Sagat vs Geese Howard

Sado, Ryu is not the main character of any versus really. He's simply at the cover because he's the Trade Mark of the Street Fighter franchise. There is no real plot in any of the versus, so how can he be a main character? Not, to mention all those examples you named feature Ryu sharing the spot light with another trademark character.

-Compare that to Terry who's been in the spotlight of every Fatal Fury instead of Garou at the expense of the cast. It's no wonder the cast of Fatal Fury are considered nobodies and jobbers. They get owned at Terry's expense. Do you actually expect them to win a versus match in this forum? Terry beatigg Grant is a huge deal, you mmay not want to see it, but Grant is still a major player in the plot. Ryu, hasn't even met a major player in the SF plot with the exception of Alex. Like I said, Ryu's fight with Alex was a plot device for the future. Prior to meeting Ryu, Alex was a naive fighter. He believed his mentor/Trainer tom was unbeatable. Hell, after Tom fought Gill and lost, Alex wanted revenge despite Tom telling him he lost Fair & Square.

-Also, Terry never gave way for the flamers in KOF, since KOF's continuity completely ignores that of every other game. Hell, Terry never gets any mention in KOF at all. So, there is really no point in bringing that up.

-Oro is less important to the plot as Necro, So, no point in mentioning him.

Originally posted by Sado22

at either rate, Rock advanced in the tourny without excuses. Alex advanced in the tourny through dumb luck, or good karma or whatever you wanna call it. face the facts.
Ken=never faced him
Ryu=never faced him
Oro=never faced him
Gill=took a dive for him

Because Capcom actually gives a hoot about there supporting cast. No, point in having a cast job just to make the main character look cool.

Originally posted by Sado22

heck even darkhadou is lame IMO. he wants to win and he taps into his darkside. how lame. berserker terry is lame too...but atleast it'll make more sense for him since he suffered 10x more because of Geese than ryu ever did with Sagat (who barely knew each other).

Originally posted by Sado22

your explanation for dark hadou was good and I understand what you mean. my point is this though...how is the incident with Bison and Ryu (after sagat smacked him) different from what Terry did to Geese. I'll list the SFA3 bit and correct me if i am wrong:
-Bison finds Ryu
-they fight and Bison beats him despite ryu's efforts
-ryu loses
-Bison starts the whamo
-Sagat and co interfere
-Sagat pwns Pscyho Ryu
-Ryu gets up and hits bison with the shoryuken that either blew him up, or made him retreat at any rate

Sado, that never happned so why bring it up all the time?
Ryu, never single handley pushed back bsion, ever. That's from his stupid non-canon ending, where he kills bison. We know Ryu never killed bison, so therefore that scenerio is out of the question.

Originally posted by Sado22

and how is this different. wait so what, Ryu saw the light and his epiphany made him stronger now? how is that NOT pulling something out
of his keister? if terry pulled something out of his @$$ in FFRB then Ryu is as much guilty of doing the same in SFA3 and even in SF1.

Your misinterperting the scenerio, Bsion wanted Ryu to submitt to his Dark side. the reason being was that it would simutaniously allow Ryu to give into psycho power. When Ryu realized this through Sagats help (Notice that he has help, unlike Terry) he decides to that a win is not worth killing, and finally gives up Satsu No Hadou just like how Gouken doesn't use Satsu No Hadou. Toghether, sagat, Ryu, Ken, and Sakura manage to push bison back.

Originally posted by Sado22

no need to go crazy! you misunderstood me.
darkhadou has become irreleveant since SFA3 hasn't it? that's what i meant. SF1 with the retcon story includes it. SFA2 Ryu fights akuma and trying to understand what happened to him in SF1. SFA3 he confronts bison and overcomes it after a hulk hogan routine. come SF2 and it has nothing to do with the plot. SF3 and its almost non-existant. sf3 3rd strike....nada.
get my point?

It took 3 games for this to happen versus berserker Terry which only appears once, only effects Terry and disappears as fast as it appears.

Originally posted by Sado22

Terry won FF1 and FF2. FFRB he won.
FF3 he gets pwned and literally had his keister saved by Geese in more ways than one. hon fu came to his rescue agaisnt Zaki of all people. MOTW he practically had nothing to do with it. FFRB2 and FFRBS are noncanon. FFRBDM is noncanon too. FFS is noncanon....and that's hoging? so tell me: ryu being the hero in SvsC, cvsS, CvsS2, Xmen vs SF, M vs SF, MvsC, MvsC2, CFAS is not hogging spotlight. please.
oh and i asked you to answer this to me but you didn't and neither did emperor:
-ryu won SF1
-Ryu is one of the most likely winners of SF2
-Ryu only lost in SF3 cuz he was up against
a godtier oro

Originally posted by Sado22

MOTW has confirmed results. Rock won it. this isn't SF where people don't even know who wins.
~Sado

I must also say, Rock never had to face in FF vets (because there aint any in GMOTW) while there are a few vets in in 3rd Strike.

Terry is the only Vet in FF, since everyone else sucks.

Originally posted by King Nothing
I like Terry just as much as the flame users and to be honest, I would really like it if he got more show, but It wouldn't be right if Terry just comes along and takes his shine back after Kyo has had it for so long.

Terry's turn is over and Kyo should take a back seat as well. Let's make another great hero character, SNK Playmore. Even Ryu had to sit his ass down. The only reason he's even in SF 3 is because the fans wanted it.

I agree but somehow Kyo gets to be the main man and the hero again and to me that sucks.

So, Terry's exempt because those games are non-canon, but Ryu's still guilty of being over exposed. Despite the fact all thos games you named are non-canon cross overs where he shared the spot light and there was no plot? Your really pushing it Sado, this is what I mean.

as opposed to all those capcom games. understand?

~Sado

Ryu & Kyo are the main guys for their respective companies. Luckily, neither one of them has a "I can't be defeated.........ever" rule put in place to save them from asswhoopins

what has Ryu to do in this topic ?

Those are none canon games Sado, and he's sharing the spot light. Not to mention the only reason he's in those games is because he's the Trade Mark Street Fighter. Non-canon games aside, Ryu hasn't been the main character since the first Street Fighter which came out in 1987. That's 19 years ago!

that's what I'm saying: ryu gets the attention for being the posterboy and is hence almost always the mainguy or the main protagonist.

Also emperor, you're ignoring SFA2 and SFA3 both of which heavily relied on Ryu. SFA3 came out in 1998 if i remember correct.
The last FF (prior to MOTW) was non-canon FFRBS was in 1996. SFA3 was canon.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
that's what I'm saying: ryu gets the attention for being the posterboy and is hence almost always the mainguy or the main protagonist.

Originally posted by Sado22

Also emperor, you're ignoring SFA2 and SFA3 both of which heavily relied on Ryu. SFA3 came out in 1998 if i remember correct.
The last FF (prior to MOTW) was non-canon FFRBS was in 1996. SFA3 was canon.

~Sado

1)Alpha had no central story or a main character, everyone was simply doing there own thing. Especially Alpha 2 where every character had there own boss.

2) If your using that canon argument, than stop bringing up versus games.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]Being a poster boy doesn't make you a main character, sado. Kyo is the poster boy of KOF, yet hasn't been the main character for a while. Ash is the main character now.

Though Ash is a villian. Playmore revived the damn orochi story, so it will most likley be Kyo as the main man pounding Ash into dust.

Kyo IS the main character of this saga.

Originally posted by Sado22
Kyo IS the main character of this saga.

No, he isn't, Ash is since he was in the hero team.

Kyo is the main character since Ash is actually the villain.

~Sado

Kyo is not the main character, Sado. He's not on the hero team, he's till in the main story, but not the main character.

Ash is both the protagonist and the antagonist.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Sado, that never happned so why bring it up all the time?
Ryu, never single handley pushed back bsion, ever. That's from his stupid non-canon ending, where he kills bison. We know Ryu never killed bison, so therefore that scenerio is out of the question.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree withyouon this point emp...

That act was supported by two other confirmed cannon endings (Namely, Sagat's and Sakura's endings)

I already conceded that point though.

I'm leaning towards geese, but it's close.