Originally posted by LordKaos
The questions marks were real questions with a preemptive answer, you answered the question I thank you, but then again those are merely your assumptions.
Everything I've said is straight from Comics, no assumptions.
If you want the scans, I'll post them.
Originally posted by LordKaos
The alignment is natural, but the Matrix itself is the the outcome of the alignment not the other way around.
The Matrix is Natural aswell, it's created when the Alignment takes place.
Originally posted by LordKaos
The Phoenix force was used to project that lighthouse through tout the omniverse (never once did I mention multiverse) so that the power of the alignment (the matrix) could be permanent.
You didn't mention Multiverse once,
but it was the Multiverse anyway:
Phoenix had nothing to do with the "power" of the Alignment.
Phoenix projected one Tower VIA the Alignment across the Multiverse, the Matrix that forms on it's own and sustains it's own Energies, became permanent because of this.
The UN has nothing to do with any of this,
and Phoenix has nothing to do with the Power of Matrix.
Originally posted by LordKaos
I'm fully aware of the various nexus points in the MU, but for this argument they are irrelevant.
Actually it's quite relevant,
especially when you claimed without the Matrix the UN can only affect a limited area.
You said this because you initially thought the Matrix was what connected the Multiverse.
Originally posted by LordKaos
The Phoenix did create at least jack as it's power was needed to create the "doorway" as you call it.
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says
"when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged...
to Create an Energy Matrix."
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...
and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...
AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower"
a less than monumental feat ... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.
Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Everything I've said is straight from Comics, no assumptions.If you want the scans, I'll post them.
The Matrix is Natural aswell, it's created when the Alignment takes place.
You didn't mention Multiverse once,
but it was the Multiverse anyway:
Phoenix had nothing to do with the "power" of the Alignment.
Phoenix projected one Tower VIA the Alignment across the Multiverse, the Matrix that forms on it's own and sustains it's own Energies, became permanent because of this.
The UN has nothing to do with any of this,
and Phoenix has nothing to do with the Power of Matrix.
Actually it's quite relevant,
especially when you claimed without the Matrix the UN can only affect a limited area.
You said this because you initially thought the Matrix was what connected the Multiverse.
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says
"when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged...
to Create an Energy Matrix."
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...
and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...
AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower"
a less than monumental feat ... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.
Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.
you say duplicated but oddly enough thats not the same story the scan tell it actually says the force projected the tower's essence throughout the entire multiverse so that it exists on every plane of reality simultaneously and actually that is a great feat. considering it couldn't have been done any other way.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Everything I've said is straight from Comics, no assumptions.If you want the scans, I'll post them.
The Matrix is Natural aswell, it's created when the Alignment takes place.
You didn't mention Multiverse once,
but it was the Multiverse anyway:
Phoenix had nothing to do with the "power" of the Alignment.
Phoenix projected one Tower VIA the Alignment across the Multiverse, the Matrix that forms on it's own and sustains it's own Energies, became permanent because of this.
The UN has nothing to do with any of this,
and Phoenix has nothing to do with the Power of Matrix.
Actually it's quite relevant,
especially when you claimed without the Matrix the UN can only affect a limited area.
You said this because you initially thought the Matrix was what connected the Multiverse.
This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:
It clearly says
"when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged...
to Create an Energy Matrix."
The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN...
and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...
AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower"
a less than monumental feat ... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....
Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.
Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.
Originally posted by citannah17
you say duplicated but oddly enough thats not the same story the scan tell it actually says the force projected the tower's essence throughout the entire multiverse so that it exists on every plane of reality simultaneously and
VIA the Interface Alignment,
which allows simultaneous existence across Realities 🙂
Without the Alignment ... No Feat could have been performed.
Originally posted by citannah17
actually that is a great feat.
Unfortunately, it was impossible without the Interfaces being Aligned.
So it's a great feat for the Interface Alignment & Phoenix working as a team perhaps.
Originally posted by Mr Master
VIA the Interface Alignment,which allows simultaneous existence across Realities 🙂
Without the Alignment ... No Feat could have been performed.
Unfortunately, it was impossible without the Interfaces being Aligned.
So it's a great feat for the Interface Alignment & Phoenix working as a team perhaps.
but that's not really whats in question here seeing as it was in alignment and also without the phoenix this feat couldn't have been achieved either so whats your point its still a multiversal feat. considering its power was used to project the tower across the multiverse.
Originally posted by LordKaos
To argue the Phoenix can't withstand something she has never encountered is futile it's a machine it blasts now what? Your list of who can withstand is just as futile, because people have only debated that these beings are more powerful than the Phoenix or that Phoenix is more powerful, they have not proved it or these kind of threads would be done with. Everybody has scans for everything, but until there are scans of this one vs that one then well it's all up for debate. There would be no UN or omniversal matrix if Feron had not bonded with the PHOENIX to project it across the omniverse to connect each reality.
Now to make assumptions are the main part on this forum, which you are obviously forgetting. How often do you think MJJ and Phoenix would run into a confrontation, ore Galactus ore the Celestials? Never, If you are waiting for Scans before you can make a assumption then maybe you should take another subject instead of Cosmics who are very difficuelt to pit against each other since they constantly vary in power.
I would like you to debate my list and state you openion on the matter instead of just saying its wrong.
Why are you talking about the omniversal Matrix in connection with the UN, that is what puzzle me the most in your post, since the Ultimate Nullifier a device created either by Galactus ore Eternity, has nothing to do with the Celestial Nullifier which you are refering to.
Originally posted by citannah17
but that's not really whats in question here seeing as it was in alignment and also without the phoenix this feat. could have never been achieved either so whats your point.
My point is that Phoenix has never done anything on a Multiversal scale.
And the ONLY reason the Phoenix Force was able to project the 616 Tower across the Multiverse,
was because of the Interface Alignment,
which allows simultaneous existence across the Realities.
In the moment the Interfaces aligned,
(when ALL the Doors of the Multiverse were Open into every Universe)
Then Phoenix was able to create a Tower for every Universe, because ALL the Doors were open in a straight line (or sidereal string) with an easy pass into any Reality.
You want an example of a True Multiversal Feat?
Here ya go:
That's Abraxas killing every Alternate Reed Richards across the Multiverse.
No need for tech, or more specifically plot devices, like in the Phoenix case.
Interface Alignment = Plot Device. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
My point is that Phoenix has never done anything on a Multiversal scale.And the ONLY reason the Phoenix Force was able to project the 616 Tower across the Multiverse,
was because of the Interface Alignment,
which allows simultaneous existence across the Realities.
In the moment the Interfaces aligned,
(when ALL the Doors of the Multiverse were Open into every Universe)
Then Phoenix was able to create a Tower for every Universe, because ALL the Doors were open in a straight line (or sidereal string) with an easy pass into any Reality.
You want an example of a True Multiversal Feat?
Here ya go:
That's Abraxas killing every Alternate Reed Richards across the Multiverse.
No need for tech, or more specifically plot devices, like in the Phoenix case.
Interface Alignment = Plot Device. 🙂
so tell me when does projecting a tower into every reality in the multiverse not count as a multiversal feat. wow the thing was already aligned big whoop it was the force who projected it across the entire multiverse. you just want to write it off as nothing when you are wrong come on man i get it the D$%& thing was aligned but whom was responsible for projecting it across the entire multiverse if it wasn't such a big deal why didn't he just have any ole body do it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
VIA the Interface Alignment,which allows simultaneous existence across Realities 🙂
Without the Alignment ... No Feat could have been performed.
Unfortunately, it was impossible without the Interfaces being Aligned.
So it's a great feat for the Interface Alignment & Phoenix working as a team perhaps.
Please show me where that points stated on panel. Pick out the precise sentence from those scans where thats stated or drop the point.
The dimensional interfaces aligned periodically to form a matrix, however it was too unstable like this and the alignment happened too infrequently for the resultant matrix to be used, before Phoenix stabilised it:
The tower was tied to the dimensional interface of 616. It was the only one that existed. When the interfaces next aligned to form the matrix, a dimensional gateway was opened throughout the multiverse, Phoenix stabilised this matrix permanently by projecting the essence of the tower through this gateway, making this tower have counterparts in every reality of the multiverse, therefore tying down each dimensions interface.
"Like a cosmic lynchpin threaded through the multiverse".
Phoenix by making dupilcates of the tower exist on every dimension of the multiverse basically threaded the interfaces together, holding them in place to form a permanent matrix which therefore could be used.
Originally posted by citannah17
so tell me when does projecting a tower into every reality in the multiverse not count as a multiversal feat. wow the thing was already aligned big whoop it was the force who projected it across the entire multiverse. you just want to write it off as nothing when you are wrong come on man i get it the D$%& thing was aligned but whom was responsible for projecting it across the entire multiverse if it wasn't such a big deal why didn't he just have any ole body do it.
Nice to see another poster with common sense 🙂
of course its a multiversle feat,some people just love to hate 🙁
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's Abraxas killing every Alternate Reed Richards across the Multiverse.
No need for tech, or more specifically plot devices, like in the Phoenix case.
Interface Alignment = Plot Device. 🙂
Killing a mere human in every reality is hardly as impressive as creating a dupilcate tower for every reality of the multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Please show me where that points stated on panel. Pick out the precise sentence from those scans where thats stated or drop the point.The dimensional interfaces aligned periodically to form a matrix, however it was too unstable like this and the alignment happened too infrequently for the resultant matrix to be used, before Phoenix stabilised it:
The tower was tied to the dimensional interface of 616. It was the only one that existed. When the interfaces next aligned to form the matrix, a dimensional gateway was opened throughout the multiverse, Phoenix stabilised this matrix permanently by projecting the essence of the tower through this gateway, making this tower have counterparts in every reality of the multiverse, therefore tying down each dimensions interface.
"Like a cosmic lynchpin threaded through the multiverse".
Phoenix by making dupilcates of the tower exist on every dimension of the multiverse basically threaded the interfaces together, holding them in place to form a permanent matrix which therefore could be used.
you know what GS i'm glad your here i almost let him get over on me you know i actually thought the panel said it was aligned. because i took MR. MASTER'S word for it which was a big mistake seeing as he always interpets panels and scans as he sees fit. so thank you should have known he'd try to jiff me over 😠 .
