Pre-Crisis Superman vs Odin

Simple fact is Thanos has never been shown to move anywhere near as fast as PC Supes nor is his level of durability or strength on par with him. Do u not realize PC Supes could travel in thousands of a second and traverse trillons of miles instantly. Thanos has been speedblitz by people on a vastly lower scale(Spiderman,Gamora,SS,Thor) so to think Thanos could even react in time to do anything is quite frankly the biggest load of fanboy BS ive ever heard on these boards.

Lets not forget that PC Supes also had some matter manip powers as well(he turned a rock into K-nite)and used the energy of his foes agaisnt them so who's to say he couldnt just manipulate his own bio aura to something like the Thanos-side and punc right through the *****'s chest.

Originally posted by h1a8
Supes beats Odin to the punch.
Before Odin can blink his head will be off.

Odin doesnt plan on punching silly P

Originally posted by h1a8
Onslaught did it by psionic energy. This is something Juggs is weak to.

Nonsense. Post me the scan in which the crystal was torn out using psionic energy.

Originally posted by h1a8
From the fact that it contradicts "fighting to the best of one's abilities".
If Spider-man can dodge multiple machine gun fire like a dayjob then him getting hit with a cane in the back would be considered him not fighting to the best of his abilities. If Superman can hear someone's heartbeat from space yet doesn't hear batman or WW sneak up on him then that is not him fighting to the best of his abilities. If Thor can bfr Hulk everytime then when he doesn't is him not fighting to the best of his abilities. I can go on and on.

The only time high showings don't count is if they are PIS/or CIS from the other character. And a low showing is only a low showing if there exist a higher one relevant to that showing.

Disagreed. And logic disagrees with you as well. Ignoring the rest of a character's ethos based on its highest showings for given attributes accepts the character's exceptions, not its norms. Unless you can logically reconcile the fact that a sprinter runs to the best of his ability with the fact that a sprinter does not always replicate his/her personal best each run, I expect you to make a statement that Bolt will always clock =< 9.72secs for 100m. Once again, confusing static feats with battle feats is erroneous. Have you ever taken up a martial art or been in a sparring session? There are countless extenuating factors in any sparring session, or battle for that matter, that mean that I often cannot replicate what I do in training to real sparring sessions. The same applies to certain degrees for any fighter alive.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the second paragraph. I can agree with the first sentence, to the extent that high showings are not the only determining factor of a character. As for the second sentence, a low showing obviously needs a higher comparison, just as a high showing obviously needs a lower comparison. That is why Scathan does not have high or low showings. His established level, till proven otherwise, is LT level.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Simple fact is Thanos has never been shown to move anywhere near as fast as PC Supes nor is his level of durability or strength on par with him. Do u not realize PC Supes could travel in thousands of a second and traverse trillons of miles instantly. Thanos has been speedblitz by people on a vastly lower scale(Spiderman,Gamora,SS,Thor) so to think Thanos could even react in time to do anything is quite frankly the biggest load of fanboy BS ive ever heard on these boards.

Lets not forget that PC Supes also had some matter manip powers as well(he turned a rock into K-nite)and used the energy of his foes agaisnt them so who's to say he couldnt just manipulate his own bio aura to something like the Thanos-side and punc right through the *****'s chest.

Again Supes cant replicate the Drax feat and he also wont have his back turned. 😉

Originally posted by Ouallada
Disagreed. And logic disagrees with you as well. Ignoring the rest of a character's ethos based on its highest showings for given attributes accepts the character's exceptions, not its norms. Unless you can logically reconcile the fact that a sprinter runs to the best of his ability with the fact that a sprinter does not always replicate his/her personal best each run, I expect you to make a statement that Bolt will always clock =< 9.72secs for 100m. Once again, confusing static feats with battle feats is erroneous. Have you ever taken up a martial art or been in a sparring session? There are countless extenuating factors in any sparring session, or battle for that matter, that mean that I often cannot replicate what I do in training to real sparring sessions. The same applies to certain degrees for any fighter alive.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the second paragraph. I can agree with the first sentence, to the extent that high showings are not the only determining factor of a character. As for the second sentence, a low showing obviously needs a higher comparison, just as a high showing obviously needs a lower comparison. That is why Scathan does not have high or low showings. His established level, till proven otherwise, is LT level.

Originally posted by h1a8
I said arguable stopping Juggs. This means that Hulk didn't really stop him. The scan looks like he tripped him instead. But this is arguable. Hence my wording.

No, you said arguably stopping Juggs is not the same as breaking his skin.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You are mixed up on this. Spiderman will fight to the best of his abilities always. Meaning he will make the best use of his consistently shown level of power. This doesn't affect his actual level of power/limits... those are determined by his average showings.

Originally posted by zeel
Odin doesnt plan on punching silly P

I'm sure you have heard of the expression "Beat him to the punch".
If not then let me tell you something. It has nothing to do with punching at all. Get it?

Speedblitz?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Nonsense. Post me the scan in which the crystal was torn out using psionic energy.

Onslaught is made of pure psionic energy. Juggs not only has been shown to be vulnerable to sufficient psionic energy but it is also stated in his bios.

Speedblitz FTW?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Disagreed. And logic disagrees with you as well. Ignoring the rest of a character's ethos based on its highest showings for given attributes accepts the character's exceptions, not its norms. Unless you can logically reconcile the fact that a sprinter runs to the best of his ability with the fact that a sprinter does not always replicate his/her personal best each run, I expect you to make a statement that Bolt will always clock =< 9.72secs for 100m. Once again, confusing static feats with battle feats is erroneous. Have you ever taken up a martial art or been in a sparring session? There are countless extenuating factors in any sparring session, or battle for that matter, that mean that I often cannot replicate what I do in training to real sparring sessions. The same applies to certain degrees for any fighter alive.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the second paragraph. I can agree with the first sentence, to the extent that high showings are not the only determining factor of a character. As for the second sentence, a low showing obviously needs a higher comparison, just as a high showing obviously needs a lower comparison. That is why Scathan does not have high or low showings. His established level, till proven otherwise, is LT level.

Fighting to the best of one's abilities has nothing to do with how fast they will run or move. It has something to do with a character using their speed period. Superman has super hearing and super speed, Thor has bfr powers, Spiderman has SS, etc. They will use these powers in battle or they are not fighting to the best of their abilities.
Characters don't fight to the best of their abilities when either they don't use their powers at all or efficiently. In a forum fight characters will use their powers with optimal strategy. This is why we debate in the first place (to see who wins if both are using their powers to the fullest with optimal strategy). Anything other than that is just Mickey Mouse stuff.

And note: Your analogy is stupid. Everytime a sprinter runs, his times will be within 1-5% of each other. Spiderman dodging multiple machine gun fire and then getting hit by a cane makes your analogy look like dog sh!t.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, you said arguably stopping Juggs is not the same as breaking his skin.

Yes I said that.
It means, 'just because you arguably stopped me from moving (probably didn't really stop me) doesn't prove that you can break my skin'.

I was being nice there. A stronger statement is "Stopping Juggs doesn't prove that his skin can be broken". This is since stopping him might take tremendous power but breaking his skin might take more (possibly inifinite power or using his weakness).

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Speedblitz FTW?

That's correct. Supes knocks Odin head to liquid before time elapses.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's correct. Supes knocks Odin head to liquid before time elapses.

Originally posted by h1a8
Fighting to the best of one's abilities has nothing to do with how fast they will run or move. It has something to do with a character using their speed period. Superman has super hearing and super speed, Thor has bfr powers, Spiderman has SS, etc. They will use these powers in battle or they are not fighting to the best of their abilities.
Characters don't fight to the best of their abilities when either they don't use their powers at all or efficiently. In a forum fight characters will use their powers with optimal strategy. This is why we debate in the first place (to see who wins if both are using their powers to the fullest with optimal strategy). Anything other than that is just Mickey Mouse stuff.

And note: Your analogy is stupid. Everytime a sprinter runs, his times will be within 1-5% of each other. Spiderman dodging multiple machine gun fire and then getting hit by a cane makes your analogy look like dog sh!t.

How can fighting to the best of one's abilities have "nothing to do with how fast they will run or move", but yet has "something to do with a character using their speed period"? You either speak in circles, or are deliberately trying to confuse. Using their complete range of powers is very far away from insisting that they replicate their best feats each and every time. CIS ensures that averages are kept, because said averages are formed by a character's norm, not exceptions. Thor doesn't Godblast every single time he fights due to his character. Spiderman doesn't OHK Doc Ock every single time due to his character. Arguing against that is arguing against the CIS rule. Anything else is just Mickey Mouse stuff.

Are you at the stage where you call names after being logically shown up? Let me know if so, because my money is on me being better. The analogy was suitable. Your statement was that characters perform to the best of their abilities every single time. My countering analogy does not need to prove that there is a 50% differential (even though such analogies exist), I simply need to show that your statement was false. Once again, make the statement that Usain Bolt will run the 100m in at 9.72s or lower fron now on, or retract the nonsense you tried to pass off as logic. Of course, you could insinuate that Bolt isn't trying his best all the time. If so, you can take it up with the IAAF.

Oh, SS >>>>>> Superman. SS is faster.

And, Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman. Flash is faster.

Originally posted by h1a8
Onslaught is made of pure psionic energy. Juggs not only has been shown to be vulnerable to sufficient psionic energy but it is also stated in his bios.

I challenge you to show me which part of that feat was psionic. A celestial is similar in makeup to Onslaught. That doesn't make a celestial incapable of physical feats.

I await your answer, or lack thereof.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's correct. Supes knocks Odin head to liquid before time elapses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he can knock Odins head off.

Oh man now you're in trouble. This thread is gonna go on to the 31st century.