Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😐 GO READ A FLASH COMIC. He phases through walls, earth, and other things. He does it by molecular vibration and some speed force trick. SO SHUT THE **** UP, N00B! 😛
go put out a dish for your mother. make sure you use tap water this time..i can't keep wasting my money on the deer park brand.
Originally posted by Madvillain
yes, he can go intangible, but he doesn't have conventional intagibility.. 🙄and yes, there was every need for that comment.
Intangibility is still intangibility. box
Originally posted by carver9
Superman dies horribly in this fight. Team 10/10 and hulks stands over superman and piss on his face.
bash
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
MONGOOSES................ASSEMBLEEEEE!!!!!! 😎
Seriously stop saying that.
It reminds me of a certain show from the 90's....
Vision tells everyone to stand back and let him handle this. He comes out to the field intagible and let superman swing and shoot away. He decide to mimic superman shooting heat vision at him also. Then he still laugh effortlessly at superman trying to punch and kick at him and get bored and stick his hand in superman chest and snatch his heart out.
Then vision turns around and ask everyone do they want some denny's.
Originally posted by carver9
Vision tells everyone to stand back and let him handle this. He comes out to the field intagible and let superman swing and shoot away. He decide to mimic superman shooting heat vision at him also. Then he still laugh effortlessly at superman trying to punch and kick at him and get bored and stick his hand in superman chest and snatch his heart out.Then vision turns around and ask everyone do they want some denny's.
😆 😆 😆 😆
That's nearly as retarded as Rutog & 2damn's evaluation of Storm vs. threads....
Originally posted by carver9
Vision tells everyone to stand back and let him handle this. He comes out to the field intagible and let superman swing and shoot away. He decide to mimic superman shooting heat vision at him also. Then he still laugh effortlessly at superman trying to punch and kick at him and get bored and stick his hand in superman chest and snatch his heart out.Then vision turns around and ask everyone do they want some denny's.
giljotiini
PS - I will let someone else dismantle that pitiful tactic of yours. I'm too busy watching Ash's youtube vid.
Originally posted by carver9
Vision tells everyone to stand back and let him handle this. He comes out to the field intagible and let superman swing and shoot away. He decide to mimic superman shooting heat vision at him also. Then he still laugh effortlessly at superman trying to punch and kick at him and get bored and stick his hand in superman chest and snatch his heart out.Then vision turns around and ask everyone do they want some denny's.
1 word ... speedblitz
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
giljotiiniPS - I will let someone else dismantle that pitiful tactic of yours. I'm too busy watching Ash's youtube vid.
😗 I'm not doing it. you watched this show too? There are some errors, but it was a pretty good show. I used to watch it every saturday. Ultron had a sick voice. 😈
Originally posted by carver9
Vision tells everyone to stand back and let him handle this. He comes out to the field intagible and let superman swing and shoot away. He decide to mimic superman shooting heat vision at him also. Then he still laugh effortlessly at superman trying to punch and kick at him and get bored and stick his hand in superman chest and snatch his heart out.Then vision turns around and ask everyone do they want some denny's.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
😗 I'm not doing it. you watched this show too? There are some errors, but it was a pretty good show. I used to watch it every saturday. Ultron had a sick voice. 😈
It's funny how some of the Avengers was like the X-Men in their animated series...
Ant-Man - Cyclops
Wasp - Jean
Hawkeye - Wolverine
Tigra - Rogue
And Ultron was really, really stupid. The only thing he did was switching into different kinds of robot bodies over and over again, which was likely part of some sinister scheme to produce more terrible action figures for the kids...
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
It's funny how some of the Avengers was like the X-Men in their animated series...Ant-Man - Cyclops
Wasp - Jean
Hawkeye - Wolverine
Tigra - Rogue
And Ultron was really, really stupid. The only thing he did was switching into different kinds of robot bodies over and over again, which was likely part of some sinister scheme to produce more terrible action figures for the kids...
I said his voice was sick, never said his plans were good. 😄 Alot of these guys were losers compared to their comic versions. But they were still good. Vision was badass in this series. 👆
Originally posted by spetznazI remember one fight against a Superman level foe where Hulk was prevented from getting angrier through purely physical means. Past that, I've never seen anybody put down Hulk in one shot before he could get angry. It would have to be one hell of a shot. He's been reduced to bones at one point and was still going. Only needed a few seconds to heal back. Granted, it could happen. Superman would probably require a John Stewart buster punch to do so. But that took time and concentration. Not much, seconds indeed. But seconds is enough for the rest of the team to take advantage of. This is especially so when you consider you have four more opponents whose durability would require such a shot.
Hulk has amazing durability, and he does get stronger as he gets angrier. However he also has a fatal flaw ....his abilities are linked to the level of emotional strain he is going through (in his particular case, sheer unabated anger). If Superman gets him before his anger rises to a certain level then the Hulk is out! And with Superman's strength and speed the Hulk would be out very quick. (The Hulk only becomes a problem if one lets him get his angst up, and in a KMC style battle that would never occur)!
Originally posted by spetznazI never liked the "PIS/we must sell a book" argument here. Because the very same people who scream PIS when Superman doesn't one-shot Mongul, are usually the same people who scream PIS when Superman one-shots Despero. It's a common opinion that many people share, but I don't care for it. My opinion on Flash getting stabbed with a sword is located here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/344165_86-superman-vs-thor#post8826209 But let's get back on topic.
For the same reason that the Flash doesn't one-IMP every single villian he faces, and for that matter for the same reason why the Flash's list of villians include people like Gorilla Grodd! In the business of selling comic books you need more than one page showing one panel with the Flash (or Superman, Sentry, etc) killing a being under a second. . . . .Now, KMC has a set of rules (read them: most people don't) that set the forum apart from comics. Per the rules all characters are not under PIS/CIS, theyare going all out, and a bunch of other stuff (the rules are actually one of the main things that set KMC apart from other comic-book forums, where it is just a bunch of fanboys taking a popularity poll. On KMC true logic can prevail due to the rules).
Originally posted by spetznazMore of the same. Superman fans don't think it is PIS, Darkseid fans do think it is PIS. Regardless, it happened on-panel. Back on topic, like the original poster said... so Superman has the strength to one-shot an opponent... how many times have we seen it done to a high-end durable opponent that instantly won the fight? Someone tried using Despero. But being bitten by sharks-level durability does not impress me. Someone tried using Lobo, but as we see, Lobo isn't knocked unconscious in the least bit. You all say he could, and on some level I agree with you. He can bring enough power to bear, but it'd take time. The allegation here is super-instananeous knockout? Come on now. Not a single scan was ever shown to substantiate such a reckless claim. We're just supposed to take your word for it? Please.
Darkseid (without PIS) is almost next to unbeatable. . . . .
To be honest, Superman fighting against dArkseid is pure PIS. Such a fight shouldn't last over half a second.
Thus one-punching Darkseid is not even a factor for consideration.
Originally posted by spetznazThe same thing that happened to the Saturn moon. Besides the fact that he holds back his speed in the atmosphere to prevent collateral damage, Superman still does not have instaneous ftl acceleration from a dead-start like Flash. Even when bloodlusted and even when he specifically states he is not holding back. He's never shown to be able to do it in your typical battlefield setting. Indeed, there are more instances of him failing to meet such required speeds from a dead-start. Debates on both ends of that issue here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/362166_6-hulk-and-dr-doom-vs-superman-and-magneto
That is the thing about invulnerability ....in most cases it is not real invulnerability.If you are invulnerable then nothing can touch you. However if you are not .....think of it this way. If Spiderman was real, you punching him would be useless. He would easily withstand your punch. But what if Rogue punched him? Now Rogue? If you punch her (or if Spiderman did), she would feel nothing (for you) and not as much (for Spiderman).
But what if Colossus punched her? You see ....it is a rolling scale. Being nigh invulnerable - especially when facing Superman - needs clarification. . . . .Thus, just because you are 'invulnerable' doesn't make you so.
Oh ....and guess what Superman would be tantamount to ....a FTL speed super-dense Kryptonian travelling straight for Wonderman/Hercules/Hulk! What do you think would happen when he connects at that speed?
Past that, the instances we do see him torpedo into opponents with superspeed like Wonderwoman and Equus, we've seen them survive such attacks. I've also seen Hulk and Wonderman survive such attacks. So if you consider the torpedo argument while recognizing its limitations, we do see that the team members' durability is enough to withstand such shots whether or not you want to argue semantics about "relative invulnerability."
Now, if you want to give him some acceleration time for a moon-busting shot, fine. So he scoots out of our atmosphere, concentrates, focuses his telescopic vision to get a bearing and torpedoes down at the team. Seconds is really all he needs to do all that. Seconds is all the team members really need to defend. Sersi transmutes a dense adamantium wall out of thin air? Vision turns intangible? Same thing as the preemptive Hulk strike argument.
Originally posted by spetznazTheir own speed may not negate Superman's speed advantage, but their numbers, durability and abilities sure can. Flash is faster then Superman, and the Rogues use their numbers and abilities to combat him. Are we to assume that our team wouldn't try the same thing? We all have to admit that Superman has comparable speed AND super-strength. Maybe that difference is enough? But at the same time, you must admit that this team also has super-durability, which Flash's rogues usually don't have. Consider: It'd take a significant amount of damage to lay the higher-tier durable opponents down for the count. That significant amount of damage will come at the cost of increased concentration and time. Such time is all the other characters need to mount a defense or counterattack, especially when you have so many bricks available.
[b]50% of the people on that list have super speed of there own.Even worse than the 'invulnerability' point.
Super speed is HIGHLY relative.For instance, you do know that the Hulk has superspeed! Don't you?
He can travel at around 300 mph. That is faster than what QuickSilver was capable of when he first appeared.To be honest with you, everyone on your list (apart from Hercules) has super speed.
HOWEVER, compared to Superman's speed it is all sloth. . . . .
You see .....just because someone has 'superspeed' doesn't mean squat if you are facing someone with VASTLY greater speed than you do.
If your character can move at (say) Mach 1, and you are facing someone who is moving at near light speed, you might as well be stationary!
The team characters may have 'superspeed,' but against Superman it is to no avail. [/B]
How long did it take Superman to speedblitz Mongul down for the count? AFTER forcing Mongul to exhaust himself, it took several seconds of speed-blitzing to do it. How long does it take for Superman to mount a moon-busting torpedo shot? Seconds at the least. Now on the team's side you have access to instant transmutation abilities, illusion-casting, telepathy and telekinesis, intangibility, energy absorption and projection, etc. If you can't think of a single way the team could use their abilities and numbers to withstand Superman's initial assault and/or counterattack, then you're just not thinking.
Or you just want the team to stand around for a minute or so while Superman does his thing to take out each and everyone of the high-end durable characters out. With that stipulation, yes he will win 10/10. Otherwise, think of your typical Flash fight against his Rogues and how they use their numbers and powers to give Flash a hard time even though they have no speed. Then again, apparently your attitude allows you to instantly dismiss many comics as PIS. That's sad, because in comics, opponents find pretty cool ways to fight off foes.
Team 7/10.
....................MY GOD, HE'S COMPLETELY INSANE! 😱 He actually thinks Flash's rogues can beat him in a straight fight. Or that their numbers or skills make a difference. crylaugh And he doesn't understand the concept of PIS.
Guys, stop arguing with him. It's another Xmeat, but with better spelling. 😆
Originally posted by TricksterPriestMore often than not, they just give him a hard time and he eventually wins. But I've seen them beat Flash in a straight fight. I don't have to think it. You see, I don't make stuff up in my head like you do. I read comics. Comics are fun to read. You should try some day. 😮💨
....................MY GOD, HE'S COMPLETELY INSANE! 😱 He actually thinks Flash's rogues can beat him in a straight fight. Or that their numbers or skills make a difference. crylaugh And he doesn't understand the concept of PIS.Guys, stop arguing with him. It's another Xmeat, but with better spelling. 😆
Would you like to see scans of how numbers and abilities give Flash a hard time? Maybe I have to use pictures for you to understand that fighting more opponents with lots of abilities is harder than fighting one opponent. 😂
