Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
IMO, everything everyone says is just an opinion unless you present anything valid to make it a fact.when it comes to Christianity though, i accept it as a fact thoroughly. no questions asked.
Quite a double standard...
Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
It does apply to other things. a lot of other things.
Which other things?
Knowing Jesus has nothing to do with religion though. Religion will always have it's problems because it's man-made...but Jesus isn't.
In 2 minutes this explains the difference between the two...I've posted a couple of these here and there...they're pretty nifty.
http://www.christianserver.com/files/256/172161182185200612131539113.mp3
...and Alliance, it says on the very first post that non-Christians are welcome...it's just the comments like some of the ones we're getting aren't.
You can apply faith to other things if you want...like yourself (as in, I have faith that I'll be able to quit smoking by the time we have our first baby), but when you're a Christian, using faith is so much easier because you're putting your faith completely in someone/something else (which is pretty darn cool, 'cause that way the pressure is off of you)...and here's the kicker...it works!
...I know which faith I'd like to practice.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You can apply faith to other things if you want...
No, no, no...not like that at all. You're still applying faith to Christianity...not to something else.
Why (for an incredibly crappy example) could faith not apply to evolution, where you "accept it as a fact thoroughly. no questions asked."
Why is that an assumption you should make for anything that has evidence to the contrary. (And I'm not suggesting that there is conclusive evidence against Christianity, but evidence against aspect of Christianity.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
...and Alliance, it says on the very first post that non-Christians are welcome...it's just the comments like some of the ones we're getting aren't.
It does, but the four times its discussed after that suggest otherwise. That means the initial comment made doesn't really fit in with the practice or the other, futher analyzed opinon.
Regardless, I'm obviously forcing myself in anyway.
Re: Praise & Worship/Testimonies/Prayers...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I've made this thread as a place where Christians can give a testimony about something that God has done for them, a place to share worship and praise songs, for prayers and encouragement.Non-Christians are of course welcome and encouraged to post, but please keep it positive.
This isn't the place to dispute a claim or tell a Christian that they're wrong.
Nor to debate God or Christianity as a whole, we have threads for that.
I most of all want it to be an encouragement to believers. 🙂
I'd like to take the time to share some news about my own situation. I was in a fairly urgent circumstance regarding finding a new job. It seemed as if I was trapped in a rather dismal situation that was beyond my control.
Being that God is good, at the last minute -he delivered me from a miserable fate and has put me in a financial situation which is much better than the one I'm currently in, as well as given me an opportunity to gain more insight and knowledge of the profession that I currently work in.
The biggest test at this point is though is not inasmuch whether I have enough money or knowledge - but whether or not I can use what was given with this situation to glorify God. Those of you who believe in God and/or follow what is good, say some prayers that I can use this knowledge and financial reward to glorify his name.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Yes God did everything for you, because Human Beings are incapable of doing ne thing for themselves 🙄
Originally posted by ThundarA prayer request...cool! It'd go something like...
Those of you who believe in God and/or follow what is good, say some prayers that I can use this knowledge and financial reward to glorify his name.
"Lord, please touch Thundar's heart, in so making him trust that he is in your love, and that everything that happens to him, whether it's perceived as good or bad, will always be used to glorify your sovereignty and name. Amen"
...there...just prayed for you too it too 😉
Originally posted by Alliance
and if it hadn't worked out, it would have been gods will too.Of course, god, being loving, chooses to smite children to death with AIDS, poverty, starvation, and apathetic parents.
On the other hand, MAN attempts to fix all that.
God doesn't cause evil and tragedy in the world.
Man's imperfect nature, his sin, and the devil (who has power over the unsaved in this earth) cause them.
God is the healer, the one who fixes.... when called upon.
Back when i was 7 years old, my little brother was hospitalized because of a blood clot near his brain. To help my bro recover, i wrote a letter to Santa Claus, even though it still April, saying that i dont want any TMNT action figures this Christmas, i just want my brother to get well . . . . and what do you know he recovered without any brain trauma or any negative side effects. And i still got a swimming/submersible Donatello for Christmas 😆.
Great thread.
Well, I grew up with a father who turned Christian when I was about 9 or so. It was a drastic change in the house and let us just say it was not a good experience. He went way overboard and boarderline abusive with his "pushing" of God and church on my whole family. We were miserable. The religious arguements between him and uncles lasted well into the night. No one slept. My father became obsessed with reading his bible and the family was on the back burner. This coupled with a very hypocritical church experience..I was done when it came to christianity.
Throughout my teens years and early marraige years..I knew deep within me that there was a God and Heaven..only it was presented to me in a horrible way..not the way with love and grace. When i had children of my own..I knew that I wanted them to attend a good church where they could learn about God and make decisions for themselves. i feel I owe it to them to present God and help them figure there way. When I dropped them off at sunday school I would sit in church where I later dedicated my life to God.
I suck at being a faithful christian and don't feel I do a good job leading my kids either. Both of these probably as a result of being sure not to force things like I grew up with.
I believe in God, heaven and salvation. i hope my kids continue to seek Him as well.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
God doesn't cause evil and tragedy in the world.Man's imperfect nature, his sin, and the devil (who has power over the unsaved in this earth) cause them.
Yes...exactly 😬
Originally posted by sithsaber408
God is the healer, the one who fixes.... when called upon.
Under that logic, then anyone who does not pray to your god cannot be cured?
Likely yes.
I think its alos important to note that as an athiest, if I help people, I'm doing so without the power fo god, so using sith's (absurdly) narrow viewpoint, I can't actually help anyone.
I honestly don't know how you can survive with such a viewpoint. One must have to really segregate themself from society, which in turn only reinforces such delusional views.
Originally posted by Alliance
Yes...exactly 😬Under that logic, then anyone who does not pray to your god cannot be cured?
Nope.
People can be cured of diseases and things all the time.
It's just the ones that pray for it to God are healed by him.
You're jumping topics like nobody's business here.
First it was why doesn't God stop all the evil, now it's why doesn't God heal everybody? And then when people who are healed don't believe in God, how does that happen?
It does nothing to change the fact that when people are in serious need, they pray and prayers are answered.
None of your posturing could tell Laurie Waters from my church how her 1 year old grandson fell from a 2nd story balcony, ruptured his spleen, was sent for emergency treatment from Sutter Medical Center in Roseville, CA to UC Davis in hopes of saving his life, and how when he got there .... there was no rupture. No more internal bleeding.
The doctors were mystified.
The answer?
She prayed for his healing.
And if that wasn't what healed him, if it was something else, than that's a pretty DAMN AMAZING "coincidence".
A lady of faith, a Christian, just happened to pray for healing and it just "happened" to come about, right then.
Originally posted by AllianceI never said anywhere that if you help people without the power of God that you can't actually help anyone.
Likely yes.I think its alos important to note that as an athiest, if I help people, I'm doing so without the power fo god, so using sith's (absurdly) narrow viewpoint, I can't actually help anyone.
I honestly don't know how you can survive with such a viewpoint. One must have to really segregate themself from society, which in turn only reinforces such delusional views.
Anywhere.
You're projecting that BS onto me.
And I live in Northern California, right outside Sacramento, the capital of my state.
I see tons of people at Starbucks, Chevron, and McDonalds every day.
I'm a sub-urban Accountant for a large corporation.
Go away if you have nothing more than ranting to add to the thread.
People here have REAL testimonies to discuss. If you want to take part fine, but you're just throwing out crap now that nobody ever said.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
None of your posturing could tell Laurie Waters from my church how her 1 year old grandson fell from a 2nd story balcony, ruptured his spleen, was sent for emergency treatment from Sutter Medical Center in Roseville, CA to UC Davis in hopes of saving his life, and how when he got there .... there was no rupture. No more internal bleeding.a pretty DAMN AMAZING "coincidence".
It is a PRETTY DAMN AMAZING coincidence!
Your church patrons experience a PRETTY DAMN AMAZING number of "miracles", compared to other churches.
Wow. God must love you guys more than most churches.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
People can be cured of diseases and things all the time..
I know, otherwise I'd be out of a carrer.
Originally posted by sithsaber408Perhaps you know someone with AIDS, who's so desperate for anyhting that he'll reach out for anyhting. Perhaps you know someone who spends thier life praying. All's well and good until he dies. Where is your God now?
It's just the ones that pray for it to God are healed by him.
I'm sure you'll come up with some lame excuse.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
First it was why doesn't God stop all the evil, now it's why doesn't God heal everybody? And then when people who are healed don't believe in God, how does that happen?
Nah, its all part of the package deal on how your worldview neglects evidence. Whats wrong with incorporating more evidence?
The thing is, you're not interested in what happened, your interested in bricking the walls of your worldview higher and higher until you can't see over the top anymore.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
It does nothing to change the fact that when people are in serious need, they pray and prayers are answered.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
None of your posturing could tell Laurie Waters from my church how her 1 year old grandson fell from a 2nd story balcony, ruptured his spleen, was sent for emergency treatment from Sutter Medical Center in Roseville, CA to UC Davis in hopes of saving his life, and how when he got there .... there was no rupture. No more internal bleeding.The doctors were mystified.
Ohhhh! Mystified! I doubt EMS conducted a medical test to more conclusively show that the spleen was indeed ruptured. EMS likely just saw that the kids stomach was distended or that there was blood pooling and assumed.
If the spleen never ruptured, its no miracle. Its called misdiagnosis, and it happens every day. Understand?
Now you can give me more info and I can analyze, or you can keep your "jump to a sh*t conclusion" game.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And if that wasn't what healed him, if it was something else, than that's a pretty DAMN AMAZING "coincidence".A lady of faith, a Christian, just happened to pray for healing and it just "happened" to come about, right then.
Its only damn amazing to a person who knows shit about medecine. Blah Blah Blah. How many people do youthink don't pray for thier child? Yet people's infants die every day....its not because people aren't praying for them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I never said anywhere that if you help people without the power of God that you can't actually help anyone.Anywhere.
You're projecting that BS onto me.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And I live in Northern California, right outside Sacramento, the capital of my state.I see tons of people at Starbucks, Chevron, and McDonalds every day.
I'm a sub-urban Accountant for a large corporation.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Go away if you have nothing more than ranting to add to the thread.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
People here have REAL testimonies to discuss. If you want to take part fine, but you're just throwing out crap now that nobody ever said.
None that I've seen. All I've seen here is people ignoring other possibilities to fit thier worldview.