Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Originally posted by Ha Son
Where are you getting these stats from?

most of the time europeans would show up with boats and african men would sell them slaves. white men were not the ones finding them, it was there own people jsut seperate tribes. which is not surprizing.

Originally posted by Ha Son
These were different types of slavery. For example, When Muslims enslaved those they conquered the slaves had rights and had the ability to buy their freedom. In other nations, Mesopotamia for example, an individual can become a slave by not being able to pay back his or her debt.

Originally posted by Ha Son
East Africa had a high Muslim population, West Africa did not. Also, do you have any idea how African slaves were treated by European slave owners? ermm

oh I know I had to take lots and lots of classes that go into it........I am a history major.

Originally posted by Ha Son
Capt... 😬

what? You really think it wrong? Becauses I assure you there were civilizations that treated there slave much worses.

roman's for one would send slaves of any races though commonly white into pritty much a pit with hungery lion

iI think poersonally that people have way underlooked slavery elses were. Slavery wrong, no one should be a slave. But people act like african's are the only races thats ever felt the pain of slavery which is utter bull shit. Many races of all color have and that getts forgotten and it wrong.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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what? You really think it wrong? Becauses I assure you there were civilizations that treated there slave much worses.

roman's for one would send slaves of any races though common

iI think poersonally that people have way underlooked slavery elses were. Slavery wrong, no one should be a slave. But people act like african's are the only races thats ever felt the pain of slavery which is utter bull shit. Many races of all color have and that getts forgotten and it wrong. [/B]

The reason that the transatlantic slave trade gets so much focus is because of the time period in which it was being practiced. You cannot compare that to what was going on in the days of the brutal Roman empire centuries before. Not at all. Human civilization had progressed far beyond that, particularly the west. On one hand the concept of liberty was being promoted and on the other hand it was being downtrodden. People dont forget the slavery of other slavery of other nations of the world, they only focus on the case of Africa because of its period of occurence and because it showed the inherent contradictions and hippocracy of the Western world at the time. Further its effects are still prevalent in current society.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
history proffessor, documentry though can't rember the name.

most of the time europeans would show up with boats and african men would sell them slaves. white men were not the ones finding them, it was there own people jsut seperate tribes. which is not surprizing.

yea and others were enslaves after losing battles and were horribly treated, other had there legs cut off arms ect and left for dead.

I stated in a post right bellow it, I mix up religions for a sec. well before you posted this.

oh I know I had to take lots and lots of classes that go into it........I am a history major.

what? You really think it wrong? Becauses I assure you there were civilizations that treated there slave much worses.

roman's for one would send slaves of any races though commonly white into pritty much a pit with hungery lion

iI think poersonally that people have way underlooked slavery elses were. Slavery wrong, no one should be a slave. But people act like african's are the only races thats ever felt the pain of slavery which is utter bull shit. Many races of all color have and that getts forgotten and it wrong.

Even if the Europeans were not the one's finding them, they still participated for their own economic benefits. It wasn't only The Africans that were kidnappers as the Spanish and Portuguese both took parts in raids and kidnappings. I am not disagreeing with you that African's took part in the kidnappings, but to say 95% were Africans themselves is a bit far-fetched.

You mentioned people act like Black Slavery was the worst, there are various reasons for that, some of which Ultimate Thor already mentioned. However, one of the reasons being was because it dealt with the issue of race, with the ideology that that African's were naturally inferior; thus, they were best fit to be slaves.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
The reason that the transatlantic slave trade gets so much focus is because of the time period in which it was being practiced. You cannot compare that to what was going on in the days of the brutal Roman empire centuries before. Not at all. Human civilization had progressed far beyond that, particularly the west. On one hand the concept of liberty was being promoted and on the other hand it was being downtrodden. People dont forget the slavery of other slavery of other nations of the world, they only focus on the case of Africa because of its period of occurence and because it showed the inherent contradictions and hippocracy of the Western world at the time. Further its effects are still prevalent in current society.

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Originally posted by Ha Son
Even if the Europeans were not the one's finding them, they still participated for their own economic benefits. It wasn't only The Africans that were kidnappers as the Spanish and Portuguese both took parts in raids and kidnappings. I am not disagreeing with you that African's took part in the kidnappings, but to say 95% were Africans themselves is a bit far-fetched.

I don't think it is. Most europeans did not knwo the area at all, would cost way more money for the suplies, need trackers, and on top of that risking there own necks.

It was almost allways at least for the english that African's them selves who caught everyone and lot of the time the europeans dident even have to get off the ship.'

There also white men who would get african men to get other africans and he pay them and sell to the English, but would not do the catching.

Originally posted by Ha Son
You mentioned people act like Black Slavery was the worst. Well one of the reasons being was because it dealt with the issue of race, with the ideology that that African's were naturally inferior; thus, they were best fit to be slaves.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
soooo, is this thread about hudlin anymore?

probably not...

slavery is one of the reasons I hate the hypocrisy of religion

considering most of the slaveowners in America were also 'upstanding' Christians.

Originally posted by Starscream M
slavery is one of the reasons I hate the hypocrisy of religion

considering most of the slaveowners in America were also 'upstanding' Christians.

And the guy who took great steps abolishing the practise of slavery in England was a guy called William Wilberforce. What faith was he? Oh that's right. A Christian.

Slavery didn't expose any flaws or hypocrisies in Christianity simply because there isn't any in a teaching like "Love thy neighbour." What slavery exposed was the hypocrisies of practising Christians who were also slave owners. Nothing wrong with the theology, just the theologians.

This is already a sensitive topic involving issues related to race. I implore you not to worsen this "comic" discussion by bringing in an equally sensitive topic.

Originally posted by willRules

Slavery didn't expose any flaws or hypocrisies in Christianity simply because there isn't any in a teaching like "Love thy neighbour."

you don't find it odd that not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of Christians (and churches) found absolutely nothing wrong with slavery. Doesn't that indicate to you that the religion obviously has some issues with hypocrisy that its followers can mutter utterances like "love thy neighbor" one minute and buy a slave the next....to me, something is wrong with that picture.

Originally posted by willRules
I implore you not to worsen this "comic" discussion by bringing in an equally sensitive topic.

Originally posted by Starscream M
in other words, "its controversial, so lets not discuss it"

i doubt digi would allow it anyways, and it has nothing to do with comics. i suggest you drop it, or take it to the gdf...

So Black Panther got reset back to issue 1 huh...and

Spoiler:
T'Challa's in a tube thanks to the Illuminaughty(Doom) and Storm is in tears. Thus Shuri is most likely the new Black Panther. I wonder what she'll do with the Dora Milaje.

Originally posted by willRules
And the guy who took great steps abolishing the practise of slavery in England was a guy called William Wilberforce. What faith was he? Oh that's right. A [B]Christian.

Slavery didn't expose any flaws or hypocrisies in Christianity simply because there isn't any in a teaching like "Love thy neighbour." What slavery exposed was the hypocrisies of practising Christians who were also slave owners. Nothing wrong with the theology, just the theologians.

This is already a sensitive topic involving issues related to race. I implore you not to worsen this "comic" discussion by bringing in an equally sensitive topic. [/B]

Totally agree. Slavery only showed the inherent hypocrisy within human beings who claimed to be christians not Christianity itself.

*sigh* ......forget it.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Totally agree. Slavery only showed the inherent hypocrisy within human beings who claimed to be christians not Christianity itself.

Originally posted by Starscream M
you realize that Christianity and the Bible were actually used to justify slavery in the South right?

you don't find it odd that not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of Christians (and churches) found absolutely nothing wrong with slavery. Doesn't that indicate to you that the religion obviously has some issues with hypocrisy that its followers can mutter utterances like "love thy neighbor" one minute and buy a slave the next....to me, something is wrong with that picture.

Those evil dirty Jews also didn't do anything about slavery.

Failure to act on slavery only exposes things we already know about the era (most importantly that even well educated people believed blacks were subhuman).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Those evil dirty Jews also didn't do anything about slavery.

Failure to act on slavery only exposes things we already know about the era (most importantly that even well educated people believed blacks were subhuman).

Originally posted by Starscream M
you realize that Christianity and the Bible were actually used to justify slavery in the South right?

you don't find it odd that not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of Christians (and churches) found absolutely nothing wrong with slavery. Doesn't that indicate to you that the religion obviously has some issues with hypocrisy that its followers can mutter utterances like "love thy neighbor" one minute and buy a slave the next....to me, something is wrong with that picture.

That's not something wrong with the picture so to speak, but the one painting it.

Of course I find it odd, I find it extremely odd that they would twist Christianity and abuse this message as I myself am a Christian. This in itself, without delving into the argument any further supports my previous statement that if I, of the same faith, find issue with their practise then it's not the belief system at fault but the fault of those who use it to justify their own ends.

Originally posted by Starscream M
in other words, "its controversial, so lets not discuss it"

Well, yeah, exactly. This is a thread for controversial comics. Lets not turn this into the race and religion thread. ✅

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So Black Panther got reset back to issue 1 huh...and

Spoiler:
T'Challa's in a tube thanks to the Illuminaughty(Doom) and Storm is in tears. Thus Shuri is most likely the new Black Panther. I wonder what she'll do with the Dora Milaje.

Shuri?
I have no idea what that means. I haven't been keeping up with Black Panther, I stopped buying at Civil War. Anyone recommend it post Civil War?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So Black Panther got reset back to issue 1 huh...and

Spoiler:
T'Challa's in a tube thanks to the Illuminaughty(Doom) and Storm is in tears. Thus Shuri is most likely the new Black Panther. I wonder what she'll do with the Dora Milaje.

I dont know, some are guessing it could be storm. If you look at one of the variant covers check the hair and eye color.

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/comics/onsale/covers/0209/BLAP001_COV.jpg

Just my two cents, but while it may be the theologians and not the theology that should be brought into question when regarding christian slavers, it's just another instance of religion being used to justify inhumanity... even if the theology in theory shouldn't have any problems, theology becomes what you make of it. If a religion becomes the backbone for something as inhumane as slavery, and if this isn't the sole instance of religion banding people together to commit hugely discriminatory acts, then there's clearly a flaw in the system.