phoenix force vs mad jim jaspers/fury vs pretcon beyonder

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
As canon? As canon it was killed twice. Then there's the other time when Galactus nearly killed it but spared do to Roma, Death, and Watcher's plead. That's the canon Phoenix Force: vulnerable, killable, and owned. Nice try, even the bio confirms that it's been beaten.

By canon the Phoenix Force has never ever been killed. An avatar has had their physicality destroyed, but so what? Means nothing to the Force. By canon as stated, demonstrated and depicted on panel the Force itself, the mutable, indestructible and immortal life force that it is has never ever been destroyed.

Your mentor attempted to build a case for the Force nearly being destroyed in that Excalibur issue as well despite that point neither being stated or demonstrated on panel. As you can see from actually reading both the thread and the relevant comic (as well as actually taking heed of canon for once), not only was he contradicted on panel, but what he threw my way as evidence when properly read only served to strengthen my case:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/313281_16-parallax-vs-dark-phoenix#post8199040

In other words he failed.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Wait, this Force can't act/manifest fully but not lets suppose it can. And from that we're suppose to believe this sum of all life is going to take out multiversal beings? Beyonder would curbstomp it and erase it from existence; death and Marvel's top beings couldn't do a thing to stop him, the sum of life force isn't either. Fury and Jasper don't win this, Beyonder does.

The Force can fully manifest if that is its wish, however to do so would mean there would be no life in existence as it is the sum of all life, hence its preference to manifest via a human host, or the sentient firebird avatar. If you actually bothered to read this thread instead of jumping on my ass with your biased self you’d see that I’m not actually arguing about the Phoenix Force versus the Beyonder. I made a statement saying that while the Phoenix has more impressive power displays, the Beyonder was presented on panel and seemed to be held with higher regard by on panel characters. Read threads before you blab.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
But between Jasper/fury and Phoenix, MJJ and Fury take this. And entire universe's life force blew up and fury had scraps.

You win by killing your opponent. By canon, as stated on panel and in the bios, the Phoenix cannot be destroyed. On top of that it has far more impressive showings than Jaspers or Fury. There are ways for the Force to kill Jaspers/Fury and know way by canon that they could return the favour. Please put forward an on panel backed case actually illustrating the contrary, minus supposition and imagination and I’ll consider this vote something more than a biased vote from a former a victim who just cant get over me. winkiss

You’re dismissed. blowup

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You win by killing your opponent. By canon, as stated on panel and in the bios, the Phoenix cannot be destroyed. On top of that it has far more impressive showings than Jaspers or Fury. There are ways for the Force to kill Jaspers/Fury and know way by canon that they could return the favour. Please put forward an on panel backed case actually illustrating the contrary, minus supposition and imagination and I’ll consider this vote something more than a biased vote from a former a victim who just cant get over me. winkiss

You’re dismissed. blowup

Ouch.

So then what do you consider my opinion, because I see it as a draw between Jaspers/Fury and Pheonix.

Fury's adaptations takes care of the unspace weakness of Jaspers and Jaspers supplements Fury's need to reconstitute itself since Jaspers is self sustained and omnipotent within reality.

The Phoenix Force is the immortal substance of reality.

Jaspers plays with reality's substance like it was Play Doh.

He likely can't destroy the Force, but he can make it do whatever he wants for as long as he wants. I see a perpetual tea bagging loop for Jean.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Heres a choice quote from the lovely Galactic Storm

😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So once again we see a query of Mr Masters answered quite conclusively,

we see no counter from him whatsoever and yet a repost of the same tired information.

I countered all your points my boy, ALL.

You just keep coming back like an abused lawyer trying to explain yourself around the facts.

That's what's really tiresome.

You think you're the man cuase you post oversized scans that are irrelevant to the debate,

it's an old ploy that used to work, but KMC has adapted and learned.

So call yourself the "lovely galactic storm" all you want.

Tell us all that everyone's point has been dismissed by your greatness,

our interpretation backed up by Scans and Bios that corresponds with the event,

is moot, all that matters is that Phoenix rules all.

Yes, Phoenix rules,

But Phoenix has NEVER Created a Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER Remade a Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER Destroyed the 616 Universe.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix has NEVER defeated Eternity.

So what, Phoenix rules.

But Phoenix in it's MOST purest Form, (a Hostless Avatar)

was OWNED by 6 Heroes and nearly KILLED by an Alien Ship.

So what, Phoenix rules.

Is this some kind of joke? 🙄

Phoenix Rules:

dontgetit

Originally posted by Mr Master
2.

Bio

"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

On Panel verification

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"

continues in the next post ....

Phoenix rules:

😆

Originally posted by Mr Master
2.

Bio

"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ...

IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ...

WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"

On Panel verification

"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"

"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"

"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT,

the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"

"TRULY,

the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"

"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS,

to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL,

it MUST find a Host"

continues in the next post ....

Phoenix Rules:

😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
3.

Bio

"the FORCE attacked the ship, threatening the stability of the planet ...

the Heroes were ABLE to DRIVE the FORCE into another Portal ...

and it Emerged Four Billion Years in the Past"

On Panel verification

A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL)

are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT a Host)

"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED,

the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"

AND they're STILL holding their own 🙄

The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal

The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years

Don't worry yall,

none of this is happening,

it's all in Our and Marvel's imagination according to galactis storm. 🙄

But the Bio states exactly what's taking place On Panel.

So what ... Phoenix rules.

In other words ... nuts4

Originally posted by illadelph12
So then what do you consider my opinion, because I see it as a draw between Jaspers/Fury and Pheonix.

Fury's adaptations takes care of the unspace weakness of Jaspers and Jaspers supplements Fury's need to reconstitute itself since Jaspers is self sustained and omnipotent within reality.

The Phoenix Force is the immortal substance of reality.

Jaspers plays with reality's substance like it was Play Doh.

He likely can't destroy the Force, but he can make it do whatever he wants for as long as he wants. I see a perpetual tea bagging loop for Jean.

✅

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ouch.

So then what do you consider my opinion, because I see it as a draw between Jaspers/Fury and Pheonix.

Fury's adaptations takes care of the unspace weakness of Jaspers and Jaspers supplements Fury's need to reconstitute itself since Jaspers is self sustained and omnipotent within reality.

Omnipotent? How so? Hes never done anything to demonstrate or prove omnipotence within his reality warp. The Fury incident and his inability to overcome a energy restrained, shapeshifting adaptoid far from suggests omnipotence. Yeah sure he can expand a warp dimension wide and toy with reality, however ive seen nothing from him to tell me that he would be able to do anything but give himself a major advantage against most enemies as opposed to being omnipotent. Who is to say the Phoenix doesnt wield more control over its essence than Jaspers? That would certainly seem the obvious conclusion.

Furys adaptations mean that when Phoenix has atomized reality, leaving them in a void, Jaspers can flee to another dimension instead of getting exterminated. If Phoenix was to get the combo in a void then with the Jaspers part out of the picture, its a simple matter to destroy the bog standard Fury.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The Phoenix Force is the immortal substance of reality.

Jaspers plays with reality's substance like it was Play Doh.

He likely can't destroy the Force, but he can make it do whatever he wants for as long as he wants. I see a perpetual tea bagging loop for Jean.

This match up doesnt feature the Jean avatar and is just the pure Phoenix Force. I doubt Jaspers would have more control over the Phoenixes substance than the Phoenix itself. On top of that apart from whitewashing over whats already there, where has Jaspers done anything remotely impressive to support your hypothesizing. As pointed out reality is far more than atoms, so for an avatar to be able to to turn it and manipulate it as if it in its entirety as if it was a ball, a physical object, not only suggests reality warping in itself, but also at a far greater and more precise scale than anything Jasper related.

Mr Master, your posts have been throughly dealt with. Anyone can see from reading the thread, that i've countered your points with on panel evidence and you've responded not by countering me, but by reposting the very same argument i've laid to rest time and time again. 🙂

firefirefireph

Merlyn, who could sunder the entire Multiverse,

who ON PANEL through Brian Braddock demonstarted his immense Power

by REVERSING a MULTIVERSAL Collapse (literally REBUILDING the Multiverse)

Yet, Merlyn could NOT stop Jaspers.

Wow, Merlyn could do that?

But Phoenix, has NEVER Created a Universe.

But Phoenix has NEVER Remade a Universe.

But Phoenix has NEVER Destroyed the 616 Universe.

But Phoenix has NEVER defeated Eternity.

But Phoenix in it's MOST purest Form, (a Hostless Avatar)

was OWNED by 6 Heroes and nearly KILLED by an Alien Ship.

So what, Phoenix rules. 🙄

Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph

😂 Has it really come to this kid? 😉

since phoenix is immortal, cant jaspers kill the avatar, phoenix ressurects, goes into white hot room, go to the timeline before jaspers was born, kill jaspers mom or somethin, so he was never born lol

Originally posted by Terryc250
since phoenix is immortal, cant jaspers kill the avatar, phoenix ressurects, goes into white hot room, go to the timeline before jaspers was born, kill jaspers mom or somethin, so he was never born lol

Phoenix could indeed make it so Jaspers never existed. Phoenix could also go beyond time and space and amputate the timeline from the point Jaspers/Fury entered and absorb the reality into the White Hot Room as she did with the Here Comes Tomorrow future. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Mr Master, your posts have been throughly dealt with. Anyone can see from reading the thread, that i've countered your points with on panel evidence and you've responded not by countering me, but by reposting the very same argument i've laid to rest time and time again. 🙂

I agree Galactic storm

Originally posted by starlock
I agree Galactic storm

Thank you. 🙂

Theres hopes for these forums yet.

Now all we need to do is start a new cosmic questions and answers thread. 😄

I know this match up doesn't feature Jean.

I just like the imagery of her being tea bagged for all eternity.

It's poetic. 😄

It's a draw GS.

Quit protecting the glass crown.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I know this match up doesn't feature Jean.

I just like the imagery of her being tea bagged for all eternity.

It's poetic. 😄

It's a draw GS.

Quit protecting the glass crown.

Dont make me break out those Beyonce pics again 😂

Jaspers hasnt done anything impressive enough to lend credence to your theory, so while it certainly wouldnt be over in a flash because of the Fury element, they arent killing Phoenix, whilst Phoenix certainly has ways to kill/dispose of them. 🙂