Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
How much layers does he need, Sado? The guy is already the main character, and is fairly well developed at the expense of the cast. They could have made him a little effor t to let someone else shine.
How long has it been since Terry has shined Emp?....in cas you have not noticed playmore is all about Flameusers shining.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
How long has it been since Terry has shined Emp?....in cas you have not noticed playmore is all about Flameusers shining.
Doesn't matter how long it's been, as long as Fatal Fury gme comes out he will always shine. Why do you always bring up the flamers when were talking about terry, this has nothing to do with KOF.
Originally posted by Sado22
like ryu did for alex? 🙂
Ryu, didn't steal the spot light, he just beat alex up. Alex won the Third World Warrior Tournament and pretty much had the story revolving around him. Ryu, did nothing of intrest in Street Fighter 3 except inspire alex to become a Street Fighter.
Doesn't matter how long it's been, as long as Fatal Fury gme comes out he will always shine. Why do you always bring up the flamers when were talking about terry, this has nothing to do with KOF.
MOTW was about Rock. Terry didn't win the tourny. Rock won. Heck so far from what I've seen, Terry isn't even confirmed to have beaten Rock in the MOTW tourny.
[the only people who seem to say this was KLantis in one of his FF guides, and I've already stated that I don't particularly trust lantis. there was another FAQ that pointed out that Terry has a special winpose against Rock while Rock doesn't..........sometime back i even read on this fan's blog who was insisting that terry took a dive for rock so that Rock could find out about his lineage].
Rock won MOTW without any excuses or luck factor. he won it on mettle.
Alex won it after not even having to go through, Ryu, Ken, Oro and have Gill take a dive for him. and when all that isn't bad enough, Alex gets raped by Ryu perfect. fact of the matter is emp, between Rock and Alex, Rock has shown some mettle. All alex has shown is that he has a great luck. again i'm not saying Alex should have beaten Ryu...but if you wanna talk about "shining" and "Stealing thunder" then Ryu does all of that by stealing Alex's show.
Rock won it after ploughing his way through all those characters and finally facing off with a man who could very well be inpar with Geese...or nearby at any rate. the only luck factor is that Terry was out of steam after his fight with Grant (which happened either after he defeated rock or before rock-terry could even start their fight).
and all this is stealing the show? please.
Ditto & no "rules" were broken since SF doesn't have a "Hero always wins no matter what policy"
in SFA2 we have no idea who won between Bison and Ryu. Ryu happens to be one of the 4 people who make bison retreat in SFA3. Ryu is one of the 3 most likely winners of SF2. Ryu's only confirmed loss in a tournament is to a godtier.....and you're trying to prove that Terry is jobwhore because he was the member of the cast who put out the likes of Omega Rugal, Igniz and Orochi out of commission...........only in his case it wasn't four people doing it but anywwhere from 20 to 30.
so again I ask you emp (and brainy, if you have genuine answer for once 😉 ):
-how is his darkhadou routine in SF1 different from Terry in a REAL life and death situation of FFRB?
-how is ryu's hulk up and make godtier retreat routine different from Terry and Geese in FFRB?
-how is terry hoging light from new heroes when he hasn't been the main character of an SNK game since 1996.
no sugar coating. I want crisp, real, genuine answers. I'm kinda irate when i see people blaming terry for all the things ryu does.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
he's got a point emperor. the last FF came out was in 99....and that was about a game that didn't have much to do with Terry.
Yet, Terry was still there beating bosses I.E. Grant? I could careless about KOF, but bringing it up seems like a way to avoid giving me a legitimate response.
Originally posted by Sado22
and yet all Capcom versus games have ryu getting a lap dance by Capcom. be Xmen VS SF, MArvel VS SF, CvsS, CvsS2, SvsC, MvsC, MvsC2...heck they were on his lap even in CvsNamco...a game that wasn't even a fighting game.
who was the leading guy in CvsS from SNK? what about cvss2? what about battlecolleisum? what about svsC? the only time Terry was leading SNK was in Cardfighters clash.
C'mon, Sado half the games you named came out in the mid- 90's and there old as hell just like FF. Not to mention that none of said games had Ryu as a main character with the exception of CVS 1&2 where he shared it with KYO. The rest had no main character what so ever.
Originally posted by Sado22MOTW was about Rock. Terry didn't win the tourny. Rock won. Heck so far from what I've seen, Terry isn't even confirmed to have beaten Rock in the MOTW tourny.
Yet, Terry fought Grant, and still had a part in the major storyline. You seem to be implying that Terry was completely uninvolved in MOTW.
Originally posted by Sado22
Rock won MOTW without any excuses or luck factor. he won it on mettle.
Alex won it after not even having to go through, Ryu, Ken, Oro and have Gill take a dive for him. and when all that isn't bad enough, Alex gets raped by Ryu perfect. fact of the matter is emp, between Rock and Alex, Rock has shown some mettle.
It has nothing to do with mettle, it's that stupid SNK policy of the hero must always win. Which Capcom (Thank God) chooses not to follow.
And, alex has shown mettle when he won a Vale Tudo match against one of the strongest Street Fighters Balrog/Mike Bison. Just because Capcom actually cares about maintaining the dignity of Street Fighters supporting cast doesn't mean Alex has no mettle. Like I said several times, Alex beating Ryu is bad writing.
Originally posted by Sado22
All alex has shown is that he has a great luck. again i'm not saying Alex should have beaten Ryu...but if you wanna talk about "shining" and "Stealing thunder" then Ryu does all of that by stealing Alex's show.
How does he steal his show when he has absolutey no involvement in the main plot what so ever? Hell, Ryu Vs Alex was a plot device which only had one purpse. It was to initiate Alex into the world of Street fighting. Ryu, has no involvement in Street Fighter 3's main plot none of the veteran Fighters do, Compare that to Terry in Garou. Hell, Terry was the only returning character, VS Ryu who wasn't even supposed to be in the game.
Originally posted by Sado22Stop right there, That is very bad writing.
Rock won it after ploughing his way through all those characters. . .
Originally posted by Sado22
sure....and pulling the darkhadou out of his @$$ has nothing to do with "hero has to win policy" right?
Considering I explained that Satsu No Hadou was not random, it came out before the alpha series. It was given an adequate explanation in alpha and effected the entire continuity of Street Fighter. I wish I could say the same for beserker Terry which did nothing, but add more layers to an already over exposed main character. Also, Ryu winning one tournament is not a "Hero always wins Policy" considering they explained some of his fights, and Evil Ryu was the one who one the match not Ryu.
Originally posted by Sado22
and then after an epiphany becoming so strong that he forces Bison to retreat though a while back he was pwned despite all his efforts...........and both of these cases are very unlike Berserker Terry because....?
That never happened, sado. Why do you keep bringing it up?
It took: Sagat, Ryu, Ken, and sakura to just push him back Vs Beserker Terry coming out of the blue with no adequate explanation what so ever owning a boss as usual.
Originally posted by Sado22
emp, you asked for character development and i gave a thesis on the development Terry got from it. [B]ryu did squat after he entered dark hadou. he tore sagat open, went home, "oh...master is dead...now i must go on my journey to become strongest", finds akuma, and (according to darko) beats him, nothing happens storywise since he is still confused, meets bison, gets pwned, gives into the darkside, is saved by a timely rescue by Sakura ken and sagat, does the hulk hogan routine and smacks Bison and forces him to retreat after a shoryuken and pfft.....hes same old ryu for the next 7 years till SF3 where he does nothing hog the show from Alex.[/B]
Here we go again, so despite the fact it changed the entire plot of Street Fighter. Satsu No Hadou did squat?! okay sado when you decide to stop minimalizing Ryu's achievements and Over-Hyping Terry's we can continue. I'm stopping here since it's pointless to really continue.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It has nothing to do with mettle, it's that stupid SNK policy of the hero must always win. Which Capcom (Thank God) chooses not to follow.
Technically, Capcom does follow that rule, only difference is that unlike Kyo Kusanagi, who wins the KOF tournaments via the damned plot device, the winners of the Street Fighter Tournaments are people other than Ryu.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarI like Terry, one of the best but berserk Terry is dumb.
King Nothing, what's your opinion of berserk terry?
1.Why is it all of a sudden he goes berserk? That made no sense to me.
2. There was no real struggle, he went berserk and beat Geese then quickly got unberserk never to be seen berserk again, as if SNK just had to find a way for Terry to defeat Geese. I don't really see that as character development, not to mention he wasn't even playable.
3. I love SNK like a close friend but they are really overdoing this berserk/evil/true form thing, rather it be in game or story wise. It seems like every SNK character has another damn form or version of them selves, you can make a game with a nice roster just off of other character forms alone.
Terry really doesn't need to go crazy or transform. The plain old jobbing would've been better, IMO. Or at least they could've had everyone jump Geese and kill him rather then always finding ways for Terry to solo Geese.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Doesn't matter how long it's been, as long as Fatal Fury gme comes out he will always shine. Why do you always bring up the flamers when were talking about terry, this has nothing to do with KOF.
I bring it up BECAUSE KOF IS THE ONLY THING PLAYMORE PUMPS OUT.
I BRING IT UP BECAUSE, the character of Terry Bogard has not shined in awhile and there is no more FF games PERIOD. The closest thing would be if they made another MOTW'S 2 and guess what.. it would most likley be about Rock shining not Terry.
You guys act like Terry is shining now as we speak for f**ks sake. The flameboys are still shining way more than Terry.
I like Terry just as much as the flame users and to be honest, I would really like it if he got more show, but It wouldn't be right if Terry just comes along and takes his shine back after Kyo has had it for so long.
Terry's turn is over and Kyo should take a back seat as well. Let's make another great hero character, SNK Playmore. Even Ryu had to sit his ass down. The only reason he's even in SF 3 is because the fans wanted it.
Rock should have the KOF spotlight now. I used to have so much respect for SNK character design. They've been coming up w/bullsh*t since Ash though. I'm not sure if they've got "it" anymore they try something new & we get the Mieras. 😘
Originally posted by Sado22These are questions you already know the answers to mane. Or @ least this one is. Ryu basically cheated. Sagat gets to keeps some dignity cause the fact that Ryu had to cheapshot the mofo means his badass factor doesn't go down. I've said this b4. Geese just gets his ass kicked 🙁 All the time
so again I ask you emp (and brainy, if you have genuine answer for once 😉 ):
-how is his darkhadou routine in SF1 different from Terry in a REAL life and death situation of FFRB?
Originally posted by Sado22Terry have help? Ryu have help?
-how is ryu's hulk up and make godtier retreat routine different from Terry and Geese in FFRB?
Originally posted by Sado22You misunderstand again. What I've said is he hogged the FF spotlight pre-rock. He did. MOTW is still up in the air until results are confirmed. Of course Terry doesn't hog the spotlight nowadays, otherwise my bloodbro would love KOF🙂
-how is terry hoging light from new heroes when he hasn't been the main character of an SNK game since 1996.
Originally posted by Sado22😆It's not that serious. You only see that 'cuz ya ain't payin' attention mane. Ryu ain't been made out to be unbeatable while everybody else does nothing but get beaten.
no sugar coating. I want crisp, real, genuine answers. I'm kinda irate when i see people blaming terry for all the things ryu does.
Yet, Terry was still there beating bosses I.E. Grant? I could careless about KOF, but bringing it up seems like a way to avoid giving me a legitimate response.
C'mon, Sado half the games you named came out in the mid- 90's and there old as hell just like FF. Not to mention that none of said games had Ryu as a main character with the exception of CVS 1&2 where he shared it with KYO. The rest had no main character what so ever.
Yet, Terry fought Grant, and still had a part in the major storyline. You seem to be implying that Terry was completely uninvolved in MOTW.
It has nothing to do with mettle, it's that stupid SNK policy of the hero must always win. Which Capcom (Thank God) chooses not to follow.
And, alex has shown mettle when he won a Vale Tudo match against one of the strongest Street Fighters Balrog/Mike Bison. Just because Capcom actually cares about maintaining the dignity of Street Fighters supporting cast doesn't mean Alex has no mettle. Like I said several times, Alex beating Ryu is bad writing.
and that reminds me: who raped Sean in the qaulifying rounds and who raped him later on in SF3 3rd strike too?
seems the SF'ers have a bad habit of trampling all over their newer generations. Terry gracefully stepped aside and let the likes of Kyo, Rock, K' and ash take his floor. Ken and Ryu are not only pwning the newer generation perfect. Heck Ryu even kept on smacking Sean around with the same move umpteenth time in the row.
*before you start. not asking for ryu to lose to sean either*
How does he steal his show when he has absolutey no involvement in the main plot what so ever? Hell, Ryu Vs Alex was a plot device which only had one purpse. It was to initiate Alex into the world of Street fighting. Ryu, has no involvement in Street Fighter 3's main plot none of the veteran Fighters do, Compare that to Terry in Garou. Hell, Terry was the only returning character, VS Ryu who wasn't even supposed to be in the game
the only involvement terry has in the plot is that 10 years ago he killed the hero's father and is atoning for it. oh and he beat Kain's lackey. hardly qualifies as stealing the show.
Ryu wasn't supposed to be in the game, i know. and what does that mean? squat. fact of the matter is:
-he is there
-he went up till the quarter finals where he was only defeated by a godtier freak of nature...otherwise he would have atleast made it to the finals (since alex was shown to be equal to his left nut in 3rd strike)
Stop right there, That is very bad writing
Considering I explained that Satsu No Hadou was not random, it came out before the alpha series. It was given an adequate explanation in alpha and effected the entire continuity of Street Fighter. I wish I could say the same for beserker Terry which did nothing, but add more layers to an already over exposed main character. Also, Ryu winning one tournament is not a "Hero always wins Policy" considering they explained some of his fights, and Evil Ryu was the one who one the match not Ryu.
in FFRB what happesn:
-Terry (and possibly Andy) confront Geese
-Geese has all the power of the scrolls except hte immortality bit which was the last part of the scroll
-Terry fights him
-Geese is smacking him around royally
-Andy almost dies when he is about to fall from the building courtesy geese
-Terry goes berserk and now wants to kill Geese (after all the suffering he has caused him)
-does triple geyser and kncoks him off the building with it
and how is this different. wait so what, Ryu saw the light and his epiphany made him stronger now? how is that NOT pulling something out of his keister? if terry pulled something out of his @$$ in FFRB then Ryu is as much guilty of doing the same in SFA3 and even in SF1.
heck even darkhadou is lame IMO. he wants to win and he taps into his darkside. how lame. berserker terry is lame too...but atleast it'll make more sense for him since he suffered 10x more because of Geese than ryu ever did with Sagat (who barely knew each other). sagat didn't kill gouken, nor did he make ryu an orphan, or force him on the streets, or ruin his life, or make him stay on those streets for 10 years or have everyone he cares about (if there is someone ryu actually cares about) be threatened and having to watch his only remaining family get killed. ryu didn't go through any of that....and yet taps into his dark side. but that's okay. terry does the same after going through all of that...and its totally unacceptable.
unfair.
That never happened, sado. Why do you keep bringing it up?
It took: Sagat, Ryu, Ken, and sakura to just push him back Vs Beserker Terry coming out of the blue with no adequate explanation what so ever owning a boss as usual.
Here we go again, so despite the fact it changed the entire plot of Street Fighter. Satsu No Hadou did squat?! okay sado when you decide to stop minimalizing Ryu's achievements and Over-Hyping Terry's we can continue. I'm stopping here since it's pointless to really continue.
These are questions you already know the answers to mane. Or @ least this one is. Ryu basically cheated. Sagat gets to keeps some dignity cause the fact that Ryu had to cheapshot the mofo means his badass factor doesn't go down. I've said this b4. Geese just gets his ass kicked All the time
Terry have help? Ryu have help?
You misunderstand again. What I've said is he hogged the FF spotlight pre-rock. He did. MOTW is still up in the air until results are confirmed. Of course Terry doesn't hog the spotlight nowadays, otherwise my bloodbro would love KOF
oh and PG would like KoF were Kyo not such a lazy, lucky, amassing sphere of naturally abundant talent. THAT is what PG really has a problem with. so who is misunderstanding now? 🙂
MOTW has confirmed results. Rock won it. this isn't SF where people don't even know who wins.
Ryu ain't been made out to be unbeatable while everybody else does nothing but get beaten.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
the boss of MOTW is not grant emperor and its not even like you didn't know that. so why play the ignorant one. Kain R Heilein is the main badguy, the mastermind and the main antagonist of MOTW. terry beat a mere underling. he beat his flunkie. who beat the badguy? that's right: Rock Howard did.
Doesnt matter, Grant wasa mid boss... thats alotofexposure right there.
Originally posted by Sado22
all the more reasonable to bring them up. Ryu has been the main character in all these games, old or new. while Terry was only leading in ONE game....and in that he was sharing it with Ryu.
you concede now?
I think you missed it... he said that Ryu WASN'T the main man in any of the games, Maybe in CVS1 & 2, but thats a dubious judgement...
Originally posted by Sado22
and that reminds me: who raped Sean in the qaulifying rounds and who raped him later on in SF3 3rd strike too?
seems the SF'ers have a bad habit of trampling all over their newer generations. Terry gracefully stepped aside and let the likes of Kyo, Rock, K' and ash take his floor. Ken and Ryu are not only pwning the newer generation perfect. Heck Ryu even kept on smacking Sean around with the same move umpteenth time in the row.
*before you start. not asking for ryu to lose to sean either*
Sean is an exeption dueto hisdirect connection to the Ansatsuken users via Ken being his teacher... Sean wanted to try and beat Ryu so he deserved that spanking.
Originally posted by Sado22
your explanation for dark hadou was good and I understand what you mean. my point is this though...how is the incident with Bison and Ryu (after sagat smacked him) different from what Terry did to Geese. I'll list the SFA3 bit and correct me if i am wrong:
-Bison finds Ryu
-they fight and Bison beats him despite ryu's efforts
-ryu loses
-Bison starts the whamo
-Sagat and co interfere
-Sagat pwns Pscyho Ryu
-Ryu gets up and hits bison with the shoryuken that either blew him up, or made him retreat at any rate
you missed several factors reguarding Bison...
-Bison was weakened due to his fights with Ken, Sakura, Charlie, Guile and the dolls.
-The Psycho Drive was destroyed, and his already dying body was forced to absorb the full brunt of the Drives escaped energy.
-When Ryu performed the Shoryuken, it detonated this exess energy causing Bison to self destruct.
Originally posted by Sado22
and how is this different. wait so what, Ryu saw the light and his epiphany made him stronger now? how is that NOT pulling something out of his keister? if terry pulled something out of his @$$ in FFRB then Ryu is as much guilty of doing the same in SFA3 and even in SF1.
Wrong... the Sagat fight was the only time, AND the Bison affair had many MANY factors attached to it,m rendering any argument about that part useless.
Originally posted by Sado22
heck even darkhadou is lame IMO. he wants to win and he taps into his darkside. how lame. berserker terry is lame too...but atleast it'll make more sense for him since he suffered 10x more because of Geese than ryu ever did with Sagat (who barely knew each other). sagat didn't kill gouken, nor did he make ryu an orphan, or force him on the streets, or ruin his life, or make him stay on those streets for 10 years or have everyone he cares about (if there is someone ryu actually cares about) be threatened and having to watch his only remaining family get killed. ryu didn't go through any of that....and yet taps into his dark side. but that's okay. terry does the same after going through all of that...and its totally unacceptable.
unfair.
Noneof that is relevant, Ryu was TEMPTED by his dark side... he didn't call on it... and the fact that is was actually a natural reaction made it more profound, since he wasn't trained in the Messatsu Arts. Terry on the other hand somehow gets more power from being pissed off... THATS an incredible Hulk trait...
Originally posted by Sado22
i read that at tiamat's🙁
and darko even insists that it was the thing that blew him up.
I explained why I beleiveitto be soalready...
Originally posted by Sado22
from tiamat's, the way i see it:
ryu does ONE regular move to push away a godtier versus terry going berserker and turn the tide and then do a move that happened to push Geese off the tower and then fall down to his death.
Not a regular move, and it has special circumstances attached... Ryu destroying Bison is actually considered a plotconvenianceunder these circumstances, but it's certainly not jobbing.
Originally posted by Sado22
no need to go crazy! you misunderstood me.
darkhadou has become irreleveant since SFA3 hasn't it? that's what i meant. SF1 with the retcon story includes it. SFA2 Ryu fights akuma and trying to understand what happened to him in SF1. SFA3 he confronts bison and overcomes it after a hulk hogan routine. come SF2 and it has nothing to do with the plot. SF3 and its almost non-existant. sf3 3rd strike....nada.
get my point?
SF2 has Akuma appearing to challenge Ryu a 2nd time... perhaps to signify that Ryu no longer needs the dark Hadou... choosing thepath of his master rather than Akuma's path.
3rd Strike... Ryu's demonstrated that he can acheive all the strength and power thatAkuma can wield without the need to destroy...
Originally posted by Sado22
when ryu pwned Bison with that punch, sagat, sakura and ken were more like cheerleaders than anything else. HOGAN ROUTINE. i bet after the match he went around the cliff and did the posing too😄
What? that requires proof... THEY where fighting just as much as Ryu was.
Originally posted by Sado22
Terry won FF1 and FF2. FFRB he won.
FF3 he gets pwned and literally had his keister saved by Geese in more ways than one. hon fu came to his rescue agaisnt Zaki of all people. MOTW he practically had nothing to do with it. FFRB2 and FFRBS are noncanon. FFRBDM is noncanon too. FFS is noncanon....and that's hoging? so tell me: ryu being the hero in SvsC, cvsS, CvsS2, Xmen vs SF, M vs SF, MvsC, MvsC2, CFAS is not hogging spotlight. please.
oh and i asked you to answer this to me but you didn't and neither did emperor:
-ryu won SF1
-Ryu is one of the most likely winners of SF2
-Ryu only lost in SF3 cuz he was up against a godtier oro
Forone, all those non-canon games have no heroes... NONE...
For two... is Terry still undefeated? Yes... Why? Hero must always win Gaymore policy says so.
Doesnt matter, Grant wasa mid boss... thats alotofexposure right there
I think you missed it... he said that Ryu WASN'T the main man in any of the games, Maybe in CVS1 & 2, but thats a dubious judgement
you were saying...?
Sean is an exeption dueto hisdirect connection to the Ansatsuken users via Ken being his teacher... Sean wanted to try and beat Ryu so he deserved that spanking
Rock wants to surpass Terry and beat him to know his lineage. Ryu barely knows Sean.
who is smacking newer generation left and right now? who is stealing the show?
Bison was weakened due to his fights with Ken, Sakura, Charlie, Guile and the dolls.
The Psycho Drive was destroyed, and his already dying body was forced to absorb the full brunt of the Drives escaped energy.
When Ryu performed the Shoryuken, it detonated this exess energy causing Bison to self destruct.
Wrong... the Sagat fight was the only time, AND the Bison affair had many MANY factors attached to it,m rendering any argument about that part useless
as for the Sagat fight. all i want is for you guys to give me ONE reason why pulling the satsui no hadou is not pulling something out of his @$$ and Terry going berserker is.
it advanced story? not an explanation really. more like a copout.
i want a proper explanation.
fact of the matter is both of them, at a moment of true hatred/desperation tapped into their darker sides. Capcom only happend to have a name for it.
Noneof that is relevant, Ryu was TEMPTED by his dark side... he didn't call on it... and the fact that is was actually a natural reaction made it more profound, since he wasn't trained in the Messatsu Arts. Terry on the other hand somehow gets more power from being pissed off... THATS an incredible Hulk trait...
For two... is Terry still undefeated? Yes... Why? Hero must always win Gaymore policy says so.
~Sado