Canada disgraces itself on the enviroment.

Originally posted by Starhawk
How can helping to reduce pollution be a gamble?

Because your spending billions of dollars on a theory.

And the effect of everything you do hasn't even been proven yet. While investing in the economy and improving the quality of life for everybody is definitely useful.

The only ones who doubt the effects to the environment are right wing conservatives who only care about money. They can test the air quality to prove that it's getting worse over time, our lakes and rivers are becoming more contaminated. There are proven examples of our environment getting worse.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Which is one of the things I have been talking about. Do you have a hard time understanding basic english?

DUH. I knew you were talking about it. But it is NOT a reason to raise taxes.

there is a huge difference between pollution and global warming

kyoto says nothing about lake and ground contamination. I would agree that a reduction in pollution is good for its own right, regardless of global warming.

And ya, nobody in the scientific community says global warming isnt happening, except:

Originally posted by inimalist

you cannot prove: a) how much of an effect greenhouse gases are having on climate change b) how much that change is due to increases in co2 c) how much the change due to co2 is due to man d) what the long term effects of this will be e) how likely it is that our predictions are correct.

If you have real answers to these points, that the rest of the atmosphere and climate scientists have missed, please provide them. Though I suspect this will be like your proof for capital punishment that you were going to pm me. wow, my intellect must have gone down in your book. Strange how that seems to relate to how much I seem to agree with you.

Everyone agrees that global warming could have negative outcomes, but it is the ENVIRONMENTAL and GREEN communities, not SCIENTISTS that promote doomsday scenarios. To most scientists this issue is remarkably complex, not the black and white picture you are painting.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
DUH. I knew you were talking about it. But it is NOT a reason to raise taxes.

Then why did you make the same suggestion and act like I was against it? And yes it is a reason to raise taxes.

Sure, it's a reason to raise taxes. It might not be a very good reason, but it's a reason.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Then why did you make the same suggestion and act like I was against it? And yes it is a reason to raise taxes.

How is a loophole a reason to raise taxes? If there is a loophole, you FIX it. You don't raise taxes hoping it will make the loopholes go away.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Sure, it's a reason to raise taxes. It might not be a very good reason, but it's a reason.

Your not adding much here.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Which is one of the things I have been talking about. Do you have a hard time understanding basic english?

And I highly doubt Alberta will separate, and I highly doubt the Federal government would allow them to. It's not as easy a process as you think it is.

And Inimalist, I would choose the implementation of Kyoto, the other option is basically a gamble on our future.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
How is a loophole a reason to raise taxes? If there is a loophole, you FIX it. You don't raise taxes hoping it will make the loopholes go away.

Do you even understand what we are talking about here? I am not suggesting raising taxes to combat loopholes. Learn to read english. I am stating we need to BOTH eliminate Loopholes and raise taxes to help comply with Kyoto.

Read over the thread and get yourself up to speed.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you even understand what we are talking about here? I am not suggesting raising taxes to combat loopholes. Learn to read english. I am stating we need to BOTH eliminate Loopholes and raise taxes to help comply with Kyoto.

Read over the thread and get yourself up to speed.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to go through pages of you making an ass of yourself. I'm addressing one thing you said which was idiotic.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you even understand what we are talking about here? I am not suggesting raising taxes to combat loopholes. Learn to read english. I am stating we need to BOTH eliminate Loopholes and raise taxes to help comply with Kyoto.

Read over the thread and get yourself up to speed.

what effect do you think this will have on big corporate and industry?

Do you understand the purpose of "loopholes" from an economic point of view?

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Federal government wouldn't have to let them leave, it would be entirely independent of the federals. While the Conservatives are in power it won't happen, seeing how Harper is Albertan, but if the Liberals come back there is a possibility. I don't you understand how badly everyone needs Albertan equalization payments. More likely than seperation is a firewall, which means no royalties to the federals on natural resources, no equalization payments, bascially going the whole Quebec route. This isn't the first time Alberta has told the federal government that they don't care what the law is.

LOL you honestly think the federal government would simply allow alberta to separate? And if Alberta withheld those payments, the federal government could withhold financial support to the province.

Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL you honestly think the federal government would simply allow alberta to separate? And if Alberta withheld those payments, the federal government could withhold financial support to the province.

I now don't actually believe you are from Canada

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to go through pages of you making an ass of yourself. I'm addressing one thing you said which was idiotic.

Your the one getting what others have said wrong, if anyone is embarrassing themself it's you. You can't even keep up with the conversation and get straight what has been said.

Originally posted by inimalist
what effect do you think this will have on big corporate and industry?

Do you understand the purpose of "loopholes" from an economic point of view?

I don't really care what effect it has on them, I care more about having a healthy environment. If someone asks me, " which will you give up? your life or your money?" I choose money.

Originally posted by inimalist
I now don't actually believe you are from Canada

That makes no sense.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I don't really care what effect it has on them, I care more about having a healthy environment. If someone asks me, " which will you give up? your life or your money?" I choose money.

Life? A little overdramatic, don't you think?

No, Cancer rates are rising to the point where it may become the leading cause of death. More and more people are getting sick due to polluted water sources and on days when air quality is perticularly bad people walk around coughing. It's not a fantasy and it will only get worse unless we do whats nessecary.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No, Cancer rates are rising to the point where it may become the leading cause of death. More and more people are getting sick due to polluted water sources and on days when air quality is particularly bad people walk around coughing. It's not a fantasy and it will only get worse unless we do whats necessary.

So you believe that we will all die if we don't sign the Kyoto Accord?