Either you're lying or you're being completely unfair. I replied to a post of yours...now...what do you think...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
OK...-Originally posted by Bardock42
W-which is actually quite the opposite of nothing.......something.Noooo! I mean a statement like “this is crap” means nothing ELSE about the MUSIC ITSELF. Look at my posts! That what YTSE fully agrees with me on…(just look above) because he GETS that if you think there is no such thing as good/crap music, then saying “this is crap” isn’t saying anything about the music "actually" being crap. The only thing left for it to say about the music is how it appeals to you.
Just earlier you agreed when I said…
-Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
The ONLY THING you could POSSIBLY MEAN when you say that stuff is "I don't enjoy it...it doesn't appeal to me...I really hate it"You CAN'T mean anything else...I'm sorry. Because as you said..saying "it's crap" does not mean anything bout something ACTUALLY being crap. So what are you left with...just expressing how it appeals to you.
AND YOU SAID…"Yes, that's exactly what I have been saying all along, good that you finally see the truth."
So either you’re trying to pull a fast on us, or you just weren’t clear on my latest statement. OBVIOUSLY saying “this is crap” means SOMETHING!!! I’m saying it does…it just doesn’t mean anything ELSE about the music ITSELF other than expressing how it appeals to you. I explained this in detail on my posts yesterday.
Clear?
So Backfire why don't you do something about this?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So how is music objective?Prove to us that any song is objectively good or bad. You get to choose the song.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Answer that.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So, prove a song is good or bad, EP.Prove it objectively.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Prove a song is objectively good or bad.-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Here: Smile by Lily Allen.Prove that song is objectively good.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Come on, pick your song and prove it's good.-AC
Is this the person you guys are siding with...doing THIS in the past 15 mins?
That's it...
Bardock42...You KNOW what I said in my post and are unwilling to come out and say in front of everyone that a) You do agree with me...and b) you realize how ridiculous AC's comments are in light of that. That's why you're keeping quite.
Victor Von Doom...you're LYING about not agreeing with me to save face...and you're ignoring the post about AC I asked you to show me is "shit" (as you said), because you KNOW it's not.
BackFire...no comment. You should be ashamed. You see what AC is doing.
And AC...I have exposed your fallacy for everyone to see...and you have resorted to the craziness I showed above to avoid admitting you're wrong.
I have totally proven I'm right %100 with my last major post...and the fact that you are all ignoring the discussion following it is SO VERY EVIDENT that I've broken through...it's in your heads…but you’re not admitting what you KNOW are the reasons why I'm right.
For the LAST TIME...
I'm not saying I'm right and AC is wrong even though (as you say) we're saying the same thing about what "this is crap" means about a song/music/band...
AC ISN'T saying "ALL you could be saying about music/a song/a band is that you like them or dislike them" by saying "this is crap". I'm SAYING THAT...and it APPEARED Bardock42 was was saying that...I know YTSE is definetley saying that.
To him it's MORE than that. He's ALSO saying they're "crap to me"..."they're crap in my opinion".
Though, he disagrees that "crap" and "good" are ONLY WORDS to describe why he might like or dislike a song.
Again...just look at what he says
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So if I think something is boring or dull, like Arctic Monkeys, I think it's shit music, like Lily Allen.
And he's said OVER and OVER that I've misquoted him as thinking “shit” and"good" can only be words to express your like and dislike of a song.
He keeps saying…NO…”It’s crap to me”…”It’s crap in my opinion”… "each person determines their own view and opinion on the quality of a song”
THERE IS NO “QUALITY” ACCORDING TO YOU AC…GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!
IT CAN ONLY BE “UNLIKEABLE” or “UNAPEALING” in YOUR opinion!!!!!
It’s not “CRAP” in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM to you…or it’s not “GOOD” in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM to you…”crap” or “good” are just WORDS you can use to express you don’t like it!!! They are NOT (to you) valid concepts for DEFINING MUSIC!
There is NO SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE or ANY "crap" to you...it's ONLY a word you can use. (But he's disagreed with it only being a word!) FINISHED!
There's NOTHING that I'm saying that is wrong here.
I KNOW I'm right...there's NO QUESTION about it. And there's NO MORE POINT in discussing this further with people who aren't MEN enough to ADMIT they're wrong even though I KNOW they know it.
I'm done...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESVictor Von Doom...you're LYING about not agreeing with me to save face...and you're ignoring the post about AC I asked you to show me is "shit" (as you said), because you KNOW it's not.
No point posting that. I know it's bullshit, everyone reading knows it's bullshit.
If you want to convince yourself, do it in your head.
(74)
Oh be quiet and stop ignoring what's RIGHT THERE. Take 2 minutes and just look at what I just posted above...if you have the guts.
But I know you don't...you don't even have the guts to admit you agreed with me.
Amazing.
In fact I challenge ANYONE...ANYONE to take 2 minutes to read my last post and show me how what I just said is false...and how AC's reasoning is ACTUALLY logical.
YOU CAN'T and you WON'T...and I know perfectly well why.
Okay, **** you, I will reply, and I hope you will answer the one question I ask you afterwards.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
OK...
Noooo! I mean a statement like “this is crap” means nothing ELSE about the MUSIC ITSELF. Look at my posts! That what YTSE fully agrees with me on…(just look above) because he GETS that if you think there is no such thing as good/crap music, then saying “this is crap” isn’t saying anything about the music "actually" being crap. The only thing left for it to say about the music is how it appeals to you.
Which is what I was saying all along.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Just earlier you agreed when I said…AND YOU SAID…"Yes, that's exactly what I have been saying all along, good that you finally see the truth."
Still agree with that.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So either you’re trying to pull a fast on us, or you just weren’t clear on my latest statement. OBVIOUSLY saying “this is crap” means SOMETHING!!! I’m saying it does…it just doesn’t mean anything ELSE about the music ITSELF other than expressing how it appeals to you. I explained this in detail on my posts yesterday.
I was quite clear, you just said it was saying nothing and then adding exactly what it was saying (something)
That's like saying "The sky is blue" says nothing, except that the sky is blue.
Which is correct, just most redundant. And stupid. Like your posts. And you.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Clear?
Was never unclear.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But AC doesn’t get this!
Incorrect
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
YOU CAN’T “JUDGE” SOMETHING THAT (according to you) IS UNJUDGEABLE!!!
Incorrect.
You can very well do it. Also, I (and no one else in this thread) said that it is unjudgeable, they just said there is no objective standard to judge it by. A big difference. Which you would know, if you weren't stupid. Like your posts are. And you. Especially you.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
He DOES NOT get it!!!
He does. You don't. Because you are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
If there is no GOOD and BAD music…then WHAT’S there to actually JUDGE? How are these criteria you’re using “ACTUALLY” judging or “ACTAULLY” determining the quality (as he says) of something that can’t ACTUALLY be found to be good or bad? Well…they’re not!
You can judge whether the person playing parts of the songs does so at a fast or slow pace. That would be one thing you can judge. There are many more, but you wouldn't understand. Cause you are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So, as I showed above…saying “this is crap” isn’t ACTUALLY pointing to any “CRAPINESS” that’s there…because there IS NO “CRAPINESS” there (according to you).
No objective crappiness, no. But it is very much applicable in the English language. Which you would know, if you weren't stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
”CRAP” or “GOOD” are ONLY…ONLY WORDS you can use to express you DISLIKE or LIKE something. THAT’S IT. THEY CAN’T “ACTUALLY” (according to you) MEAN ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT!
Not quite correct, but close.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
BUT HE DISGREES WITH THIS!
I doubt he does, seeing as he continually states how that is the only thing you can comment on.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS I MISQUOTED HIM ON!
You probably did, cause you are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
THIS IS WHY WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW!
No, we are because you ignore the real issue, which is your inability to prove that there is an objective standard in music, which remarkably has nothing to do with you being stupid, though you are.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
And then he kept saying…NO…”It’s crap to me”…”It’s crap in my opinion”… "each person determines their own view and opinion on the quality of a song”THERE IS NO “QUALITY” ACCORDING TO YOU AC…GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!
Incorrect. Stupid!
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
And it’s not as if maybe you’re using your criteria to GUESS that it MIGHT be “good” or MIGHT be “crap”, because there is no actual “good” and “crap” for you….So WHAT ARE you doing?
He is judging what he likes or dislikes about a song.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
ALL you’re actually doing by using your criteria to “judge” or “determine quality” of music (as you say) is ending up with reasons why you LIKE OR DISLIKE IT…NOT reasons why it’s actually GOOD OR CRAP.
Correct.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I’ll say that again…” ending up with reasons why you LIKE OR DISLIKE IT…NOT reasons why it’s actually GOOD OR CRAP.”
Correct.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
“Good” and “crap” are JUST WORDS you can use to say if something appeals to you or not. THAT’S IT.
Correct.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
BUT that’s what you MAINTAIN I’ve misquoted you on as saying you think this!
No. He is not. You just pretend he loses when he says it, though he said that from the start. Idiot.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
And you maintain something CAN BE “crap to me” “crap in my opinion”…or say it’s crap by “determining its quality”. IT CAN’T (according to your beliefs about music).
You don't understand English. Go die. Idiot.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
IT CAN ONLY BE “UNLIKEABLE” or “UNAPEALING” in YOUR opinion!!!!!
Correct. Unlikeable = I think it is bad.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
It’s not “CRAP” in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM to you…or it’s not “GOOD” in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM to you…”crap” or “good” are just WORDS you can use to express you don’t like it!!! They are NOT (to you) valid concepts for DEFINING MUSIC!
Wrong. It is good or bad to him. To help you out a bit (because you are stupid):
One of the definitions of "good"
satisfactory in quality, quantity, or degree
A song can be to his satisfaction without having an absolute high quality. Ergo (Latin: "it follows" (idiot)) he can say "this song is good to me", it is very much applicable in the English language, the English language being the language that you are unable to comprehend, because you are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But you KEEP SAYING you don’t actually agree with this. You said…”No”…”you misquoted me”…”look at the rest of my quote…So if I think something is boring or dull, like Arctic Monkeys, I think it's shit music”
You are stupid. That is exactly what he was saying all along, what you try to declare as your victory is our argument. You are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
“Shit music”…He’s not saying he doesn’t like it and is using “shit” to express this….no…it’s “Shit music”……to “him”. It’s “shit” in his opinion…after “determining its quality”Correct.
[QUOTE=8914386]Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Ridiculous…just ridiculous how contradictory he’s being. But it’s right there…of course he’s gonna try and somehow save face…but it’s RIGHT THERE.
Incorrect. Your appliance of logic is insufficient if not outright inaccurate. You are wrong with your conclusions, and what is maybe more important, you are stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESThere is none, you are stupid.
IT’S SO SIMPLE…but he doesn’t get the fallacy in his thinking.
This is the last time I reply to you in such length as your post are just repeated unintelligible garbage that no one ever should be exposed to. My question now, which I think I fully deserve an answer to now after this is this:
Why do you believe there is an objective judgement on music, on what evidence do you base that belief?
Originally posted by Bardock42That was kinda funny......and "thanks" for answering. It's appreciated.
Okay, **** you, I will reply, and I hope you will answer the one question I ask you afterwards.
Thing is though, there was a couple times where you said "correct" and then "incorrect" about the very same thing.
You need to be clear about what AC meant with the stuff he says I misquoted him on (which it turns out I kinda did...but didn't realize it at the time since it seemed he was agreeing with me)
-I was talking about how "good" and "crap" can ONLY, POSSIBLY serve as WORDS to express the way a song might appeal to someone, to use in their reasons as to why they like or dislike the song.
-He then said "precisely"
-I quoted him as saying "precisely"...(cause I thought he agreed)
-He then said I misquoted him, and that I didn't quote the rest of his post (meaning he meant something else).
-I've since then added what was further said in his post, and indeed it seems he does not agree with my original quote. And he wanted to add more of what he said to better show how HE uses "shit"... in a different way or more of a way than mine. So about the Arctic Monkeys, Lily Allen, etc he said “So if I think something is boring or dull, like Arctic Monkeys, I think it's shit music, like Lily Allen.”…He “thinks it’s shit music”…not SAYS it’s shit music…THINKS it’s shit music.
CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE? Come on!
So again Bardock, if I indeed did misquote him like he says I did (about him thinking "good" and "crap" can ONLY be words to express blah, blah, blah), and doesn't agree with me on this...then he obviously means something different or something more when HE uses "shit" to describe a song/band/music...That's why he asked that I use more of his quote to show HE uses “shit” to describe music…and it said about the Arctic Monkeys/Lily Allen “I think it's shit music “
-So know, be clear that he DID NOT agree with me that "good" and "crap", “shit” can ONLY serve as WORDS to express the way a song might appeal to someone. He disagreed with that because it seems like to him it’s more than that.
-And also know, be clear that he also DOESN'T think that the only thing you could mean by saying “this is crap" (about a song/a band/music) is that you like them or dislike them.
I think this... it APPEARED you thought this...and I know YTSE definitely thinks this.
To him it's MORE than that…and this is where I tie the two things up.
He's saying they're "crap to me"..."they're crap in my opinion"…but if indeed "good" or “crap” are (like he said) MORE than ONLY being words to express the way a song might appeal to someone, then he doesn’t think the only thing you could mean by saying “this is crap" (about a song/a band/music) is that you like them or dislike them.
There’s no way he could.
He says he “THNKS it’s crap music”…not SAYS it’s crap music...he's NOT using “crap” as a way to express how it appeals to him.
So ADMIT there’s a difference. ADMIT IT. Acknowledge the clear difference that exists there. And then we’ll talk objective music.
You know nobody will admit it because it's not true. It's about me, I'm telling you that you've got it wrong, so why would they agree? Anyway, onto the thread topic.
Come on, Panic Boy. Lily Allen, Coldplay, anybody you like or hate. Prove any ONE piece of music is objectively good.
I know you're avoiding me for the simple reason; Fear, but come on. Don't be a little chicklet.
-AC