Superman vs vision, hercules, wonderman, sersi, she hulk, hulk, mrs marvel

Originally posted by olympian
And Lobo was injured in any way? No.

The Bricks arent even the biggest wildcards here. They are just to keep him busy.

🤨 Do you have any idea how fast Supes is, or tough Lobo is to withstand that punch? An uppercut like that, will KO anyone in this fight. Or how about a wide HV blast at the start of the match? Or a blizzard of arctic breath? Hell, he could Thunderclap repeatedly and win this match.

and for the record, Lobo would solo the team as well. Except unlike Supes, Lobo's a sadist.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Forum Superman wins.

Then again, Forum characters are mere powersets, not characters in truth.

Comic Superman would lose, since this team isn't full of no name fodder villains like Ending Battle was.

Tho, it was an impressive showing.

It only takes a good deal of common sense. Wet dream wins and the comic versions dont.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
🤨 Do you have any idea how fast Supes is

Not as fast as the Flash while either flying or running and definatly not dragonball blitzing fast. But i assume you dont know the difference among those.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😮r tough Lobo is to withstand that punch? An uppercut like that, will KO anyone in this fight.

Why? It cleary didnt ko him and hes much of a physical top tier as some in this team.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😮r how about a wide HV blast at the start of the match?.

Top tiers can withstand HV. Thor did, BA did, CM did..

You have the ideia that the HV is going to outrigth kill a big gun, in any chance? Do you even read comics altogether or just dream of your favourite horse?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😮r a blizzard of arctic breath?

The same that didnt stopped Diana, and others?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
:Hell, he could Thunderclap repeatedly and win this match.

So can others. All they have to do is clap.

Ah wait, your thinking of him clapping million times as blitzing rigth? *shrugs* another thing he cleary demostrates in comics.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
:and for the record, Lobo would solo the team as well. Except unlike Supes, Lobo's a sadist.

And you of course have examples of him doing such with a similiar team in power?

Lobo lost a h2h match with Legion`s Brainiac. He has been stalemated by CM. And he has won against Superman once.

Like everyone else hes not above of getting low showings. And yet it seems you get him in a pedestal he doesnt have any at all.

Really, is there anyone at DC that you dont think that can solo this team?

...........comics are a vastly different beast than a forum battle. And it's not just powersets, it's the character's rep, history and other things.

You think you're so hot, enter the next tournament. I bet I could own you. 😈

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
...........comics are a vastly different beast than a forum battle. And it's not just powersets, it's the character's rep, history and other things.

You think you're so hot, enter the next tournament. I bet I could own you. 😈

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
...........comics are a vastly different beast than a forum battle. And it's not just powersets, it's the character's rep, history and other things.

You think you're so hot, enter the next tournament. I bet I could own you. 😈

Are you conceading that im owning you here? 😛

And comic forums are by supossition to debate what goes in comics. Otherwise its only to discuss wet dreams. Wich certainly doesnt appeal to me as much unless we are talking about our fav actress.

Not to mention, Olympian obviously doesn't understand the difference between a top tier in DC and a top tier in marvel. alot of DC's top tiers are stronger than marvel's.

Supes would solo the team, so would Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Lobo, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Doomsday, etc, etc, etc.

And give it up. DC outclasses marvel in some areas, it's a fact. And it's high time you accepted it. swank

Perhaphs you should go back to bed. Your obviously having a big wet dream now and i dont want to get in the way.

Its the fact that you think DC guns are much stronger than Marvel`s that leads to your downfall. The level of strength they have at best its the same Marvel has. But you NEVER read Marvel in your entire life.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Supes would solo the team, so would Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Lobo, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern, Doomsday, etc, etc, etc.

Yeah, thats what i though.

you just listed all the top tiers that came up in your head.

oh

Originally posted by olympian
Perhaphs you should go back to bed. Your obviously having a big wet dream now and i dont want to get in the way.

Its the fact that you think DC guns are much stronger than Marvel`s that leads to your downfall. The level of strength they have at best its the same Marvel has. But you NEVER read Marvel in your entire life.

Yeah, thats what i though.

you just listed all the top tiers that came up in your head.

🤨 Ok, you just killed your credibility, and you have cast serious doubts to your sanity. DC's guns are often bigger. That's a fact. Generally accepted on this forum and others. Marvel guys don't have the insane feats that DC guys have. Name one of the guys who can move a moon, or a third of a planet, or stop the wheel of Mageddon, etc, etc, etc.

You're the delusional one.

Originally posted by Every Moron
Superman wins. Speedbiltz.

Yeah, because he does that in every battle in every comic, along with using T-VO, vibrating intangibles and muscle wills his way through anything & everything in DCU.

However, Superman may gets some wins in this fight- unless the team buys enough time to figure out what Superman's vulnerabilities/achilles heel are and how to exploit them. If this is Ms. Marvel Binary and Sersi they have this opportunity. Supes has an experience advantage as far as working together though.

Don't get me wrong, individually the majority of the Marvel team is outclassed for the most part. With effort, teamwork in numbers, they DO have a good chance of winning the majority of battles out of 10. I say 6/10.

Also, the scans you're probably going to post/or posted of Supes insane feats, please don't do that shit, save me the time. All characters have their insane feats. Supes has a lot of high end feats for obvious reasons--but he also has more average showings and nearly as many low showings as he does his good stuff. He has a shitload of showings, period.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Finally coming up with a phrase to setting yourself down?

Atta` boy.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
🤨 Ok, you just killed your credibility, and you have cast serious doubts to your sanity.

I, on the other hand am already sure you arent sane.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😄C's guns are often bigger. That's a fact. Generally accepted on this forum and others..

As they are written, no they arent. What DC have its less time between big feats than Marvel does.

And please, you go to ComicBoards or SuperheroChat and see if your opinion is universally regarded as correct.

Heck, not even at the DC boards.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
:Marvel guys don't have the insane feats that DC guys have...

Translation: "i just dont know of any".

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
:Name one of the guys who can move a moon, or a third of a planet, or stop the wheel of Mageddon, etc, etc, etc....

How about i name at least 5 people who have had planet force type feats?

Hercules-Hulk-Thor-Gladiator-SilverSurfer-Terrax.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
:You're the delusional one.

Maturity often comes after denial.

[QUOTE=8825660]Originally posted by carver9
I agree with you that superman is strong than a calm hulk but an enraged hulk>>superman strength. Do you know what durability means, Superman aint one punching no hulk.

Hulk has amazing durability, and he does get stronger as he gets angrier. However he also has a fatal flaw ....his abilities are linked to the level of emotional strain he is going through (in his particular case, sheer unabated anger). If Superman gets him before his anger rises to a certain level then the Hulk is out! And with Superman's strength and speed the Hulk would be out very quick. (The Hulk only becomes a problem if one lets him get his angst up, and in a KMC style battle that would never occur)!

Why didnt he one punch despero when despero was owning the jla and jsa by himself. Why didnt he one punch solomon grundy when solomon grundy was taking out the entire jla. Why didnt he one punch wonderwoman when she broke his ribs. Why didnt he one punch doomsday.

For the same reason that the Flash doesn't one-IMP every single villian he faces, and for that matter for the same reason why the Flash's list of villians include people like Gorilla Grodd! In the business of selling comic books you need more than one page showing one panel with the Flash (or Superman, Sentry, etc) killing a being under a second. It is for the same reason why Marvel had the Hulk fighting Wolverine (logically speaking someone like the Hulk wouldn't notice someone like Wolvie).
Now, KMC has a set of rules (read them: most people don't) that set the forum apart from comics. Per the rules all characters are not under PIS/CIS, theyare going all out, and a bunch of other stuff (the rules are actually one of the main things that set KMC apart from other comic-book forums, where it is just a bunch of fanboys taking a popularity poll. On KMC true logic can prevail due to the rules).
Anyways, how would DC/Marvel selling any comics if the month's publication showed the Flash/SilverSurfer one-shotting some poor oaf in one panel?
Easy ...no sales.
Thus you see people like Flash facing off against Gorilla Grodd, and people like the Surfer actually having problems with characters (the SS should have almost no difficulty wuth 90% of the characters he has difficulty with).

Why dont he ever one punch darkseid because they have durability of there own.

Darkseid (without PIS) is almost next to unbeatable. The problem is that most people think DS is just some strong dude who rules over a strange planet and has 'heat vision' coming from his eyes.
The truth is that Darkseid is a god who has a wide variety of powers (ranging from sufficient telepathy to control 3 billion Daxamites ....a Daxamite is the equivalent of a Kryptonian), and has sway over time and space with the omega effect.
To be honest, Superman fighting against dArkseid is pure PIS. Such a fight shouldn't last over half a second.
Thus one-punching Darkseid is not even a factor for consideration.

80% of the people on that list is nigh invulnerable.

That is the thing about invulnerability ....in most cases it is not real invulnerability.
If you are invulnerable then nothing can touch you.
However if you are not .....think of it this way.
If Spiderman was real, you punching him would be useless. He would easily withstand your punch.
But what if Rogue punched him?
Now Rogue?
If you punch her (or if Spiderman did), she would feel nothing (for you) and not as much (for Spiderman).
But what if Colossus punched her?
You see ....it is a rolling scale.
Being nigh invulnerable - especially when facing Superman - needs clarification.
Otherwise one can end up dead!

In the real world .....a Soviet-era T-72 Main Battle Tank is invulnerable. If you are sitting in it and i open fire with M-16s, AK-47s, Rocket propelled grenades, etc etc etc you will be PERFECTLY SAFE.
However, if I get inside an M1A2 tank, and fire a single round from the main gun (which can fire a depleted-uranium shell that has absolutely no explosive but just relies on its great speed, and amazing density, to punch through armor) then you ARE dead.
In the first Gulf War an M1 fired such a round, and it went through TWO Iraqi tanks.

Thus, just because you are 'invulnerable' doesn't make you so.
Oh ....and guess what Superman would be tantamount to ....a FTL speed super-dense Kryptonian travelling straight for Wonderman/Hercules/Hulk!
What do you think would happen when he connects at that speed?

50% of the people on that list have super speed of there own.

Even worse than the 'invulnerability' point.
Super speed is HIGHLY relative.

For instance, you do know that the Hulk has superspeed! Don't you?
He can travel at around 300 mph. That is faster than what QuickSilver was capable of when he first appeared.
To be honest with you, everyone on your list (apart from Hercules) has super speed.

HOWEVER, compared to Superman's speed it is all sloth.

EG: A scooter can travel faster than a human can run. However what is that speed compared to that of a 1987 Honda?
Now, the Honda can go well over a 100MPH, but what is that compared to a 2003 MErcedes SL AMG?
Now the AMG can go at higher speeds and with far greater acceleration, but what is that compared to an Enzo Ferrari?
Alright, the Enzo is in the top-3 tier of the world's fastest cars, but what is that compared to a World War 2 Era Spitfire?
Fine then, the Spitfire can move faster than an Enzo, but what is that compared to a Korean War era F-86 Sabre?

You see .....just because someone has 'superspeed' doesn't mean squat if you are facing someone with VASTLY greater speed than you do.

If your character can move at (say) Mach 1, and you are facing someone who is moving at near light speed, you might as well be stationary!

The team characters may have 'superspeed,' but against Superman it is to no avail.

Hercules doesnt really have SP but has countered it since he has fast enough reflexes for it.

The one thing Superman has, the one advantage he has over anyone here, its higher speed. The problem is, the rest he brings to the table isent something the whole team as a bulk cant counter.

He also has T,Vo, whatever thats supposed to do.

Thank you Spetnaz.

Spetnaz is probably one of the best debators on the forum, and the guy who always makes the logical arguements.

And even he says this match is a curbstomp. Supes wins under KMC rules.

😬 How do you reconcile that, with earlier posts stating that Apocalypse alone vs Superman can garner ~3 wins.

Because Apocalypse could solo this team as well.

Originally posted by spetznaz
[QUOTE=8825660]Originally posted by carver9
[B]I agree with you that superman is strong than a calm hulk but an enraged hulk>>superman strength. Do you know what durability means, Superman aint one punching no hulk.

Hulk has amazing durability, and he does get stronger as he gets angrier. However he also has a fatal flaw ....his abilities are linked to the level of emotional strain he is going through (in his particular case, sheer unabated anger). If Superman gets him before his anger rises to a certain level then the Hulk is out! And with Superman's strength and speed the Hulk would be out very quick. (The Hulk only becomes a problem if one lets him get his angst up, and in a KMC style battle that would never occur)!

Why didnt he one punch despero when despero was owning the jla and jsa by himself. Why didnt he one punch solomon grundy when solomon grundy was taking out the entire jla. Why didnt he one punch wonderwoman when she broke his ribs. Why didnt he one punch doomsday.

For the same reason that the Flash doesn't one-IMP every single villian he faces, and for that matter for the same reason why the Flash's list of villians include people like Gorilla Grodd! In the business of selling comic books you need more than one page showing one panel with the Flash (or Superman, Sentry, etc) killing a being under a second. It is for the same reason why Marvel had the Hulk fighting Wolverine (logically speaking someone like the Hulk wouldn't notice someone like Wolvie).
Now, KMC has a set of rules (read them: most people don't) that set the forum apart from comics. Per the rules all characters are not under PIS/CIS, theyare going all out, and a bunch of other stuff (the rules are actually one of the main things that set KMC apart from other comic-book forums, where it is just a bunch of fanboys taking a popularity poll. On KMC true logic can prevail due to the rules).
Anyways, how would DC/Marvel selling any comics if the month's publication showed the Flash/SilverSurfer one-shotting some poor oaf in one panel?
Easy ...no sales.
Thus you see people like Flash facing off against Gorilla Grodd, and people like the Surfer actually having problems with characters (the SS should have almost no difficulty wuth 90% of the characters he has difficulty with).

Why dont he ever one punch darkseid because they have durability of there own.

Darkseid (without PIS) is almost next to unbeatable. The problem is that most people think DS is just some strong dude who rules over a strange planet and has 'heat vision' coming from his eyes.
The truth is that Darkseid is a god who has a wide variety of powers (ranging from sufficient telepathy to control 3 billion Daxamites ....a Daxamite is the equivalent of a Kryptonian), and has sway over time and space with the omega effect.
To be honest, Superman fighting against dArkseid is pure PIS. Such a fight shouldn't last over half a second.
Thus one-punching Darkseid is not even a factor for consideration.

80% of the people on that list is nigh invulnerable.

That is the thing about invulnerability ....in most cases it is not real invulnerability.
If you are invulnerable then nothing can touch you.
However if you are not .....think of it this way.
If Spiderman was real, you punching him would be useless. He would easily withstand your punch.
But what if Rogue punched him?
Now Rogue?
If you punch her (or if Spiderman did), she would feel nothing (for you) and not as much (for Spiderman).
But what if Colossus punched her?
You see ....it is a rolling scale.
Being nigh invulnerable - especially when facing Superman - needs clarification.
Otherwise one can end up dead!

In the real world .....a Soviet-era T-72 Main Battle Tank is invulnerable. If you are sitting in it and i open fire with M-16s, AK-47s, Rocket propelled grenades, etc etc etc you will be PERFECTLY SAFE.
However, if I get inside an M1A2 tank, and fire a single round from the main gun (which can fire a depleted-uranium shell that has absolutely no explosive but just relies on its great speed, and amazing density, to punch through armor) then you ARE dead.
In the first Gulf War an M1 fired such a round, and it went through TWO Iraqi tanks.

Thus, just because you are 'invulnerable' doesn't make you so.
Oh ....and guess what Superman would be tantamount to ....a FTL speed super-dense Kryptonian travelling straight for Wonderman/Hercules/Hulk!
What do you think would happen when he connects at that speed?

50% of the people on that list have super speed of there own.

Even worse than the 'invulnerability' point.
Super speed is HIGHLY relative.

For instance, you do know that the Hulk has superspeed! Don't you?
He can travel at around 300 mph. That is faster than what QuickSilver was capable of when he first appeared.
To be honest with you, everyone on your list (apart from Hercules) has super speed.

HOWEVER, compared to Superman's speed it is all sloth.

EG: A scooter can travel faster than a human can run. However what is that speed compared to that of a 1987 Honda?
Now, the Honda can go well over a 100MPH, but what is that compared to a 2003 MErcedes SL AMG?
Now the AMG can go at higher speeds and with far greater acceleration, but what is that compared to an Enzo Ferrari?
Alright, the Enzo is in the top-3 tier of the world's fastest cars, but what is that compared to a World War 2 Era Spitfire?
Fine then, the Spitfire can move faster than an Enzo, but what is that compared to a Korean War era F-86 Sabre?

You see .....just because someone has 'superspeed' doesn't mean squat if you are facing someone with VASTLY greater speed than you do.

If your character can move at (say) Mach 1, and you are facing someone who is moving at near light speed, you might as well be stationary!

The team characters may have 'superspeed,' but against Superman it is to no avail. [/B]

spetznaz 😍