phoenix force vs mad jim jaspers/fury vs pretcon beyonder

Originally posted by Mr Master
Pocket Dimensions?

Yes.

Dimensions?

No.

Dimensions are Universes in the Multiverse in Marvel:

"Yet it is of such Concepts that the MULTIVERSE is made,

for the MULTIVERSE is a Transfinite number,

that is a Number Greater than Infinity of Universes,"

These Universes are often popularly called,

DIMENSIONS."

As we know, dimensions, in Marvel comics, exist remotely from the 616th original dimension.
For instance, the Dark Dimenion, Dormammu's realm, Mephisto's realm, Asgard and so forth. Are all a part of the 616th universe, yet different planes of reality, different dimensions.

Let's take another universe, just to prove my point, "Ultimate Marvel".
Unlike in the 616th Thanos have vissited Mephisto, and both have a different appearence. Anyone who read Marvel comics would be able to tell 616th Thanos apart from Ultimate Thanos.

If you speak the truth that would mean that the 616 isn't a universe, but a Multiverse, and that Ultimate is a Multiverse as well.

The question is, can you provide evidence proving that the 616th and, or, Ultimate is a Multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you.

Theres hopes for these forums yet.

If that's the only back you got,

you're in serious trouble.

"Hope?"

Based on that post?

hysterical

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now all we need to do is start a new cosmic questions and answers thread.

With the exception of "mr master haters",

no one agrees with you friend. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
If that's the only back you got,

you're in serious trouble.

"Hope?"

Based on that post?

hysterical

We both have supporters Mr M, im just happy the general age of mine are firmly in the double figures. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
With the exception of "mr master haters",

no one agrees with you friend. 😉

Many agree, many dont, not fussed especially when i can tear your ass up publicly in debate. 😱

I dont see why people are arguing over this..
Jaspers cant kill something immortal.. well he can kill her, but she'll just come back, and just erase him from ever existing, just because hes showed some cool feats doesnt mean he'll win the battle..

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But you also, some time ago, post a scan which states the direct opposite.

dontgetit.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
As we know, dimensions, in Marvel comics, exist remotely from the 616th original dimension.

Incorrect.

The 616 Universe has Pocket Dimensions"

NOT Dimensions, which are UniverseS.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
For instance, the Dark Dimenion, Dormammu's realm, Mephisto's realm, Asgard and so forth. Are all a part of the 616th universe, yet different planes of reality, different dimensions.

Incorrect.

Dormammu's Realm is a Universe unto itself, Outside of 616.

Mephisto's Realm and Asgard are Pocket Dimensions/Universes in 616:

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Let's take another universe, just to prove my point, "Ultimate Marvel".
Unlike in the 616th Thanos have vissited Mephisto, and both have a different appearence. Anyone who read Marvel comics would be able to tell 616th Thanos apart from Ultimate Thanos.

Ok.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If you speak the truth that would mean that the 616 isn't a universe, but a Multiverse, and that Ultimate is a Multiverse as well.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion that 616 is a Multiverse from your exmpale.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The question is, can you provide evidence proving that the 616th and, or, Ultimate is a Multiverse.

I NEVER said the 616 Reality is a Multiverse.

You made your own assessment of the difference between the Multiverse and 616,

it confused you.

Hope I cleared that up good friend. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We both have supporters Mr M, im just happy the general age of mine are firmly in the double figures.

I prefer members that actually KNOW SOMETHING about Comics,

regardless of Age,

versus Comic ignorant individuals with a chip on their shoulders.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Many agree, many dont,

So the dellusion goes beyond the Phoenix agenda. 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
not fussed especially when i can tear your ass up publicly in debate.

😆

Talking to yourself again friend.

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit.

Incorrect.

The 616 Universe has Pocket Dimensions"

NOT Dimensions, which are UniverseS.

Incorrect.

Dormammu's Realm is a Universe unto itself, Outside of 616.

Mephisto's Realm and Asgard are Pocket Dimensions/Universes in 616:

Ok.

I don't see how you came to the conclusion that 616 is a Multiverse from your exmpale.

I NEVER said the 616 Reality is a Multiverse.

You made your own assessment of the difference between the Multiverse and 616,

it confused you.

Hope I cleared that up good friend. 🙂

Well 616 has been deemed a multiverse of sorts by some writers and thats understandable given the multitude of pocket dimensions that exist within its borders. You yourself have deemed it a multiverse when its suited your argument, even once presenting a scan of the Beyonder calling 616 a multiverse. If i can find the energy i'll search out your post and call you out on that. 🙂

Originally posted by Terryc250
I dont see why people are arguing over this..
Jaspers cant kill something immortal.. well he can kill her, but she'll just come back, and just erase him from ever existing,

just because hes showed some cool feats doesnt mean he'll win the battle..

Just because,

Phoenix, has NEVER Created a Universe,

has NEVER Remade a Universe,

has NEVER Destroyed the 616 Universe,

has NEVER defeated Eternity,

in it's MOST purest Form, (a Hostless Avatar)

was OWNED by 6 Heroes and nearly KILLED by an Alien Ship.

Doesn't mean Phoenix will win either.

But just because,

Jaspers completely Re-Created the 616 Universe,

BECAME the 616 Universe,

was immune to Nullification (which Erases Universes)

could Not be stopped by a being that can Destroy or Rebuild the entire Multiverse,

doesn't mean he'll win either. 🙄

Doesn't make sense I know,

but you said it.

Beyonder alone is enough to nullify the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well 616 has been deemed a multiverse of sorts by some writers and thats understandable given the multitude of pocket dimensions that exist within its borders.

616 has NEVER been and will NEVER be a Multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You yourself have deemed it a multiverse when its suited your argument,

Bull shit

and if you're gonna start the LIES,

I'll pull your infamous card for all to see.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
even once presenting a scan of the Beyonder calling 616 a multiverse. If i can find the energy i'll search out your post and call you out on that.

Search all you want.

The Writer was talking about the Marvel Universe,

which was all of Canon Marvel at the time,

the Multiverse.

Be thorough please, if you're going to make accusations. 😉

I'll take that as an honest mistake.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If that's the only back you got,

you're in serious trouble.

"Hope?"

Based on that post?

hysterical

With the exception of "mr master haters",

no one agrees with you friend. 😉

You see its all wrong
I hate liars,decietfull people,people who misrepresent scans,if you fall into these catorgories well too bad

OK did MR Masters show a scan of onslaught with the phoenix, and say that Onslaught crushed the phoenix? was this a lie? is the scan misrepresented?

Mr Masters hatred of the phoenix is relevent when he post in these threads,as is his lies

And its all to win a debate and show off for his flunkies,I am not impressed

But i do see a change in the words you choose now Mr Master ,and for that i say thanks,you are now behaving properly, at least your trying,it was nice to teach you some manners

Originally posted by Mr Master
I prefer members that actually KNOW SOMETHING about Comics,

regardless of Age,

versus Comic ignorant individuals with a chip on their shoulders.

So the dellusion goes beyond the Phoenix agenda. 🙄

😆

Talking to yourself again friend.

Pure brash talk and delusional interpretation, no debating skill whatsoever. That is why from the very beginning you were always destined for failure. 🙁

On your part theres been a massive effort to try and sway forum opinion, not through superior debating, because for you that will always prove an impossibility, but instead through underhand practice. This agenda has consumed your life my friend and i feel ever so sorry for you.😬

It must really get to you, that i can go away for a month, come back and decimate any and everything you bring to the table and on top of that still muster support. 😄

You stay here and revel in the sac worship you enjoy from pubescents. Its really not that serious. 😉

Originally posted by starlock
You see its all wrong

I hate liars,decietfull people,people who misrepresent scans,if you fall into these catorgories well too bad

OK did MR Masters show a scan of onslaught with the phoenix, and say that Onslaught crushed the phoenix? was this a lie? is the scan misrepresented?

Mr Masters hatred of the phoenix is relevent when he post in these threads,

as is his lies

And its all to win a debate and show off for his flunkies,

I am not impressed

But i do see a change in the words you choose now Mr Master ,

and for that i say thanks,

you are now behaving properly, at least your trying,

it was nice to teach you some manners

Responding to you concerning the debate is pointless,

again with nothing of consequence to Post.

Reported for member bashing. 🙂

Originally posted by starlock
You see its all wrong
I hate liars,decietfull people,people who misrepresent scans,if you fall into these catorgories well too bad

OK did MR Masters show a scan of onslaught with the phoenix, and say that Onslaught crushed the phoenix? was this a lie? is the scan misrepresented?

Mr Masters hatred of the phoenix is relevent when he post in these threads,as is his lies

And its all to win a debate and show off for his flunkies,I am not impressed

But i do see a change in the words you choose now Mr Master ,and for that i say thanks,you are now behaving properly, at least your trying,it was nice to teach you some manners

what part of Brooklyn are you from?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Pure brash talk and delusional interpretation, no debating skill whatsoever. That is why from the very beginning you were always destined for failure.

On your part theres been a massive effort to try and sway forum opinion, not through superior debating, because for you that will always prove an impossibility, but instead through underhand practice. This agenda has consumed your life my friend and i feel ever so sorry for you.

It must really get to you, that i can go away for a month, come back and decimate any and everything you bring to the table and on top of that still muster support.

You stay here and revel in the sac worship you enjoy from pubescents. Its really not that serious.

sign23

Why debate Pre Recton Beyonder takes this ...

Originally posted by starlock
You see its all wrong
I hate liars,decietfull people,people who misrepresent scans,if you fall into these catorgories well too bad

OK did MR Masters show a scan of onslaught with the phoenix, and say that Onslaught crushed the phoenix? was this a lie? is the scan misrepresented?

Mr Masters hatred of the phoenix is relevent when he post in these threads,as is his lies

And its all to win a debate and show off for his flunkies,I am not impressed

But i do see a change in the words you choose now Mr Master ,and for that i say thanks,you are now behaving properly, at least your trying,it was nice to teach you some manners

The thing that differs though is the perspective. He has his own view of how thing should be and how things are, what have he got them from, comics.

Like most members he tries to stand subjective, thus the argument can turn a little personal when fanboy's oversees fact's. Then you bring forth the information that will make the fanboy look stupid, a concrete example would be that Onslaught defeats Phoenix scan.

I do not say that I agree with him on everything, because I don't.
But as a provider of information and facts Mr Master is at the top.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Just because,

Phoenix, has NEVER Created a Universe,

has NEVER Remade a Universe,

has NEVER Destroyed the 616 Universe,

has NEVER defeated Eternity,

in it's MOST purest Form, (a Hostless Avatar)

was OWNED by 6 Heroes and nearly KILLED by an Alien Ship.

Doesn't mean Phoenix will win either.

But just because,

Jaspers completely Re-Created the 616 Universe,

BECAME the 616 Universe,

was immune to Nullification (which Erases Universes)

could Not be stopped by a being that can Destroy or Rebuild the entire Multiverse,

doesn't mean he'll win either. 🙄

Doesn't make sense I know,

but you said it.

yes yes.. uve repeated that like 5 times now
Just because Phoenix Force hasnt shown it, it doesnt mean the Phoenix Force is not capable of doing that

" The Phoenix is among the most feared beings in the entire universe - having the power to cut and regrow any part of the universe, as well as destroy it entirely"

Theres just things that we know the phoenix is capable of, but obviously there isnt a story for Marvel to include, who knows maybe one day theyll write about Jean destroying the whole entire universe.. doubt it though

the 616 is the MASTER UNIVERSE, for the greater part of newage comics. its the hub/pivot of all the other universes/dimensions of the marvel multiverse. any major happenin in it inadvertedly affects all other connected realities. thas why we have so many paradoxes with discussion on whether a universe or multiverse was destroyed/created or whether an abstract is universal/multiversal etc.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont make me break out those Beyonce pics again 😂

😆

Break them Beyonce pics out. Some Esther Baxter and Melyssa Ford pics too while you're at it. 😄

As for the fight, all Phoenix has is BFR as a possible tactic, and that's not even a proven course of action considering Fury's adaptations and ability to exist in the void. Timeline alteration likely won't work because many characters exist as a temporal paradox and Jaspers can rewrite the rules anyway.

Also, sort of an aside, and though this probably was never considered back in the old comic, but Jasper's shouldn't be powerless in a void because his presence in itself means their is reality to manipulate (his own being, and at that point, Fury's as well). Upon further logical analysis, that defeat makes no sense. Jaspers should have been able to pull a Tetsuo (for the Akira heads, word life) either on his own substance or Fury's, but it's really of no consequence. It doesn't effect this board battle.

Draw, and that glass crown has another crack in it.