He defeated him twice, regardless of how easy it was
That doesn't chnage the fact that terry and only terry can defeats the boss while the rest of the cast is either none exsistant or fails. Read brainchilds point about zaki'.
Yet Ryu if he rests, could clear a whole gauntlet of fighting game heroes.
He can give Orochi Iori a match
He's God Tier whe he feels like it
And, regardless of jobbing or not is God tier
you wanna hear what people think ryu can do around here?
-he can beat werewolves
-he can pwn an entire cast of heroes if he is rested
-he can make short work out of the entire Tekken cast
-he can take on omega rugal
-he can defeat Igniz
list goes on....
& that's just a theory you pulled out of your @ss out of convenience though.
Originally posted by Sado22
i don't freaking believe you people! 😠
so wait...Ryu gets thrashed around, is turned into shotokan whipped cream after all that pounding from Sagat in SF1, goes berserk (as in mad and obsessed for victory to the point that he was even ready to kill), powers up insanely, smacks Sagat and wins.
and how is that different from what Terry did to Nightmare Geese?
lets go over it:
Firstly, Ryu wasn't getting thrashed around like a wet noodle, it was a fairly even match, Sagat's experience gave him the edge towards the end. and Sagat is known for his temper, already having killed Goh Hibiki in a fit of rage. I honmestly dunno if it was a cheapshot when Ryu did the Metsu Shoryuken or not...
Andif you point to Tiamat's FAQ, I'll be very pissed off and dissapointed Sado.
Originally posted by Sado22
terry gets his ass charblasted from side of the tower to the other. gets smacked around for the entire battle. snaps, goes berserker (kinda like ryu), and turns the table on Geese. he didn't finish him in one shot, unlike Ryu in SF1. Terry just went bersrek and the fight got more even and evnetually he overwhelmed him.
Who cares? all that demonstrates is that Ryu gained a much higher power boost (You know, the kind of power that Akuma posesses?)
Originally posted by Sado22
this is different? how? i'll tell you people how?
its different only in the sense that unlike ryu, Terry didn't go "pfft" become godtier and finsih his godtier opponent in one move. that is how its different.
Again, what does it matter?
Originally posted by Sado22
maybe you guys should think a little before you post such stuff. you're blaming Terry for doing something that Ryu did...only at least Terry did in a way that was somewhat respectful. Ryu does ONE MOVE to KO Sagat, after becoming godtier and somehow that isn't becoming "godtier just like that", eh emp/brain?
come on!
Ryu did it once in his original game backin the mid 1980's....... Terry has doneit repeatedly. THATS the argument being made, Ryu has lost a few matches, Terry has not... Even yo (The guy who stole Terry's thunder) has lost at least once...
Originally posted by Sado22
oh wait...what about Rock Howard? and you know, Terry didn't beat Rock Howard perfect either. now THAT is taking stealing someone else's dance floor, emp.
Notperfect, but he probably did beat him to maintain Terry's undefeated streak. (That is real bad Ryu may have beat Alex perfect, but Ryu doesn'thave a 20-0 win record.
Originally posted by Sado22
😆
don't forget...ryu can also put up a fight against a werewolf
So what? Remmulousis theonly one that said that,and only because characters like Talbain and felicia are lowtier darkstalkers (Definitely not world or even city killers.)
Originally posted by Sado22
its not when he feels like it. you missed the whole point. read above, emp. it was a similar situtation to Ryu-Sagat in SF1, only tery wasn't up against a hightier...he was up against a GODtier.
That makes it even worse...
Originally posted by Sado22
no he isn't. never said it. the only time Tery was a godtier was in his fight against N.Geese since he went berserker and was at a point when he didn't care if he even killed Gesee. however, it didn't take him another 5 years to realize that what he was doing was wrong. unlike Ryu. Terry's atonement came with raising rock.
see...personality!😄
Ryu did know, but unlike simple emotions, the Dark Hadou is an evil force, an energy which permeates the body. Berzerker tendencies are technically a choice, but to resist the Dark Hadou,you have to actually will yourself not to use it on a much higher scale than simply stopping yourself from punching someone in the face repeatedly.
Originally posted by Sado22
you wanna hear what people think ryu can do around here?
-he can beat werewolves
-he can pwn an entire cast of heroes if he is rested
-he can make short work out of the entire Tekken cast
-he can take on omega rugal
-he can defeat Igniz
list goes on....
-Remu is the only one who said that, and nowyou know why.
-It'snot outside the realm of possability, given his currentpowerlevel.
-This is a difficult thing to judge, there areabout 3 or 4characters Ryu would have to focus on if he attempts this.
-Why cant he?
-Again, why cant he?
Originally posted by Sado22
wait wait wait! you're not ACTUALLY asking me to repeat myself are you?! 😠
brainy i sent you the WHOLE damn faq! what you bitchin about now?
😉
~Sado
Your still relying on Zaki and Tiamats guides, this shows meyou have little time, or patience to go and play the games for yourself.
Andif you point to Tiamat's FAQ, I'll be very pissed off and dissapointed Sado.
Who cares? all that demonstrates is that Ryu gained a much higher power boost (You know, the kind of power that Akuma posesses?)
Ryu did it once in his original game backin the mid 1980's....... Terry has doneit repeatedly. THATS the argument being made, Ryu has lost a few matches, Terry has not... Even yo (The guy who stole Terry's thunder) has lost at least once...
Notperfect, but he probably did beat him to maintain Terry's undefeated streak. (That is real bad Ryu may have beat Alex perfect, but Ryu doesn'thave a 20-0 win record
That makes it even worse...
Ryu did know, but unlike simple emotions, the Dark Hadou is an evil force, an energy which permeates the body. Berzerker tendencies are technically a choice, but to resist the Dark Hadou,you have to actually will yourself not to use it on a much higher scale than simply stopping yourself from punching someone in the face repeatedly.
So what? Remmulousis theonly one that said that,and only because characters like Talbain and felicia are lowtier darkstalkers (Definitely not world or even city killers.)
-Remu is the only one who said that, and nowyou know why.
-It'snot outside the realm of possability, given his currentpowerlevel.
-This is a difficult thing to judge, there areabout 3 or 4characters Ryu would have to focus on if he attempts this.
-Why cant he?
-Again, why cant he?
and come on dark, you know ryu can't take on Igniz. Igniz is stronger than Orochi.
Your still relying on Zaki and Tiamats guides, this shows meyou have little time, or patience to go and play the games for yourself
~Sado
so, ryu has fought only 10 opponents😆
just kidding, remy.
look let me tell you this:
Terry has been on the streets since he was a kid. anywhere from the age of 5-9 he was taken in by Jeff Bogard as a step son along with Andy. then Terry was orphaned when "plural of goose" killed Jeff. that was when terry was 10 years old.
now listen very carefully cuz i'm only gonna say this once:
Terry has been on the street since he was 10 years old. he fought EVERYDAY against numerous fighters, honing his skills so that he could be strong enough to take on Geese. for the next 10 years he kept on fighting in South TOwn EVERYDAY and did nothing but that: fight all day against opponents who were stronger than him so he could get better.
Terry most likely faced more than 10000 opponents in just those 10 years, remy. even if not, after he beat Geese in FF1, he remained on the streets and kept fighting.
By MOTW Terry is 35 years old and he has always been on the streets since then. Now do the math:
Terry has been street fighting since the age of 10 and is now 35 years old. that means a whooping 25 years of fighting experience, honing his skills in a city of fighters. not to mention that he was fighting even before he was adopted by Jeff Bogard who taught him a little something about martial arts. That combined means that Terry Bogard has been fighting for 30 years. Ryu started street fighting at the age of 23 and in SF3 he is 33. that's only 10 years of fighitng. Terry has been fighting for [b]30]/b] YEARS...not 10.
and on top of all that.........Terry is still unbeaten.
so shinremy, it goes more like this:
terry has faced more opponents than ryu has, and hasnt lost ANY.
Terry-THE-MAN-Bogard rules. as much a fact of life as that we need water to survive.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
not really...and as for "who cares" i'm pointing out the blazing bias in cliaiming terry's becoming godtier as stupid and not Ryu's.
Ryu actually got an explanation for his powerup, Terry simply became mad as a hornet thats had it's nest beaten with a flaming stick.
At least Ryu got a halfway decent reason, something that plays an integral role in his character.
Originally posted by Sado22
Terry didn't have to become godtier to defeat Krauser, Geese FF1 or even against Zaki and Grant. the only time he went berserker was against FFRB Geese nad you can't blame him.
But thats still a plot conveniance, not a real good thing to do when a character is already undefeated...
Seriously... to give Terry that kind of powerup just so he can win is very very poor writing. Ryu's Dark Hadou was developed far more thoughtfully.
Originally posted by Sado22
but not perfect, which is the point. Rock held his own against Bogard. Alex didn't and got squashed to kill any credibility he had left after having the boss take a dive for him.
Having the boss take a dive destroyed the credability anyways...
Originally posted by Sado22
becoming godtier to take on godtier is worse?
Yes, becauseit's plot conveniance without explanation besides "Berzerker"...
Originally posted by Sado22
...dark hadou uses negative emotions such as Terry was feeling. what terry went through was not unlike dark hadou...yet Terry did it once and immediately got a development as a character by regretting what he did, even trying to save that person's life and in order to atone he raised his son so as to stop the cursed bloodline doom.
what did ryu do after making a banana split out of Sagat's titties? that's right, he picked his bag and walked home.
Actually, the Dark Hadou is based on thoughts, intentions... Ryu never killed,or actively sought to kill anyone, but his desire to win at any cost,even to kill for victory is what caused Sagat's loss. It was after this that Ryu saw why victory is not as important, thats why he allowed himself to lose as much as he did, he's not motivated by victory.
Originally posted by Sado22
why are you responding to things you know that are not directed at you. i never blamed you for saying that at any point now did i? in fact this whole reply is for rem.
You've used itas a prodding tool against anyonewho aregues for the SFercharacters,calling usall bias in general.
Originally posted by Sado22
-yet Terry can't beat sagat though he beat godtier
-Kyo can't beat Ryu though he KO'd a god with one punch
-Iori cna't Ryu though Iori is stronger than Goenitz (you want proof right?)
-Kyo can't hold againt AKuma though he faced won the finals of the KoF97 tournament (against Terry's team or Iori), took on Orochi Iori, took on Orochi team (who are even stronger than Goenitz), took on Orochi, lost, got back up again and took him with Iori's help and won.and come on dark, you know ryu can't take on Igniz. Igniz is stronger than Orochi.
-I thought I discussed this with you before, why are the FF tiers anything similar to SFer tiers in your eyes?
-With a plot device and help.
-Goenitz is far stronger than Iori was at the time, 1on1 Goentiz would have outright owned Iori.
-Actually, Goenitz is the strongest out of the 4 heavenly kings of Orochi, exept for Chris perhaps, him being the living avatar to the deity himself (He completely mastered his powers and is not an alter ego like the other 3). Kyo is powered by the plot device, the Magatama flames are ableto damage the Orochi where normal humans cannot. Why do you argue this knowing that?
Originally posted by Sado22
who is Zaki? 😕
the KoF info isn't from tiamat. its from KLantis....and i don't personally believe everything he says since i was the first person to point out how he never acknowledges the FF1 retcon of Geese and many other things.
i've played all the KoF games and know the stories by heart.
My bad, I meant Lantis.
Ryu actually got an explanation for his powerup, Terry simply became mad as a hornet thats had it's nest beaten with a flaming stick.
At least Ryu got a halfway decent reason, something that plays an integral role in his character.
Seriously... to give Terry that kind of powerup just so he can win is very very poor writing. Ryu's Dark Hadou was developed far more thoughtfully
Having the boss take a dive destroyed the credability anyways
Yes, becauseit's plot conveniance without explanation besides "Berzerker"...
Actually, the Dark Hadou is based on thoughts, intentions... Ryu never killed,or actively sought to kill anyone, but his desire to win at any cost,even to kill for victory is what caused Sagat's loss. It was after this that Ryu saw why victory is not as important, thats why he allowed himself to lose as much as he did, he's not motivated by victory.
oh and i'll get back to the rest....i have an exam in 15 mintues.
see ya. and give what i said in the beginning a little more thought.
ask yourself....does it really?
~Sado