Originally posted by quanchi112
Again to think he could oneshot Thanos when Galactus,Odin, and Tyrant cant is ridiculous. Thanos mindrapes him,encases him in energy block,or plain whoops him.Again Supes cant replicate the Drax feat and he also wont have his back turned. 😉
"Whoops him"...PC Supeman had the durabilty to withstand the combined magnetic energy of hundreds of galaxies. He also went through a boomtube using his own hands....energy block from a Thanos level character is completly out of the question. On the other hand how will Thanos handle supes travelling trillons of miles in seconds and deliver punches that could wreck star systems?
Originally posted by Ouallada
How can fighting to the best of one's abilities have "nothing to do with how fast they will run or move", but yet has "something to do with a character using their speed period"? You either speak in circles, or are deliberately trying to confuse. Using their complete range of powers is very far away from insisting that they replicate their best feats each and every time. CIS ensures that averages are kept, because said averages are formed by a character's norm, not exceptions. Thor doesn't Godblast every single time he fights due to his character. Spiderman doesn't OHK Doc Ock every single time due to his character. Arguing against that is arguing against the CIS rule. Anything else is just Mickey Mouse stuff.Are you at the stage where you call names after being logically shown up? Let me know if so, because my money is on me being better. The analogy was suitable. Your statement was that characters perform to the best of their abilities every single time. My countering analogy does not need to prove that there is a 50% differential (even though such analogies exist), I simply need to show that your statement was false. Once again, make the statement that Usain Bolt will run the 100m in at 9.72s or lower fron now on, or retract the nonsense you tried to pass off as logic. Of course, you could insinuate that Bolt isn't trying his best all the time. If so, you can take it up with the IAAF.
Oh, SS >>>>>> Superman. SS is faster.
And, Flash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman. Flash is faster.
I'm not trying to confuse. You are arguing that a character will not perform a feat exactly the way they did before. And thus we must take averages. But this hardly has nothing to do with fighting to the best of your abilities. Fighting to the best of your abilities doesn't mean you will achieve that spectacular time in a race everytime. It simply means that you will run as fast as you can everytime period. And it also means that the differential of your times shouldn't differ by a significant amount (unless there is something wrong or happened to you). It doesn't matter how well the Spider sense works. Either SM has SS or he doesn't.
And if a character has performed an action only 1 time then it is in their character to do it in the forum fight. The KMC rules state that Thor can godblast anytime and however many times he wants (read the rules). Flash will always use his speed and reflexes at anytime he needs to, etc.
Otherwise, I can say that since it is not in Silver Surfer's character to defend against a speedblitz then Superman wins all day. And since Superman has speedblitzed before then it is in his character to do so.
And SS is not faster than Superman in short instant bursts. Thus he is not faster in general. In combat there are short distances. So SS's long range speed advantage will be no advantage to him in a fight against Superman.
Originally posted by Ouallada
I challenge you to show me which part of that feat was psionic. A celestial is similar in makeup to Onslaught. That doesn't make a celestial incapable of physical feats.I await your answer, or lack thereof.
It is stated that Onslaught is a being of pure psionic energy.
It is also stated that Juggs is vulnerable to sufficient psionic energy.
You do the logic.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSupes gets mindraped. Or put in energy block. Or beaten down. One of this guys nemesis's is Lex Luthor.
"Whoops him"...PC Supeman had the durabilty to withstand the combined magnetic energy of hundreds of galaxies. He also went through a boomtube using his own hands....energy block from a Thanos level character is completly out of the question. On the other hand how will Thanos handle supes travelling trillons of miles in seconds and deliver punches that could wreck star systems?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos intelligence is greater than Luthors by a fair amount. But hey i justed joked back with you because you joked first. 😐
you mean thanos DOESN'T wear a skirt?
thanos' intelligence might put luthor's to shame, but that didn't stop luthor from doing more impressive shit than the majority of villains in DC...
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not trying to confuse. You are arguing that a character will not perform a feat exactly the way they did before. And thus we must take averages. But this hardly has nothing to do with fighting to the best of your abilities. Fighting to the best of your abilities doesn't mean you will achieve that spectacular time in a race everytime. It simply means that you will run as fast as you can everytime period. And it also means that the differential of your times shouldn't differ by a significant amount (unless there is something wrong or happened to you). It doesn't matter how well the Spider sense works. Either SM has SS or he doesn't.And if a character has performed an action only 1 time then it is in their character to do it in the forum fight. The KMC rules state that Thor can godblast anytime and however many times he wants (read the rules). Flash will always use his speed and reflexes at anytime he needs to, etc.
Otherwise, I can say that since it is not in Silver Surfer's character to defend against a speedblitz then Superman wins all day. And since Superman has speedblitzed before then it is in his character to do so.
And SS is not faster than Superman in short instant bursts. Thus he is not faster in general. In combat there are short distances. So SS's long range speed advantage will be no advantage to him in a fight against Superman.
I am arguing that we take averages because of differentials in performances, and because the totality of a character's performances, proxied by an average, gives the range in which a character operates in for which CIS applies. I agree on the point that "to the best of one's abilities" simply means that a character will simply do the best he or she can. I can easily name plenty of combat sport instances in which high performances were not replicated. How many times have we gone from flash round one KOs from a fighter in one match to a decision in the next? Plenty of such examples exist, and that logic dictates that the difference is a possibly a lot larger than your arbitrary 1%-5%.
The analogy I am using here is analagous to the spidersense or a specific move. The spidersense and the ability to use a certain move (eg the godblast) is always within the respective characters. Whether or not these moves are used due to CIS and circumstances is binary (0 or 1), and the effectiveness of such a move is governed by the analogy I have used. Even for Spiderman, where the Spidersense is always used, the only forum rule applying is that he utilises all his physical abilities in addition to the Spidersense to avoid an attack. Nowhere does it, or logic state that we ignore 99% of the appearances that define Spiderman and go by the outlying 1% in which Spiderman avoids Firelord and Titania. By the same logic, we do not argue Thor by a handful of appearances in which he uses his godblast and cracks Exitar's armour, because Thor, by definition, is NOT limited to those appearances, but also makes hundreds of other appearances.
If a character has performed a move only once in a thousand appearances, saying that this character will keep replicating that move under CIS is contradictory logic. That should be self-explanatory. I have read the rules. As far as I see, CIS is imposed on all combatants. That means characters fight in-character. Guess what defines characters? Yes, the culmination of its appearances. If it were in character for Thor to godblast every fight, he would have done so much more in his appearances.
Surfer has only been speedblitzed by Runner, who is out of Superman's league when it comes to speed. Surfer doesn't need short range speed feats here. Simply flying around to maintain range and blasting will eventually get him the win, simply because according to you, he cannot be touched by virtue of him being faster.
I'm sure Flash doesn't even need to be debated here.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is stated that Onslaught is a being of pure psionic energy.
It is also stated that Juggs is vulnerable to sufficient psionic energy.You do the logic.
I did the logic.
Onslaught was still within a physical shell.
Onslaught physically ripped the crystal out.
Show me where psionics were involved.
Originally posted by RaoulLuthor is very good and I never said he wasnt.
you mean thanos DOESN'T wear a skirt?thanos' intelligence might put luthor's to shame, but that didn't stop luthor from doing more impressive shit than the majority of villains in DC...
Thanos wears whatever the hell he wants because no one is going to tell him any different.
Originally posted by Ouallada
I am arguing that we take averages because of differentials in performances, and because the totality of a character's performances, proxied by an average, gives the range in which a character operates in for which CIS applies. I agree on the point that "to the best of one's abilities" simply means that a character will simply do the best he or she can. I can easily name plenty of combat sport instances in which high performances were not replicated. How many times have we gone from flash round one KOs from a fighter in one match to a decision in the next? Plenty of such examples exist, and that logic dictates that the difference is a possibly a lot larger than your arbitrary 1%-5%.The analogy I am using here is analagous to the spidersense or a specific move. The spidersense and the ability to use a certain move (eg the godblast) is always within the respective characters. Whether or not these moves are used due to CIS and circumstances is binary (0 or 1), and the effectiveness of such a move is governed by the analogy I have used. Even for Spiderman, where the Spidersense is always used, the only forum rule applying is that he utilises all his physical abilities in addition to the Spidersense to avoid an attack. Nowhere does it, or logic state that we ignore 99% of the appearances that define Spiderman and go by the outlying 1% in which Spiderman avoids Firelord and Titania. By the same logic, we do not argue Thor by a handful of appearances in which he uses his godblast and cracks Exitar's armour, because Thor, by definition, is NOT limited to those appearances, but also makes hundreds of other appearances.
If a character has performed a move only once in a thousand appearances, saying that this character will keep replicating that move under CIS is contradictory logic. That should be self-explanatory. I have read the rules. As far as I see, CIS is imposed on all combatants. That means characters fight in-character. Guess what defines characters? Yes, the culmination of its appearances. If it were in character for Thor to godblast every fight, he would have done so much more in his appearances.
Surfer has only been speedblitzed by Runner, who is out of Superman's league when it comes to speed. Surfer doesn't need short range speed feats here. Simply flying around to maintain range and blasting will eventually get him the win, simply because according to you, he cannot be touched by virtue of him being faster.
I'm sure Flash doesn't even need to be debated here.
Then my friend you are the wrong type of debater here.
The most interesting debate is to argue strictly about power set and optimal strategy. Superman pulling his punches don't make for an interesting fight. Neither do Thor not bfring or godblasting.
Neither do the rules state that we must accept the 99% of the appearances that you say define a character (it don't). Your analogies are terrible because they have nothing to do with the specific argument at hand. How well someone does something has nothing to do with them doing it at all. SM will use SS, Superman will use super hearing, Thor will use godblast and bfr, etc.
And lastly you can't make up your own rules to go along your logic. You must follow the rules whether you agree with them or not.
If a character has performed a specific action before then it is not out of their character to do it again. The action may be be out of a character's usual way of doing things but certainly not out of his character. See the difference? The rule specifically states that Thor can godblast at anytime.
And SS is a slow starter by your rules of CIS. He hardly ever moves with the instant burst speed required to defend against a speedblitz. Even traveling in space he almost always takes seconds just to hit light speed and beyond. Thus him flying around maintaining range cannot happen if he doesn't have enough instant burst speed from rest. This is according to your logic of course.