Canada disgraces itself on the enviroment.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I don't really care what effect it has on them, I care more about having a healthy environment. If someone asks me, " which will you give up? your life or your money?" I choose money.

lol, ok then, let me make it REALLY simple for you:

the economic proposals you support are far more threatening to your health and standard of living than global warming.

That is even assuming that kyoto would have a real effect on climate change, which all climatologists say is bunk. The only REAL scientific support for Kyoto specifically comes from people who see it as "doing SOMETHING" vs what they see as doing nothing. However, as more nations develop national plans this has generally quieted into more constructive ideas about removing carbon emissions from the air.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I don't really care what effect it has on them, I care more about having a healthy environment. If someone asks me, " which will you give up? your life or your money?" I choose money.

But you still have no idea what effect we have on global warming, if we even make a tiny little difference. Wasting billions for an unproven theory is a waste of time and money.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, Cancer rates are rising to the point where it may become the leading cause of death. More and more people are getting sick due to polluted water sources and on days when air quality is perticularly bad people walk around coughing. It's not a fantasy and it will only get worse unless we do whats nessecary.

NONE of that is related to global warming

christ man, you cannot get scientific information from greenpeace

I don't but I also don't get my info from the Conservatives and the Republicans.

out-group generalization

😉

Not really.

alright, I've had enough of this for right now.

Mr starhawk, I guess the only advice I have for you is that you are wrong, and you need to remember that.

I mean this about everyone and everything. People as flawed creatures can never know anything with any certainty, and there are people who certainly have better understandings than you do, regardless of how much sense you make to yourself.

Clearly you are an intelligent person, idiots would never try to think of solutions to what they see as problems. However, your methods and tactics, relating to the absolute certainty of your position, are disgraceful. Clean up your act, learn some intellectual integrity, and chill the **** out and people will have a LOT more respect for you.

Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL you honestly think the federal government would simply allow alberta to separate? And if Alberta withheld those payments, the federal government could withhold financial support to the province.

And if the federal government wanted to they could force alberta to pay up, I don't think you understand that your province does not have the power to override the federal government..

Originally posted by Starhawk
How can helping to reduce pollution be a gamble?

I am an advocate of environmental care. Kyoto can not solve this because it will cause even more danger to the Earth if everyone were to follow it (if everyone does it, then more and more pollution will be in the air; Kyoto is it's own antithesis).

Simply put, it is bullshit legislation to get formerly undeveloped nations to buy into industrialization by saying they will have nothing to pay for the damage they cause. It is devious and dangerous. It is a trick. We need to look into environmental care, but not like this.

Care to discribe how Kyoto will cause pollution? That doesn't make allot of sense.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Care to discribe how Kyoto will cause pollution? That doesn't make allot of sense.

Read the second part about industrialization.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Care to discribe how Kyoto will cause pollution? That doesn't make allot of sense.

You are leaving out what happens with the "non developed" nations. They can pollute as they please with no penalty under the Kyoto protocol.

Originally posted by chithappens
You are leaving out what happens with the "non developed" nations. They can pollute as they please with no penalty under the Kyoto protocol.

Then the protocols need to be expanded to cover them as well, and any nation that does not comply should have sanctions put against it.

But that was the whole point of Kyoto - allow non developed nations to pollute with no penalty thus encouraging industrialization.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Then the protocols need to be expanded to cover them as well, and any nation that does not comply should have sanctions put against it.

But that isn't apart of the Kyoto Accord. Will you still support even with its flaws?

Originally posted by chithappens
But that was the whole point of Kyoto - allow non developed nations to pollute with no penalty thus encouraging industrialization.

Then yes it can be amended to include those countries. But that still doesn't mean Canada cannot comply with it's restrictions.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not really.

Yes, really.

At least I don't get my information from the liberals and the democrats.

See? I can do it too, and it still isn't true. Generalizing makes you look stupid.

Originally posted by J-Beowulf
Yes, really.

At least I don't get my information from the liberals and the democrats.

See? I can do it too, and it still isn't true. Generalizing makes you look stupid.

No it's true, the right wing is trying to discredit valid environmental concerns in order to protect big business.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No it's true, the right wing is trying to discredit valid environmental concerns in order to protect big business.

And the left wing is causing fear amongst the public of things that haven't even been proved to be true in order to make money and in order to make the right wingers look like a bunch of forest destroying idiots.

Once again, I too can make a statement without any proof to back it up, and include a sweeping generalization in order to make a point. It doesn't make it any truer.