Superman vs vision, hercules, wonderman, sersi, she hulk, hulk, mrs marvel

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Now now..no reason to try and be a grammar Nazi when you just learned how to quote. Take it easy, we don't want you to overexert yourself.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So now is "Hercules has a shot against Superman." Reminds me of a thread were Ben Grimm fought a Superman with his hands behind his back, no heat vision, etc etc etc.

...do you know what "Hand to Hand" is?

If you did, you probably wouldnt be too shocked at the notion that a character like Hercules can take him *that way*.

And Superman can have his hands free at that one if he wants.

Originally posted by olympian
Dont be such a smartass. I dont hide that i never cared about quoting properly at first, if not for the fact it got even me annoyed at it later on. A year ago.

Glad that you admitted that it annoyed you. Now imagine how the rest of us were annoyed. You don't want me to be a smartass to you? Then practice what you preach.

Simple as that.

Originally posted by olympian
...do you know what "Hand to Hand" is?

If you did, you probably wouldnt be too shocked at the notion that a character like Hercules can take him *that way*.

And Superman can have his hands free at that one if he wants.

Do you know what "depowering" a character is. The fact that you have to go pure H2H and it STILL is nothing more than an annoyance to Clark says something.

But keep your beliefs. Really. Do that.

Originally posted by olympian
The thread isent about who can take him one on one, its about if they can take him as a team. The obvious answer is yes. And even more obvious when they also are in bloodlust mode and using everything they got as per "forum rules". The rules dont apply to one party only, and its exactly what your doing because its the only way Kal gets an actual shot.

Man up. Either they all are at theyr best or none is.

Btw, you DO have people on the team that can take him solo.

Yes, I am aware it's a 1 vs however many there are in this thread. My attempt was to break it down into its simplest forms to try to get everyone to see an outcome. Follow?

And while some can take Supes solo, let me say for the record, he'd have to fight like an idiot. I really see Sersi being the only challenge to Supes, personally. That being said, that does not mean I'm saying the team cannot win. Strength in numbers most certainly helps their cause. But, my point also is if I can stay away form the bricks in this thread, I can choose to pick them off later. Understand where I'm going here? 😕

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Glad that you admitted that it annoyed you. Now imagine how the rest of us were annoyed. You don't want me to be a smartass to you? Then practice what you preach.

lol

And what exactly am i "preaching" here? That one should apply the forum rules equally?

If you cant do that, why do you even debate comics, at all?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Do you know what "depowering" a character is. The fact that you have to go pure H2H and it STILL is nothing more than an annoyance to Clark says something.

Yeah, what i though.

You dont know what H2H is. You could have just said so. There is no depowering there. In fact if we look at the normal showings hes got, he pretty much figths that way alike. fly- punch- fly- some Hv here and there- punch- enclose.

The fact that i perfectly say that Hercules best chances of coming on top of Kal is a h2h match, only means that im not what you are: a guy thats spends his online time in comic forums to do nothing but overrate certain characters.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes, I am aware it's a 1 vs however many there are in this thread. My attempt was to break it down into its simplest forms to try to get everyone to see an outcome. Follow?

No. The outcome of this particular encounter wouldnt be the same as him vs one on one with the team members.

As obvious as it should be.

Originally posted by BobbyD
And while some can take Supes solo, let me say for the record, he'd have to fight like an idiot:

I dont get your reasoning.

So everytime Superman lost solo against a certifiable opponent, he just wasent figthing smart?

Thats a rather simplistic excuse that can aplly to...nearly every character out there who isent certifiable dumb, like the Rhino and its ilke.

Originally posted by BobbyD
That being said, that does not mean I'm saying the team cannot win. Strength in numbers most certainly helps their cause. But, my point also is if I can stay away form the bricks in this thread, I can choose to pick them off later. Understand where I'm going here? 😕

If it was just the bricks, i could even see the debate, but as it is?

Originally posted by olympian
lol

And what exactly am i "preaching" here? That one should apply the forum rules equally?

If you cant do that, why do you even debate comics, at all?

Forum rules equally hmmm...

Originally posted by olympian
Yeah, what i though.

You dont know what H2H is. You could have just said so. There is no depowering there. In fact if we look at the normal showings hes got, he pretty much figths that way alike. fly- punch- fly- some Hv here and there- punch- enclose.

The fact that i perfectly say that Hercules best chances of coming on top of Kal is a h2h match, only means that im not what you are: a guy thats spends his online time in comic forums to do nothing but overrate certain characters.

No. The outcome of this particular encounter wouldnt be the same as him vs one on one with the team members.

As obvious as it should be.

But shouldn't forum rules apply "equally" here...

H2H limits one character here immensely although he still finds Hercules to be an annoyance more than anything else.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Forum rules equally hmmm...

Yes. Exactly what you werent applying in the debate.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
But shouldn't forum rules apply "equally" here..

And they do. A h2h match between both would mean that the two would have the same weapons to figth with the same mindset. It should also be clearer to you that i was refering to a type of match where Herc "could solo" Superman as an OT response in the thread. And thus it shouldnt read as "Hercules can beat Superman rather quick, so the rest of the team can just sit and rest".

All in all, to end your doubts sure, Herc would defeat Kal most of the times in a h2h match. By the simple logic that hes a physical peer in the class, and hes overall better skilled.

Originally posted by olympian
Yes. Exactly what you werent applying in the debate.

Yes lets apply them equally.

😱 Superman is moving faster than any of them can even percieve!

End of fuking story.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes lets apply them equally.

😱 Superman is moving faster than any of them can even percieve!

End of fuking story.

And he the uses Dragonball figthing mode to finish them all up in one second, before any can perceive a thing, rigth?

Now, when did he ever did that? Last i knew, forum rules didnt made a mention about making up abilities.

Originally posted by olympian
Yes. Exactly what you werent applying in the debate.

And they do. A h2h match between both would mean that the two would have the same weapons to figth with the same mindset. It should also be clearer to you that i was refering to a type of match where Herc "could solo" Superman as an OT response in the thread. And thus it shouldnt read as "Hercules can beat Superman rather quick, so the rest of the team can just sit and rest".

All in all, to end your doubts sure, Herc would defeat Kal most of the times in a h2h match. By the simple logic that hes a physical peer in the class, and hes overall better skilled.

Supes FTL punches them all to different continents..and then KO's each one. Half of them couldn't even take a good dose of HV.

H2H is still your opinion, and it still requires a pretty toned down Superman no matter how you look at it. Your opinion..Herc does OK...mine..Herc is an annoyance.

Originally posted by olympian
And he the uses Dragonball figthing mode to finish them all up in one second, before any can perceive a thing, rigth?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes FTL punches them all to different continents..and then KO's each one. Half of them couldn't even take a good dose of HV.

H2H is still your opinion, and it still requires a pretty toned down Superman no matter how you look at it. Your opinion..Herc does OK...mine..Herc is an annoyance.

Heck, your an annoyance, but i still let you have your opinion. No matter how wrong it is 👿

I still would appreciate to see Superman Dragonbawling top tiers to a ko before any can perceive a thing. SuperKameha-vo coming up next.

Originally posted by olympian
And he the uses Dragonball figthing mode to finish them all up in one second, before any can perceive a thing, rigth?

Now, when did he ever did that? Last i knew, forum rules didnt made a mention about making up abilities.

Or he do something like hit them full force in the face. That would KO or kill just about all them in one shot of except maybe Hulk and Sersi.

Originally posted by olympian
Heck, your an annoyance, but i still let you have your opinion. No matter how wrong it is.

I still would appreciate to see Superman Dragonbawling top tiers to a ko before any can perceive a thing. SuperKamehaT-vo coming up next.

Yea..you're like a fly, but hey...even flies have their place in the grand scheme.

After all, how can I be right if you aren't around to be wrong? 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or he do something like hit them full force in the face. That would KO or kill just about all them in one shot of except maybe Hulk and Sersi.

Now, i never saw Superman ko`ing the likes of Orion or CM or Ba, or Lobo, or Maxima or Mon-el in a single shot even when he was claiming not to be holding back.

Are you in the opinion, that any of those is multiple levels up of the Marvel chaps in physical prowess, by any chance?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Yea..you're like a fly, but hey...even flies have their place in the grand scheme.

After all, how can I be right if you aren't around to be wrong? 😉

This...this is madness!

Originally posted by olympian
Now, i never saw Superman ko`ing the likes of Orion or CM or Ba, or Lobo, or Maxima or Mon-el in a single shot even when he was claiming not to be holding back.

I don't see the Marvel team as anywhere near as powerful together as these guys would be. Orion, CM, BA, Lobo, and Mon El all have Superspeed and would likely wreck this team as well.

Originally posted by olympian
This...this is madness!

And..you love it. 😈

Originally posted by olympian
Now, i never saw Superman ko`ing the likes of Orion or CM or Ba, or Lobo, or Maxima or Mon-el in a single shot even when he was claiming not to be holding back.

Are you in the opinion, that any of those is multiple levels up of the Marvel chaps in physical prowess, by any chance?

Did you compare Hercules, Wonderman and SheHulk to people like Orion?

The others are closer but still not at quite that level.

Originally posted by olympian
No. The outcome of this particular encounter wouldnt be the same as him vs one on one with the team members.

As obvious as it should be.

I dont get your reasoning.

So everytime Superman lost solo against a certifiable opponent, he just wasent figthing smart?

Thats a rather simplistic excuse that can aplly to...nearly every character out there who isent certifiable dumb, like the Rhino and its ilke.

Certainly. But understand also the whole thing. This isent just him vs the bricks. Its him vs the bricks and two more powerful entities that can do more damage from the distance.

If it was just the bricks, i could even see the debate, but as it is?

Honestly, I'm really NOT for Clark trying to take them out by physical force first. That would be his downfall, IMO. The easiest and perhaps quickest way is by opening up with Heat Vision, which should lobotomize most all of them. Anyone left standing should then succomb to physical force.

You make valid points, Olympian, and are a good debater, but I'm on this side of the fence. 😬

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I don't see the Marvel team as anywhere near as powerful together as these guys would be. Orion, CM, BA, Lobo, and Mon El all have Superspeed and would likely wreck this team as well.

And as a whole i would agree, since the Avengers team have more weak links by comparation. But then again my contending point is that Kal never one shot a single soul of those. And the big guns here are as bit as strong if not moreso in respect to a few.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And..you love it. 😈

I have to admit that yes, i do.

I fest on chaos.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Did you compare Hercules, Wonderman and SheHulk to people like Orion?

The others are closer but still not at quite that level.

The comparation should be read as physical peers, not in raw "power" (aka starligths and bullshits) or versability.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Very well said/written. However, I think you and I shall just have to agree to disagree.

Honestly, I'm really NOT for Clark trying to take them out by physical force first. That would be his downfall, IMO. The easiest and perhaps quickest way is by opening up with Heat Vision, which should lobotomize most all of them. Anyone left standing should then succomb to physical force.

You make valid points, Olympian, and are a good debater, but I'm on this side of the fence. 😬

Appreciatted. Hey at least you arent one of the " he Dragonbawlls its way and ends all in one second" little crowd.

I should make mention that i do belive that most of the team wouldnt stay up in the end of it. Namely the lose cannons. I just think the combination of the bricks, with the high versability of Vison and Sersi will prove to be underhelming in the end when Kal only has one real advantage.

If you stay on the fence we can just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by olympian

This...this is madness!

Madness? MADNESS?! THIS IS SPARTA KMC!!!!

Physical peers? 😆 Hell no. Orion fights Darkseid in h2h, he'd one-shot these guys. Captain Marvel has the strength of Atlas, Achilles, Zeus and other gods. Black Adam has the egpytian gods, and he just got through putting down an asswhupping on half of DCU earth. Lobo.....is Lobo. He's taken it to Supes and won when he was piss drunk out of his mind.

the big guns aren't on his level, and he can one shot all of them.

Originally posted by olympian
The comparation should be read as physical peers, not in raw "power" (aka starligths and bullshits) or versability.

Well OK they're not so horribly mismatched in that case.

The fact remains that H2H is the only option for Herc, WM, SheHulk and Hulk. The fact that Superman is faster than them and has greater versatility is enough to rapidly dispose of them.

The others go down due to the fact that Sersi is the only one who can dish out damage that will really hurt Supes.