Originally posted by Sado22
you wanna hear what people think ryu can do around here?
-he can beat werewolves
-he can pwn an entire cast of heroes if he is rested
-he can make short work out of the entire Tekken cast
-he can take on omega rugal
-he can defeat Igniz
list goes on....
😆 yep thats how it looks.
Originally posted by Sado22
you know darko, i never considered you a fanboy....but where the hell did this come from?!
maybe i'm overreacting but.....Terry lost his father to Geese, actually having to watch his foster father (his only protector then) get killed in front of his eyes, had to go through a gruelling 20 years on the streets, having to pound his own brother in a hard fought match in FF1, defeat Geese, only for him to cheapshot him after another grueling battle with the Jin Twins and steal scrolls, come after those he loves (FFRB) and then almost kill his brother (his only surviving family) in front of his eyes and then going insane and going berserker on Geese's old kiester.
on the other side you have......"oh i want to win".
what the hell? don't embarrass yourself dude. i have too much respect for you to call you a fanboy but you were tresspassing on that territory right now!
What the hell?!?!
Apparently you mistook my point... Going nuts and turning into the Hulk just to win is entirely different from being seduced by yourown dark emotions. Ryu only competed in the WWT to impress Gouken... Sagat was winning (Though not via a curbstomp like you imagine), Ryu becxame temptedby the murderous power, but unlike Terry, there is a heavy heavy price to pay for that power. Terry on the other hand, would suffer a guilty concience, and thats it.
Originally posted by Sado22
maybe.....but darkhadou bit in the SF1 fight of Ryu nad Sagat was nothing more than a retcon after they were forced to introduce Gouki due to a botched april fool's joke.....now THAT is bad writing.
I don't deny that, but I'mglad that they did 😛 however,when they make a character who never loses, andconstantly pulls shit out ofhis ass to win...thats just a littlemore than I can handle.
Originally posted by Sado22
Geese didn't take a dive. Sagat had all the advantages against Ryu. speed, power, experience, size etc. so did akuma and so did Bison.
Geese had the advantage of power and experience, but speed was in Terry's ballpark and his persistence.
also you people fail to mention how Terry has ALWAYS taken on stronger people than himself since he was a kid. Ryu didn't...and if he did he lost. taking on and defeating someone superior to him through she guts and willpower is Terry's ballpark. every fighter has his specialty. this is Terry's.
Sagat's only advantages where reach, height, weight and expereince. Power was about even,but speedand natural tallent where Ryu's. the only thing Sagat did faster was fire off Tiger Shots.
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm not arguing this with you darko. lets leave it at difference of opinion.
Very well......😐
Originally posted by Sado22
....and yet dark hadou was pestering his @$$ even two years later in SFA2 and in SFA3. i doubt he learnt his lesson since he was still struggling against it. seems he was in a dilemna for a lot more than he should have been. at least terry learnt an instant lesson...even though in his case it was more understandable than.....just obsession for victory.
As I already explained to you,the Dark Hadou is notjust about simple emotions,it's about will, it's about choice. Ryu was never trained in the use of the Messatsu techniques like Gouken and Akuma where, the Dark Hadou was occuring naturally despite Ryu's lack of knowlege, Gouken never explined to him what the Dark Hadou was, in a vain attempt to keep his students away from the temptation of power that had conquered his brother.
Originally posted by Sado22
oh and i'll get back to the rest....i have an exam in 15 mintues.
see ya. and give what i said in the beginning a little more thought.
ask yourself....does it really?
Because it's an entirely different setofcircumstances and capabilities?yes... yes it does.
why is this about terry and ryu anyway?
Apparently you mistook my point... Going nuts and turning into the Hulk just to win is entirely different from being seduced by yourown dark emotions. Ryu only competed in the WWT to impress Gouken... Sagat was winning (Though not via a curbstomp like you imagine), Ryu becxame temptedby the murderous power, but unlike Terry, there is a heavy heavy price to pay for that power. Terry on the other hand, would suffer a guilty concience, and thats it
however,when they make a character who never loses, andconstantly pulls shit out ofhis ass to win...thats just a littlemore than I can handle.
Sagat's only advantages where reach, height, weight and expereince. Power was about even,but speedand natural tallent where Ryu's. the only thing Sagat did faster was fire off Tiger Shots
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
the way i see it:
the both went berserk since they went to a mental stage where it didn't matter if their opponent was killed. terry pulled it out of his keister about as much as Ryu did. terry was seduced by the idea of killing Geese due to his hatred for him...not unlike Ryu who was seduced by the idea of winning at all costs. its not different really. the only thing is, between the two, a person going berserker after going through so much is atleast more reasonable compared to someone wnating to kill just because he was so desperate to win. seems we BOTH missed the other's point. sorry for the fanboy references then. but i hope you see what ore-sama is saying this time.
My best analergy would be though, that Ryu's urge to win didn't simply unlock more power, it wasmore like accessing the hidden power of the Dark Hadou where he was forced into making a choice. Ryu would have betrayed his masters teachings had he succumbed to the Dark Hadou, but would have dissapointed him if he had lost.
In Ryu's case it was a catch 22. Prove Akuma right and betray everything Gouken taught him, or fail in the face of his master.
I should pointout though, that Ryu's true test of his ability tochoose against the Dark Hadou came later, when he found Gouken dead at the hands of Akuma... when he sought vengence against Gouki he was sorely tempted by the Dark Hadou.
Originally posted by Sado22
terry never constantly did that. the only time he did this was in FFRB.
a little while back Shinremy was bringing up how Ryu is good because he trained with someone as good as him. that is a valid point. However, Terry fought (not trained) he actually took on stronger fighters than himself so as to improve even more. all his life, that was the one thing he did. if you want to know what Terry's "skills" are as a fighter...its is just that: willpower and guts. Terry has been taking on stronger fighters since the age of 10....and that pattern remained with him since then because he's used to fighting on bad odds.
I thought he did it3 timesto varying levels, the 2 times against Geese and the one timeagainst the Jins...
Originally posted by Sado22
i'm pretty sure Sagat was stronger. he's got an 8foot frame as opposed to ryu's 5"8 frame. not to mention Sagat is a hulking freak of nature. he's got great speed, power, experience and he's as much of a proud fighter as anyone else out there. Ryu was probably only able to hang with him due to his speed and will to win (which would eventually f him over). i'm pretty sure Ryu was being outclassed. i am tempted to use the forbidden "T" word....but...i'll pass..... 🙂
It's hard to determine who was physically stronger... Ryu did takeon someone just as big during the tourney (Birdie). Logic would pointto Sagat due to his larger stature and superior weight, but Ryu has a much higher natural energy level.b Speed works in the opposite reason, same as agility, Ryu's smaller frame enables him to move faster than Sagat can. Experienceis Sagat, but natural talent and latentabilities are Ryu'sforte, and Ryu is durable, real durable. the guy is designed for matches that go on for ages. I think the battle started going bad for Ryu towards the end, hence why he was prompted by the Dark Hadou.but it certainly wasn't a curbstomp. Sagat wouldn't have had any remorse for Ryu had he just been a weak stupid kid.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What, look sagat lost because he realeased a reckless "Tiger Genocide". Adon took advantage of this and won.
Im aware of it, i was playing with the situation. However we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Im not placing one loss against someone who was never sold and executed as high as Terry over..well, Terry.
My best analergy would be though, that Ryu's urge to win didn't simply unlock more power, it wasmore like accessing the hidden power of the Dark Hadou where he was forced into making a choice. Ryu would have betrayed his masters teachings had he succumbed to the Dark Hadou, but would have dissapointed him if he had lost.
I thought he did it3 timesto varying levels, the 2 times against Geese and the one timeagainst the Jins
as Saiki pointed out on Tiamat's faq (sorry) Ryu was beaten up pretty badly to the point that he was on his knees and losing his consciousness.....sways me to the side of "very uneven bout" to be honest. remember, Saiki actually carried out interviews with Capcom bosses so he IS reliable.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
maybe true, darko, but I'm a little skeptical. mainly cuz ryu didn't even know what happened to him. i doubt he was in a conflict that had anything to do with Gouken then since, like i said, he didn't even have a clue as to what happened to him. get my meaning?
IMO ryu's trial against dark hadou was mainly during the time he fought Akuma in SFA2 and when he finally overcame it against Bison in SFA3...especially the later since he had actually given into it hadn't it been for Fagat and the rest who knocked him back to his senses.
remember, ryu never sought out akuma for vengeance. it was never about vengeance...heck Capcom of USA admitted that they just made up that dialogue between Akuma and Ryu in SFA2 regarding when Ryu talks about "avenging his master's death" [Tiamat...sorry but that's where i found it 🙁]
so it wasn't vengeance. besides, we all know ryu's a selfcentered prick who didn't even oppose Akuma for what Gouken asked him to do, nor did he take on bison to save the world. all he cares about is himself.
The vendetta thing made sense, but it has evolved since then to determine who's path is the right one...
Originally posted by Sado22
no not really. he fought Geese in FF1 and eventually beat him. he didnt go berserker at all. he just outlasted him and scared his body thoroughly with his punches.
FF2, Terry took on Krauser and won. again no berserker.
FF3, Terry was on the recieving end against Zaki since he wasn't focused. later on after his fight with Zaki, he took on the Jin twins together but they were godtiers so he was getting pwned badly. no matter how hard he tried he was losing horribly. Geese saved him actually in a twist.......but only Geese didn't "save" him, only the Jin's powers reduced [they would retrun in FFRB as hightiers, so it is still impressive that Tery beat 2 hightiers together]. again, no berserker.
the only time he did that was agianst N.Geese.
I could have swornhe went berzerker against Krauser and normal Geese...
Originally posted by Sado22
as Saiki pointed out on Tiamat's faq (sorry) Ryu was beaten up pretty badly to the point that he was on his knees and losing his consciousness.....sways me to the side of "very uneven bout" to be honest. remember, Saiki actually carried out interviews with Capcom bosses so he IS reliable.
I still doubt it,if the fight was too one sided, then Ryu wouldn't have been able to pull out the Metsu Shoryuken, nor would he have earned Sagats respect.
Originally posted by P-GeyserWrong! Are you paying attention PG? Are you saying Kyo's never lost like Terry? Are you saying he's always beaten the boss by his gotdamn self like Terry did? You wanna take shots @ Kyo? Knock yourself out(I'd be bullsh*tting if I said he didn't deserve some), just make sure you know what you're talking about 1st.
The way Kyo beats the bossess in KOF right?
Originally posted by Sado22Nah. You said Ryu had to sneak him w/a cheapshot. If true, Sagat gets to @least save some face & keep being respected as a badass. Geese however is a guy who gets fubared no matter what. You don't need to cheat him to beat him. He's a jobber. Geese has tank w/a nuke tuned in to Terry's bodyheat signature. Terry has a slingshot w/a pebble while being drunk & having the sunlight in his eye. If the FF writers are writing this fight Geese is a deadman. That's just plain stupid. Bosses should be boss like & Godtiers should do godtier shite
i don't freaking believe you people! 😠
so wait...Ryu gets thrashed around, is turned into shotokan whipped cream after all that pounding from Sagat in SF1, goes berserk (as in mad and obsessed for victory to the point that he was even ready to kill), powers up insanely, smacks Sagat and wins.
and how is that different from what Terry did to Nightmare Geese?
lets go over it:
terry gets his ass charblasted from side of the tower to the other. gets smacked around for the entire battle. snaps, goes berserker (kinda like ryu), and turns the table on Geese. he didn't finish him in one shot, unlike Ryu in SF1. Terry just went bersrek and the fight got more even and evnetually he overwhelmed him.
this is different? how? i'll tell you people how?
its different only in the sense that unlike ryu, Terry didn't go "pfft" become godtier and finsih his godtier opponent in one move. that is how its different.
Originally posted by Sado22If Terry beat Rock, that's SNK going against the Garou hero never loses thing just to preserve Terry's monotonus win streak. That's just plain di*keatin' mane.
maybe you guys should think a little before you post such stuff. you're blaming Terry for doing something that Ryu did...only at least Terry did in a way that was somewhat respectful. Ryu does ONE MOVE to KO Sagat, after becoming godtier and somehow that isn't becoming "godtier just like that", eh emp/brain?
come on!oh wait...what about Rock Howard? and you know, Terry didn't beat Rock Howard perfect either. now THAT is taking stealing someone else's dance floor, emp.
Originally posted by Sado22He never said you did. I think PG was the one who said that. It seems to be more of a "My favorite can't lose to a guy I hate because I said so" thing w/my blood bro. He'll eventually come around to the logic though. There was a time when he said Terry could beat O.Iori, so he's at least showing some growth.🙂
he didn't, never said that...never will.
Originally posted by Sado22If you're telling the truth I apologize for not remembering. Was there mention of Terry suddenly becoming Godtier in it? Has anybody here said Ryu can beat O.Rugal? Who?
its not when he feels like it. you missed the whole point. read above, emp. it was a similar situtation to Ryu-Sagat in SF1, only tery wasn't up against a hightier...he was up against a GODtier.no he isn't. never said it. the only time Tery was a godtier was in his fight against N.Geese since he went berserker and was at a point when he didn't care if he even killed Gesee. however, it didn't take him another 5 years to realize that what he was doing was wrong. unlike Ryu. Terry's atonement came with raising rock.
see...personality!😄you wanna hear what people think ryu can do around here?
-he can beat werewolves
-he can pwn an entire cast of heroes if he is rested
-he can make short work out of the entire Tekken cast
-he can take on omega rugal
-he can defeat Igniz
list goes on....wait wait wait! you're not ACTUALLY asking me to repeat myself are you?! 😠
brainy i sent you the WHOLE damn faq! what you bitchin about now?
😉
~Sado
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero😆
😛 however,when they make a character who never loses, andconstantly pulls shit out ofhis ass to win...thats just a littlemore than I can handle.
Originally posted by brainchild81
[B]Wrong! Are you paying attention PG? Are you saying Kyo's never lost like Terry? Are you saying he's always beaten the boss by his gotdamn self like Terry did? You wanna take shots @ Kyo? Knock yourself out(I'd be bullsh*tting if I said he didn't deserve some), just make sure you know what you're talking about 1st
Paying attention? The fact is Kyo beats the bossess...even in the nest saga I believe it was he the had the last blow in. Yeah he lost to Gonutz, though that was never mentioned in the game. Kyo got beat up by O Iori though I want to check more on what happened. Kyo though usually saves the day in the end. As well he is now the KOF hero again I beleive.
He never said you did. I think PG was the one who said that. It seems to be more of a "My favorite can't lose to a guy I hate because I said so" thing w/my blood bro. He'll eventually come around to the logic though. There was a time when he said Terry could beat O.Iori, so he's at least showing some growth.🙂 [/QUOTE]
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Ah there you go again taking shots. You never cease to amaze me. Since you seem to love to jump on the fact about about me with the " my favorite cant lose O Iori sh!t" we can go back to AOF. No matter how we try to explain to you about Ryo, you just dont want to seem to here it with your Ryo sucks chants. If you can understand that then there will be some growth as well I suppose.
Originally posted by P-GeyserThat's irrelevant though. EA was talking about how Terry & ONLY Terry beat the bosses in FF(Pre Rock--No need to bring MOTW up). Kyo has been beaten & he's had help w/bosses that were still helping when the boss was beaten. Terry is always the only good guy who the boss can't f**k up. His homies get stomped on but he doesn't. EA said
Paying attention? The fact is Kyo beats the bossess...even in the nest saga I believe it was he the had the last blow in. Yeah he lost to Gonutz, though that was never mentioned in the game. Kyo got beat up by O Iori though I want to check more on what happened. Kyo though usually saves the day in the end. As well he is now the KOF hero again I beleive.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarYour reply was
[B]That doesn't chnage the fact that terry and only terry can defeats the boss while the rest of the cast is either none exsistant or fails. Read brainchilds point about zaki'.
Originally posted by P-GeyserThe answer is NO. Kyo @least shares glory in his boss battles & can lose. When has the bogarder shared victory in ANY FF (pre Rock)boss battle?
The way Kyo beats the bossess in KOF right?
Originally posted by P-Geyser😆 Relax. You know I take shots outta fun. Nothing serious. Ryo sux in terms of being a ripoff(@ least 'til I get REAL PROOF otherwise) that never should have been created. He'd get his @ss kicked by many if not all of the SF/KOF best IMO. Still seems like the only reason you say Terry can stalemate O.Iori is because you hate Iori as much as you love Terry. That's bias mane. & hatin'. O.Iori beating Terry is one thing most seem to agree on. There's no shame to be had in losing to O.Iori. It's the natural order of things. He fu*ks people up & kills folk. You often say you're not sure if Terry was helping in the fight against O.Iori. A site you pointed me to said he was. Sources say all the really tough guys were there. Are you saying you honestly don't think Terry was there? Come on PG it's time to say the sad truth. Then the healing can begin.🙂 O.Iori would put the hurt on Terry. For what it's worth, he'd beat my 3 favorite characters too🙁(not at the same time)
Ah there you go again taking shots. You never cease to amaze me. Since you seem to love to jump on the fact about about me with the " my favorite cant lose O Iori sh!t" we can go back to AOF. No matter how we try to explain to you about Ryo, you just dont want to seem to here it with your Ryo sucks chants. If you can understand that then there will be some growth as well I suppose.
Nah. You said Ryu had to sneak him w/a cheapshot. If true, Sagat gets to @least save some face & keep being respected as a badass. Geese however is a guy who gets fubared no matter what. You don't need to cheat him to beat him. He's a jobber. Geese has tank w/a nuke tuned in to Terry's bodyheat signature. Terry has a slingshot w/a pebble while being drunk & having the sunlight in his eye. If the FF writers are writing this fight Geese is a deadman. That's just plain stupid. Bosses should be boss like & Godtiers should do godtier shite
and yet, Terry going to the extreme limits of his power (going berserker) and THEN beating up a man who before that was pwning him is something that is:
-impossible
-out of question
-and pulling godtier bs out of his @$$
get real, brainyboy. get real.
Geese isn't a jobber, because geese was never presented as godtier (prior to FFRB). Geese was a tough bastard who was finally defeated by someone who is better than him: Terry. Terry is BETTER than Geese because that is what Fatal Fury is about. its the story of a man who is the BEST in his game. period. Ryu isn't the best...he aims to be it. Terry aimed at it and became the best.
you said it yourself: its not about speed, its not about power. Terry had better speed than Geese anyway. so its not really jobbing since Geese lost to someone who is better than him. besides Terry is hightier in FF anyway and so is Geese. Terry isn't midtier or lowtier. so one hightier beat another. NOT JOBBING.
3rd tier Ryu doing shoryuken to godtier Bison and blowing him to bits=JOBBING. BLATANT F'ING JOBBING.
Terry beating Geese is somewhat the same way Ken beat a man who is better than him: Ryu. only Terry beat a man and became the best. its like how someone becomes the champ: you beat the best to become the best. FF is the story of a man who becomes the best...and the rest of the FF (till MOTW) are about how he stays on top.
MOTW is about passing the torch...which he did since Rock is the new hero, and happend to hold his own against terry.
If Terry beat Rock, that's SNK going against the Garou hero never loses thing just to preserve Terry's monotonus win streak. That's just plain di*keatin' mane.
If you're telling the truth I apologize for not remembering. Was there mention of Terry suddenly becoming Godtier in it? Has anybody here said Ryu can beat O.Rugal? Who?
and for the record
-remulus insists that no boss in KoF is at the level of Bison or Akuma
-Darko insists that ryu&ken can take on the Orochi New Face team, despite the fact that it took the entire KoF97 cast to finally subdue them
-darko insists that Ryu can take on Omega Rugal, agian something that was pounding the entire cast of KoF95 (except Iori)
-remulus insists....whole lot other things so nevermind him
-shinremy claims that Bison having been beaten by 13 dolls isn't as bad as Omega Rugal who was pwning the entire cast of KoF95
list goes on brain. it know my one paragraph bit about Terry and Geese is pointless but i gave it a try anyway...for the sake of old times. 😄
~Sado
Terry can turn into a beserker now, Gay.
Also, Ryu only performed a shoryuken on bison in his ending where he kills bsion with it. We knnow that never happens because bison fight's several other people afterwards and it specifically stated that a combination of: Ryu,Ken, Sagat, and Sakura pushed him back.
& Sado talks of me making him repeat himself. This Bison stuff just doesn't seem to be sinking in w/him EA. & Sado you should quote them on these things. Nice job of side stepping my question too. Was there mention of Terry suddenly becoming Godtier in this FAQ?
Rock & Terry could also have stalemated or just not fought. If Terry beat him, the hero always wins rule was broken for Terry. Di*keatin supreme. The Terry always wins shite has been done to f**king death mane. Also is there some good news about the specifics of that fight on the anniversary site? My computer can't translate the shite there. I still think Rock didn't lose.
I can't see O.Rugal losing to Ryu(If he was still alive). Maybe someday, not now. Geese = dead. Rugal = dead. Ripoff Suckassaki = still alive. FU*K you SNK!
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarDude's one of the most original but poorly written characters ever mane. I'm telling you, he's Hulk Hogan......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................BROTHER!!!!!!
Terry can turn into a beserker now, Gay.