Originally posted by h1a8
Then my friend you are the wrong type of debater here.
Don't you just love how this guy dictates to other posters but most of his posts are complete rubbish.....annoying. Got no business talking to other posters like that...damn.
Anyway Superman cant wn by speedblitz Odin has control over time and space. Grandmaster has control over time and space and was able to see Runner moving at ultimate speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Then my friend you are the wrong type of debater here.
The most interesting debate is to argue strictly about power set and optimal strategy. Superman pulling his punches don't make for an interesting fight. Neither do Thor not bfring or godblasting.Neither do the rules state that we must accept the 99% of the appearances that you say define a character (it don't). Your analogies are terrible because they have nothing to do with the specific argument at hand. How well someone does something has nothing to do with them doing it at all. SM will use SS, Superman will use super hearing, Thor will use godblast and bfr, etc.
And lastly you can't make up your own rules to go along your logic. You must follow the rules whether you agree with them or not.
If a character has performed a specific action before then it is not out of their character to do it again. The action may be be out of a character's usual way of doing things but certainly not out of his character. See the difference? The rule specifically states that Thor can godblast at anytime.And SS is a slow starter by your rules of CIS. He hardly ever moves with the instant burst speed required to defend against a speedblitz. Even traveling in space he almost always takes seconds just to hit light speed and beyond. Thus him flying around maintaining range cannot happen if he doesn't have enough instant burst speed from rest. This is according to your logic of course.
Since when did I say anyone pulled punches? I'm saying that not all punches thrown connect, and that not all punches that connect do the same damage.
No one is making up rules. I'm simply interpreting the rules in accordance to logic. If THor has done the godblast once, yes, he can certainly do it again. It simply won't be within Thor's character for anyone to go into a forum battle and shout Thor by godblast 10000/10 times. Why? His character, and thus the CIS that he is subject to, does not and has never indicated that Thor would godblast in every battle he is in. Hundreds of Thor appearances and less than a handful of godblasts is enough empirical proof.
And Superman hardly speedblitzes under those same CIS rules. If you like, you can show me where he has taken seconds to speed up, because his appearances say otherwise. Until you do, yes, using your logic, SS can and would do that to Superman. Flash, as mentioned, would not even need to be debated against Superman using your logic, as the latter would never touch him.
As to your first statement, I agree with arguing strategy and powersets. I do not agree in cherry-picking high-end feats. If all Flash is in forum battles involves his battle with zoom, black flash and stealing that planet's speed, while ignoring the other 99% of appearances that define Flash, then I guess I would not enjoy debating much. Until then, I'm guessing that you are the wrong debater for this forum.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Don't you just love how this guy dictates to other posters but most of his posts are complete rubbish.....annoying. Got no business talking to other posters like that...damn.Anyway Superman cant wn by speedblitz Odin has control over time and space. Grandmaster has control over time and space and was able to see Runner moving at ultimate speed.
I hope you weren't referring to me 😛
In any case, I don't take the internet nor message boards overly seriously -- just post when I get in at work or after a long day out. I certainly don't bear any grudge against the other guy, however my posts may come across.
If I met the guy in real life, I would shake his hand and get a beer. And then remind him of how I kinda won in our discussion.
Originally posted by OualladaLast part made me snicker.
I hope you weren't referring to me 😛In any case, I don't take the internet nor message boards overly seriously -- just post when I get in at work or after a long day out. I certainly don't bear any grudge against the other guy, however my posts may come across.
If I met the guy in real life, I would shake his hand and get a beer. And then remind him of how I kinda won in our discussion.
Originally posted by Ouallada
I hope you weren't referring to me 😛
Nope. I was refering to hia8. I should have changed the way I presented the post.
Originally posted by Ouallada
In any case, I don't take the internet nor message boards overly seriously -- just post when I get in at work or after a long day out. I certainly don't bear any grudge against the other guy, however my posts may come across.If I met the guy in real life, I would shake his hand and get a beer. And then remind him of how I kinda won in our discussion.
True but if they behave this way in comic discussions they probably would behave the same way in other discussions as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Luthor is very good and I never said he wasnt.Thanos wears whatever the hell he wants because no one is going to tell him any different.
i thought odin did...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dr. Doom technically wears a skirt as well.You dare mock Doom?!?!1111 😠
doom doesnt look like the lovechild from a darkseid/skrull night of passion, so no...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin couldnt melt his face off,neither could Tyrant,the Maker,Magus with an incomplete ig,Galactus,the Surfer,Fallen One,etc. Supes gets beaten down and easily.
Since when did those character possess heat vision that could seal massive quantum events? We're talking about the kind of energy that can seal a big bang.
If Thor could bust up Thanos face with a few blows, imagine what that kind of energy will do to Thanos? PC Supes would completely dominate Thanos.
Originally posted by AllanklesDo yuou realize how powerful Odin is? I dont think you do because he is a lot more powerful than Superman from precrisis.
Since when did those character possess heat vision that could seal massive quantum events? We're talking about the kind of energy that can seal a big bang.If Thor could bust up Thanos face with a few blows, imagine what that kind of energy will do to Thanos? PC Supes would completely dominate Thanos.
Thor had the power gem and had no limits to the power he could muster. He only bloodied Thanos' nose. Context.
Thanos mindrapes him and his durability could take whatever supes throws out.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Do yuou realize how powerful Odin is? I dont think you do because he is a lot more powerful than Superman from precrisis.Thor had the power gem and had no limits to the power he could muster. He only bloodied Thanos' nose. Context.
Thanos mindrapes him and his durability could take whatever supes throws out.
This isn't about proposed or implied power and potential however, this is about on-panel feats. Therefore if we compare the two objectivly there simply isn't any PG user whom's feat rival PC Supes on-panel. On that note since when has Thanos ever shrugged off solar system wrecking shots or even managed his own agaisnt someone who could travel trillions of miles instantly.
Now if we go to enery projectiles, it would be Thanos blast that"blew Galactus a couple of football fields far" vs PC Supes heat vision that sealed away and cancelled a"big bang".
Thanos is complelty outclassed here friend, one "big bang"heat vision blast or a solar system wrecking punch at trillions of miles is all it would take. Or PC Supes could adjust his heat vision to "thanos-cide"energy if he wanted to and punch him via drax style.
Originally posted by quanchi112Thor had the power gem and had no limits to the power he could muster. He only bloodied Thanos' nose. Context.
Thanos mindrapes him and his durability could take whatever supes throws out.
Blah Blah! Here is that part you don't get. Thor merely striking Thanos caused him to get a bloodied face. PC Supes can project the kind of heat vision that has enough energy to neutralize vast quantum events like big bangs.
Thanos would get pummeled, punctured, bloodied; fried to the core of his his sub atomic particles. In other words PC Superman would pulverize Thanos into a bloody pathetic heap.