Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes, it has. Maxwell Lord timed a fight between Superman and Wonder Woman (I think it was Wondy) during which they went to mercury and back to earth. It was around 2 minutes. And this was stated on-panel, verified by Checkmate's computer tracking systems.Superman does have FTL reflexes. they would be a requirement to navigate at FTL speeds.
Did it say the word "Lightspeed?" No?
Then you didn't answer the question I was asking. Gee gee.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Yes, it has. Maxwell Lord timed a fight between Superman and Wonder Woman (I think it was Wondy) during which they went to mercury and back to earth. It was around 2 minutes. And this was stated on-panel, verified by Checkmate's computer tracking systems.Superman does have FTL reflexes. they would be a requirement to navigate at FTL speeds.
Not so.
He can fly at ftl speeds, but nothing he's done would suggest he's got the ftl combat speed.
And going by your requirements, Surfer and most heralds have ftl reflexes.
Simply not true.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Yes it does, he's running which means he's moving his limbs at those speeds. He has to move around obstacles at those speeds. He's even conversing with the Flash. This instance has led Comicbookresources to rule Superman has at least lightspeed reflexes.
Agreed. Not only has he run with the Flash at ridiculous speeds...Superman has also (off the top of my head)
Captured and wrapped into a ball a part of DS army almost instantly..something that would give this team a hell of a fight on it's own.
Vibrated himself invisible while following white martians.
Flown across large distances and caught bullets between his fingertips.
Drilled himself into the earth (spinning) while maintaining pinpoint precision.
Caught exploding shrapnel before it hurt anyone around him.
And let's not forget a simple fact..... People like Quicksilver in marvel (speed of Sound) would give these guys trouble with their speed. Even if Superman were limited to the speed of sound..it would spell trouble for the rest of these guys...especially when added to his strength, mass, and his own invulnerability.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed. Not only has he run with the Flash at ridiculous speeds...Superman has also (off the top of my head)Captured and wrapped into a ball a part of DS army almost instantly..something that would give this team a hell of a fight on it's own.
Vibrated himself invisible while following white martians.
Flown across large distances and caught bullets between his fingertips.
Drilled himself into the earth (spinning) while maintaining pinpoint precision.
Caught exploding shrapnel before it hurt anyone around him.
And let's not forget a simple fact..... People like Quicksilver in marvel (speed of Sound) would give these guys trouble with their speed. Even if Superman were limited to the speed of sound..it would spell trouble for the rest of these guys...especially when added to his strength, mass, and his own invulnerability.
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Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Yes it does, he's running which means he's moving his limbs at those speeds. He has to move around obstacles at those speeds. He's even conversing with the Flash. This instance has led Comicbookresources to rule Superman has at least lightspeed reflexes.
Just running isent showing reflexes on the same level. You should know that.
And since when does a rule CBR does becomes universal acceptable? They also have Silver Surfer beating everyone because of FTLS figthing mode and while Surfer travels at those speeds, and just like Superman he doesnt figth that way.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And let's not forget a simple fact..... People like Quicksilver in marvel (speed of Sound) would give these guys trouble with their speed. Even if Superman were limited to the speed of sound..it would spell trouble for the rest of these guys...especially when added to his strength, mass, and his own invulnerability.
Would it be too shocking for you to know that Quicksilver has been stopped by Hulk and Hercules alone even when using his speed?
There is no universal rule that says that travel speed = reflexes speed. Otherwise not one single poster (usually the ones who side with Superman in those debates) would have any reason whatsoever to dispute the fact that the DB guys can travel at FTL speeds, when they have fougth entire battles in seconds, or mere minutes.
I wanted to reply earlier but at least i managed to see more common sense displayed, overall. Good stuff.
Originally posted by olympian
Would it be too shocking for you to know that Quicksilver has been stopped by Hulk and Hercules alone even when using his speed?There is no universal rule that says that travel speed = reflexes speed. Otherwise not one single poster (usually the ones who side with Superman in those debates) would have any reason whatsoever to dispute the fact that the DB guys can travel at FTL speeds, when they have fougth entire battles in seconds, or mere minutes.
I wanted to reply earlier but at least i managed to see more common sense displayed, overall. Good stuff.
It's not shocking at all...after all...Gorilla Grodd and Deathstroke have tagged the Flash. I certainly don't believe they are on his speed level or that would be an average showing though.
However, this would be more the exception, more than the rule. I agree about the travel speed thing...thing is there is a difference between say Flash and Surfer, or Superman and Lobo.
Flash and Superman have shown their kind of speed physically, meaning they have complete control of their limbs.
Lobo and Surfer in the meanwhile, have only shown it travelling and while on their modes of transportation (Board & Bike.) You really don't see those 2 applying it in battle.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAlthough Lobo doesn't commonly use it, superspeed is listed as one of his powers.
It's not shocking at all...after all...Gorilla Grodd and Deathstroke have tagged the Flash. I certainly don't believe they are on his speed level or that would be an average showing though.However, this would be more the exception, more than the rule. I agree about the travel speed thing...thing is there is a difference between say Flash and Surfer, or Superman and Lobo.
Flash and Superman have shown their kind of speed physically, meaning they have complete control of their limbs.
Lobo and Surfer in the meanwhile, have only shown it travelling and while on their modes of transportation (Board & Bike.) You really don't see those 2 applying it in battle.
Originally posted by olympianThe difference is, Superman can and DOES fight in superspeed a lot. Whether or not this is faster than light speed, is unknown, but given his showings, it doesn't seem far-fetched. But he does indeed use high speed in battle. Even so much as to leave other superspeed character standing still.
Just running isent showing reflexes on the same level. You should know that.And since when does a rule CBR does becomes universal acceptable? They also have Silver Surfer beating everyone because of FTLS figthing mode and while Surfer travels at those speeds, and just like Superman he doesnt figth that way.
Although I know you won't and will just disregard them AGAIN as if they don't count or exist or something; Check page 5 for a few examples, or find some scans of other ones Avalon or myself has mentioned in the Superman Respect Thread, or elsewhere.
Originally posted by Juntai
The difference is, Superman can and DOES fight in superspeed a lot. Whether or not this is faster than light speed, is unknown, but given his showings, it doesn't seem far-fetched. But he does indeed use high speed in battle. Even so much as to leave other superspeed character standing still.Although I know you won't and will just disregard them AGAIN as if they don't count or exist or something; Check page 5 for a few examples, or find some scans of other ones Avalon or myself has mentioned in the Superman Respect Thread, or elsewhere.
You dont know what the hell youre talking about. Superman has never used his speed in any kind of way like dbz characters and the time that he did it with imperex was one showing that he might never do again. I can count on one hand the times superman used his speed in battle.
Superman cannot fight in super speed but he can fly at great speed. Theres a difference. I have seen superman do mutiple punches but the thing about that was that his body was still visible.
Superman loses this battle.
Sorry.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
It's not shocking at all...after all...Gorilla Grodd and Deathstroke have tagged the Flash. I certainly don't believe they are on his speed level or that would be an average showing though.However, this would be more the exception, more than the rule. I agree about the travel speed thing...thing is there is a difference between say Flash and Surfer, or Superman and Lobo.
Flash and Superman have shown their kind of speed physically, meaning they have complete control of their limbs.
Lobo and Surfer in the meanwhile, have only shown it travelling and while on their modes of transportation (Board & Bike.) You really don't see those 2 applying it in battle.
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Originally posted by spetznaz
[QUOTE=8825660]Originally posted by carver9
[B]I agree with you that superman is strong than a calm hulk but an enraged hulk>>superman strength. Do you know what durability means, Superman aint one punching no hulk.Hulk has amazing durability, and he does get stronger as he gets angrier. However he also has a fatal flaw ....his abilities are linked to the level of emotional strain he is going through (in his particular case, sheer unabated anger). If Superman gets him before his anger rises to a certain level then the Hulk is out! And with Superman's strength and speed the Hulk would be out very quick. (The Hulk only becomes a problem if one lets him get his angst up, and in a KMC style battle that would never occur)!
Why didnt he one punch despero when despero was owning the jla and jsa by himself. Why didnt he one punch solomon grundy when solomon grundy was taking out the entire jla. Why didnt he one punch wonderwoman when she broke his ribs. Why didnt he one punch doomsday.
For the same reason that the Flash doesn't one-IMP every single villian he faces, and for that matter for the same reason why the Flash's list of villians include people like Gorilla Grodd! In the business of selling comic books you need more than one page showing one panel with the Flash (or Superman, Sentry, etc) killing a being under a second. It is for the same reason why Marvel had the Hulk fighting Wolverine (logically speaking someone like the Hulk wouldn't notice someone like Wolvie).
Now, KMC has a set of rules (read them: most people don't) that set the forum apart from comics. Per the rules all characters are not under PIS/CIS, theyare going all out, and a bunch of other stuff (the rules are actually one of the main things that set KMC apart from other comic-book forums, where it is just a bunch of fanboys taking a popularity poll. On KMC true logic can prevail due to the rules).
Anyways, how would DC/Marvel selling any comics if the month's publication showed the Flash/SilverSurfer one-shotting some poor oaf in one panel?
Easy ...no sales.
Thus you see people like Flash facing off against Gorilla Grodd, and people like the Surfer actually having problems with characters (the SS should have almost no difficulty wuth 90% of the characters he has difficulty with).Why dont he ever one punch darkseid because they have durability of there own.
Darkseid (without PIS) is almost next to unbeatable. The problem is that most people think DS is just some strong dude who rules over a strange planet and has 'heat vision' coming from his eyes.
The truth is that Darkseid is a god who has a wide variety of powers (ranging from sufficient telepathy to control 3 billion Daxamites ....a Daxamite is the equivalent of a Kryptonian), and has sway over time and space with the omega effect.
To be honest, Superman fighting against dArkseid is pure PIS. Such a fight shouldn't last over half a second.
Thus one-punching Darkseid is not even a factor for consideration.80% of the people on that list is nigh invulnerable.
That is the thing about invulnerability ....in most cases it is not real invulnerability.
If you are invulnerable then nothing can touch you.
However if you are not .....think of it this way.
If Spiderman was real, you punching him would be useless. He would easily withstand your punch.
But what if Rogue punched him?
Now Rogue?
If you punch her (or if Spiderman did), she would feel nothing (for you) and not as much (for Spiderman).
But what if Colossus punched her?
You see ....it is a rolling scale.
Being nigh invulnerable - especially when facing Superman - needs clarification.
Otherwise one can end up dead!In the real world .....a Soviet-era T-72 Main Battle Tank is invulnerable. If you are sitting in it and i open fire with M-16s, AK-47s, Rocket propelled grenades, etc etc etc you will be PERFECTLY SAFE.
However, if I get inside an M1A2 tank, and fire a single round from the main gun (which can fire a depleted-uranium shell that has absolutely no explosive but just relies on its great speed, and amazing density, to punch through armor) then you ARE dead.
In the first Gulf War an M1 fired such a round, and it went through TWO Iraqi tanks.Thus, just because you are 'invulnerable' doesn't make you so.
Oh ....and guess what Superman would be tantamount to ....a FTL speed super-dense Kryptonian travelling straight for Wonderman/Hercules/Hulk!
What do you think would happen when he connects at that speed?50% of the people on that list have super speed of there own.
Even worse than the 'invulnerability' point.
Super speed is HIGHLY relative.For instance, you do know that the Hulk has superspeed! Don't you?
He can travel at around 300 mph. That is faster than what QuickSilver was capable of when he first appeared.
To be honest with you, everyone on your list (apart from Hercules) has super speed.HOWEVER, compared to Superman's speed it is all sloth.
EG: A scooter can travel faster than a human can run. However what is that speed compared to that of a 1987 Honda?
Now, the Honda can go well over a 100MPH, but what is that compared to a 2003 MErcedes SL AMG?
Now the AMG can go at higher speeds and with far greater acceleration, but what is that compared to an Enzo Ferrari?
Alright, the Enzo is in the top-3 tier of the world's fastest cars, but what is that compared to a World War 2 Era Spitfire?
Fine then, the Spitfire can move faster than an Enzo, but what is that compared to a Korean War era F-86 Sabre?You see .....just because someone has 'superspeed' doesn't mean squat if you are facing someone with VASTLY greater speed than you do.
If your character can move at (say) Mach 1, and you are facing someone who is moving at near light speed, you might as well be stationary!
The team characters may have 'superspeed,' but against Superman it is to no avail. [/B]
Profiled. Read it again guys. Hail Spetnaz. 👆
Originally posted by strengthkills
yeah i agree with the guy too really need to clarify if hulk is enraged or not it makes a huge difference enraged hulk can in my opinion solo supes but a calm hulk is about as good as thing,colosuss everyon on this list could go h2h with supes though so istill give it to the team
Thats what i was trying to tell mr trick that either of them could hold there own against superman and I also think that and enrage hulk could solo superman but superman fans think other wise when hulk have been fighting powerhouses his entire career.
Re: Superman vs vision, hercules, wonderman, sersi, she hulk, hulk, mrs marvel
Originally posted by carver9
Who wins and this team that I have superman going against is at full power.
IN less than one second, She Hulk, hulk, and Mrs. Marvel are all Dead. before they can react. The next second, vision is vibrated thru his intangible state and scattered and Wonderman is knocked out. Sersi is the only one left standing and then she realizes she is in the middle of the sun.
If Supers didn't have speed, he'd surely loose. But his speed is just rediculous. Does anyone remember when gladiator was beating the crap out of thor and wonderman on two sides of a planet? imagine that type of speed in one area. OMG. Team loses very badly.