accepting other people's beliefs (when really, at the end of the day, you can't prove your belief is any more right than mine).

No...you can't.

You're really beyond saving.

-AC

Wait...I haven't even voted yet!!

It's

Me - 5

AC - 11

Not bad...what I expect it to be given the difficult nature of my argument.

Again, probably pisses AC off that the tally is what it is. 😄

EPIII, you really are making yourself out to be rather hopeless.

Well, 4 other people wouldn't agree with you sir (and possibly more if the poll was better presented, and if AC wasn't constantly trying to sabbotage my efforts by his crafty tactics).

But...that's what you have to put up with when in a discussion with him it seems...

...it makes it kind of a challenge.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Wait...I haven't even voted yet!!

It's

Me - 5

AC - 11

Not bad...what I expect it to be given the difficult nature of my argument.

Again, probably pisses AC off that the tally is what it is. 😄

I feel nothing but pity for you.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Well, 4 other people wouldn't agree with you.

Let them speak.

EPIIIBITES, it doesn't matter. 4 or 400.

They would still all be wrong if they held the belief you do. Do you not understand that? Numbers do not make it any closer to right.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Why, do you want to pick the opposite of whatever I choose?

-AC

nope, i was just wondering.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I don't think so...maybe you (and others) just have a serious problem accepting other people's beliefs (when really, at the end of the day, you can't prove your belief is any more right than mine).

It is more credible though, by default.

One side believes with no evidence; one states that no evidence is not reason enough to accept a belief as anything more than speculation.

The latter wins, always, unless evidence is provided.

Wrong

This is what I have...which isn't proof...but says quite a lot, and points to or demonstrates what I say is the truth of my argument.

If you've read it...then PLEASE...SOMEONE...say something that discounts what it's presenting.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So you say that even criteria comes down to opinion.

I argue that people who have informed opinions about music and use such criteria (although they probably don't do it as consciously) will more or less tend to agree with each other that Brittney is crap.

And this is because they've heard and they know what music is considered to be innovative...to have substance...to have soul...to have good instrumentation. Their opinions are informed. For example, they listened to a Jimi Hendrix album...thought it was innovative, had soul, etc...and those thoughts were re-affirmed by their other informed peers. And this happened again with other music...and again...until they started to realize that music experts are often agreeing on the same stuff being good music (and the same stuff being crap).

So I don't think you can just say "it depends on what someone's taste is" when it comes to determining if music is bad or not.

And really, it's becasue there truly is music that is "bad", and truly is music that is "not bad". It's obvious.

Who cares if you can't prove it with facts. It's a reality.

You're basically just hoping that repetition equals relevance now.

No. I'm hoping that you'll re-read what I've said above and re-consider what it's presenting against your case regarding so-called proof and "evidence".

AC still hasn't even touched on this point...because he knows how threatening what it's saying is to his argument of supposed "proof".

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
And for a while it seemed that you were being civil...wishful thinking I guess.

Good on ya.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
It's not useless at all...you just don't understand it. 🙂

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
No. I'm hoping that you'll re-read what I've said above and re-consider what it's presenting against your case regarding so-called proof and "evidence".

We've all read it, and we've already told you why it's wrong.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
No. I'm hoping that you'll re-read what I've said above and re-consider what it's presenting against your case regarding so-called proof and "evidence".

Nothing.

You said yourself it provides no proof.

What do I need to add?

Your stating that you don't need to prove it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.