Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Originally posted by Cavalier
Just my two cents, but while it may be the theologians and not the theology that should be brought into question when regarding christian slavers, it's just another instance of religion being used to justify inhumanity... even if the theology in theory shouldn't have any problems, theology becomes what you make of it. If a religion becomes the backbone for something as inhumane as slavery, and if this isn't the sole instance of religion banding people together to commit hugely discriminatory acts, then there's clearly a flaw in the system.

I looked at this comment and told myself I wouldn't respond, and yet here I am. If this were the appropriate thread, I'd be praising you for raising such an interesting point.

I disagree, though. If we are using Christianity as the example then I would still argue that the flaw is not in the system but in the person, or perhaps to put it better, in human nature. Part of Christian theology is that it is inevitable that it would be (amongst many other beliefs, including Atheism) used by some to justify their atrocious acts because while JC from Nazareth may be perfect in teaching and practise, the rest of us aren't. Therefore these repeated acts aren't accounted for by blaming the theology but by those who would repeatedly corrupt it. Eg. If I were to put people who couldn't drive in the same car time and time again and the car kept crashing, I wouldn't blame the brakes, I'd blame the guy or gal who needs a licence.

But like I said, this thread has become derailed.....where were we? Oh yeah. Hudlin? YOU SUCK!!!!

Originally posted by willRules
I looked at this comment and told myself I wouldn't respond, and yet here I am. If this werethe appropiate thread, I'd be praising you for raising such an interesting point.

I disagree, though. If we are using Christianity as the example then I would still argue that the flaw is not in the system but in the person, or perhaps to put it better, in human nature. Part of Christian theology is that it is inevitable that it would be (amongst many other beliefs, including Atheism) used by some to justify their atrocious acts because while Ol JC from Nazareth may be perfect in teaching and practise, the rest of us aren't. Therefore these repeated acts aren't accounted for by blaming the theology but by those who would repeatedly corrupt it. Eg. If I were to put people who couldn't drive in the same car time and time again and the car kept crashing, I wouldn't blame the brakes, I'd blame the guy or gal who needs a licence.

But like I said, this thread has become derailed.....where were we? Oh yeah. Hudlin? YOU SUCK!!!!

I was planning to respond myself but i think u pretty much covered it.

Glad to know I'm not spouting off gibberish 😄

Originally posted by willRules
I looked at this comment and told myself I wouldn't respond, and yet here I am. If this were the appropriate thread, I'd be praising you for raising such an interesting point.

I disagree, though. If we are using Christianity as the example then I would still argue that the flaw is not in the system but in the person, or perhaps to put it better, in human nature. Part of Christian theology is that it is inevitable that it would be (amongst many other beliefs, including Atheism) used by some to justify their atrocious acts because while JC from Nazareth may be perfect in teaching and practise, the rest of us aren't. Therefore these repeated acts aren't accounted for by blaming the theology but by those who would repeatedly corrupt it. Eg. If I were to put people who couldn't drive in the same car time and time again and the car kept crashing, I wouldn't blame the brakes, I'd blame the guy or gal who needs a licence.

🙄 Just ignore him.

lulz @ Alfheim

Originally posted by Cavalier
Then what do you say concerning a theology that is repeatedly used and manipulated to back up that corruption? Whether it be the fault of the belief or the believers, one lends itself to the other in order to create such a widespread belief such as how racism was (and, to an extent, is, though it's far less based on Christian "teachings" nowadays). You can blame person after person after person for justifying their actions through religion, but the fact is that they are all able to still use Christianity (or any major religion) to gain widespread support for whatever atrocious act they're committing. If any religion can be so easily manipulated to cause others to readily discriminate then there is a clear flaw in the system, as I said.

No flaw in the system my friend, just a flaw in the people who interpret it. Everybody interprets things differently (look at this board in regards to scans and feats) religion is no different.

Edit: Oh and for the record Im a non-religious person, very spiritual, but non-religious.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
No flaw in the system my friend, just a flaw in the people who interpret it. Everybody interprets things differently (look at this board in regards to scans and feats) religion is no different.

A dinner knife is not meant to stab someone, but I can use it easily to stab someone, making it a weapon. If dinner knife stabbings influenced people as much as religion does, I would say that there was a flaw in the eating system. But dinner knives don't launch crusades...

Originally posted by Cavalier
My point is that religion lends itself to anybody who wishes to discriminate against anything. Even if that's not the original intent, it happens all the time and ends in disaster.

Human nature leads to that. People have used pretty much everything you can imagine to justify horrible things, especially discrimination.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Theology is what you make of it, and if it's used over and over again to discriminate, it becomes discriminatory.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by Cavalier
A dinner knife is not meant to stab someone, but I can use it easily to stab someone, making it a weapon. If dinner knife stabbings influenced people as much as religion does, I would say that there was a flaw in the eating system. But dinner knives don't launch crusades...

Actually so many people used to get stabbed by knives that they eventually rounded off the ends to prevent stabbings during meals. Oddly they had the rationality to see that getting rid of the knife wasn't the solution.

Originally posted by Cavalier
My point is that religion lends itself to anybody who wishes to discriminate against anything.

Funny you should say that, because religion doesn't just lend itself to anybody who wishes to discriminate; it lends itself to ANYBODY...period.

Just because some wish to use religion for their own needs and goals does not mean the flaw is in the system.

Originally posted by Cavalier
Even if that's not the original intent, it happens all the time and ends in disaster. Theology is what you make of it, and if it's used over and over again to discriminate, it becomes discriminatory.

This is the problem with people in general, when things go wrong we always want to look for the source, "god" forbid it be something so simple as "them B***** are just crazy as hell". Whatever happened to that, somebody just being crazy as hell.

Originally posted by Cavalier

A dinner knife is not meant to stab someone, but I can use it easily to stab someone, making it a weapon. If dinner knife stabbings influenced people as much as religion does, I would say that there was a flaw in the eating system. But dinner knives don't launch crusades...

So you choose to only look at the bad religion has caused and not the good? No one will talk about the countless wars religion helped advert, or the countless good thing a religious person has done for society, we only wish to look at the bad. Don't worry though; its not your fault. Human nature it seems chooses to only dwell on the bad, look at the media, Bad news is good news.

Like I said, I'm not a religious person at all; but I'm not about to blast a system that I know can and will do good; even if people have twisted it to do wrong.

A dinner knife will always be a dinner knife; even after someone uses it for an unintended purpose.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Human nature leads to that. People have used pretty much everything you can imagine to justify horrible things, especially discrimination.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Actually so many people used to get stabbed by knives that they eventually rounded off the ends to prevent stabbings during meals. Oddly they had the rationality to see that getting rid of the knife wasn't the solution.

Originally posted by Cavalier
I don't think the fact that humans can use it to justify their actions is the problem, but the fact that it can cause such a widespread belief of something so horrible. That's not something you can fix, but it is a basic problem that I see with religion.

Religion is all about association and belief. If enough people believe that they can use religion to justify their actions, and do so blindly, then the original message of the religious text that they quote doesn't matter, because their new take on the scripture can catch like wildfire.

I never said that we should get rid of the knife. I actually haven't proposed a solution whatsoever. I just believe that their is a fundamental problem with how easily the manipulation of religion can be used to manipulate masses, regardless of the original theology.

Your, contradicting yourself in your own post.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Funny you should say that, because religion doesn't just lend itself to anybody who wishes to discriminate; it lends itself to [b]ANYBODY...period.[/B]

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Just because some wish to use religion for their own needs and goals does not mean the flaw is in the system.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
This is the problem with people in general, when things go wrong we always want to look for the source, "god" forbid it be something so simple as "them B***** are just crazy as hell". Whatever happened to that, somebody just being crazy as hell.

I don't dispute that the people were in the wrong to use theology in the manner that they did, or that they were crazy, and I don't blame god. But, as I've stated, I believe there's a fundamental flaw in the way that religion can cause people to act so blindly and convince them utterly to believe something awful.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So you choose to only look at the bad religion has caused and not the good? No one will talk about the countless wars religion helped advert, or the countless good thing a religious person has done for society, we only wish to look at the bad. Don't worry though; its not your fault. Human nature it seems chooses to only dwell on the bad, look at the media, Bad news is good news.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
A dinner knife will always be a dinner knife; even after someone uses it for an [b]unintended purpose. [/B]

Originally posted by Cavalier

Whoa... I never condemned religion, never said I hated it or that it's done no good- I simply said I believe there's a flaw.

So where is the flaw?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So where is the flaw?

Originally posted by Cavalier
The fact that those people can manipulate entire demographics to the point where there are repercussions lasting centuries and millions of cases of needless suffering means that there is a flaw in the system.

Originally posted by Starscream M
slavery is one of the reasons I hate the hypocrisy of religion

considering most of the slaveowners in America were also 'upstanding' Christians.

Originally posted by Ha Son

So....should we just erase religion from the face of the earth because someone manipulated it? Don't get me wrong, I will not go into my true beliefs about religion but I know people need something to believe in; or a reason for hope I should say. I believe religion was forged with good intentions but somewhere along the way the meaning was lost or twisted.

My entire point is that; It is not the Systems fault. We; the people forgot or twisted the design to fit our own selfish nature.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you realize that Christianity and the Bible were actually used to justify slavery in the South right?

Yea by twisting it wording and what it stands for. Not that the bible in any ay actaully justified it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you don't find it odd that not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of Christians (and churches) found absolutely nothing wrong with slavery.

pleases if your gunna state something, make sure it actaully accurrate.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Doesn't that indicate to you that the religion obviously has some issues with hypocrisy that its followers can mutter utterances like "love thy neighbor" one minute and buy a slave the next....to me, something is wrong with that picture.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Edit: Oh and for the record Im a non-religious person, very spiritual, but non-religious.

“Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints. (Ephesians 6:18)”

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So....should we just erase religion from the face of the earth because someone manipulated it? Don't get me wrong, I will not go into my true beliefs about religion but I know people need something to believe in; or a reason for hope I should say. I believe religion was forged with good intentions but somewhere along the way the meaning was lost or twisted.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
My entire point is that; It is not the Systems fault. We; the people forgot or twisted the design to fit our own selfish nature.