Orion vs. Avengers

Originally posted by batdude123
The f*ck are you smoking?

Probably one of the funniest things I've ever read on KMC.

He has none of the qualities that the heralds have, all he has is strength and speed and durability with eye beams.

I'll say it one more ****ing time.
When Superman can bend reality, bend time, bend space, bend the molecular structure of another being or change an object into something else, dimension hop, teleport, take over minds, create life, attack someone's soul, absorb energy or ANYTHING other than "punching hard and flying fast", then he'll be a Herald. But, until then, Superman is a ****ing high level middle character.

Originally posted by Galan007
Please repost the instance where [b]I said ANYTHING like that.... 🙄

Get your shit together before you try blaming me for things, (especially things I didn't even say)... 😉

Orion ftw. [/B]

Alright, i'll humor you.

What does he do to win? How does he pull this off?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright, i'll humor you.

What does he do to win? How does he pull this off?

And Orion simply has much more impressive feats IMO.

No need to get worked up or anything, if you disagree it's all good. 🙂

Whats next Kmc, Superman and Orion vs. Marvel??

Originally posted by UniOmni
Alright, i'll humor you.

What does he do to win? How does he pull this off?

I even said it'd go through Strange's shields, and I actually think it would.
In a slug fest, Orion is above Hulk because he's got the near unlimited strength plus superhuman speed and skill, too.

Honestly, though, if Orion hits anyone other than Sentry on the team with a full AF blast, it'll kill them. Check out the times when Orion let out a full force AF blast, it killed every character it ever hit.

So....blah. 😄

Originally posted by Faceman
Whats next Kmc, Superman and Orion vs. Marvel??

Originally posted by Faceman
Whats next Kmc, Superman and Orion vs. Marvel??

I don't know why this fascinates me...

Originally posted by Galan007
Take average showings of Orion /w/ AF vs. average showings of the other characters...

And Orion simply has much more impressive feats IMO.

No need to get worked up or anything, if you disagree it's all good. 🙂

Okay....

His most recent stuff, which is as stinky as shitty shit gets?

Should i go to his JLA stuff for his average?

His New Gods stuff from the 90's?

His occasional shitty appearance in Legion?

His Simonson stuff, which was his highest end, but still not head and shoulders above the assembled power of this team?

Or should i go to his Kirby stuff, which would have him literally stalemating Herc, while getting his ass handed to him by Hulk and the others en masse?

His highest showing ever no powerups around, was his Cosmic Oddy stuff, and that had Fate taking control of his power.

His average isn't above the team, which was my point entirely.

Sentry throws him into the sun, which works to the favor of averages, since Sentry does that alot(Mighty Avengers makes a joke about it), and we know Orion can't take that kind of thing.

Team wins.

I repeat, the only way this works out to Orion winning is if you take only what you like, and throw away the rest.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Okay....

His most recent stuff, which is as stinky as shitty shit gets?

Should i go to his JLA stuff for his average?

His New Gods stuff from the 90's?

His occasional shitty appearance in Legion?

His Simonson stuff, which was his highest end, but still not head and shoulders above the assembled power of this team?

Or should i go to his Kirby stuff, which would have him literally stalemating Herc, while getting his ass handed to him by Hulk and the others en masse?

His highest showing ever no powerups around, was his Cosmic Oddy stuff, and that had Fate taking control of his power.

His average isn't above the team, which was my point entirely.

Sentry throws him into the sun, which works to the favor of averages, since Sentry does that alot(Mighty Avengers makes a joke about it), and we know Orion can't take that kind of thing.

Team wins.

I repeat, the only way this works out to Orion winning is if you take only what you like, and throw away the rest.

hell, if Orion really wants them dead, he'll just turn his MB off. God help you if you have to fight Orion with his full rage........... scared As anyone who knows New Gods knows, the motherboxes are very powerful. So.....when you take into consideration how much of Orion's rage is held back and contained by motherbox and the fact that he has some of Darkseid's power........Orion isn't a berserker without his MB, he's pure killing machine. 😈 Orion can beat down most of the JLA, the dude is that freaking powerful.

Originally posted by mighty adam
....good point but orion written with no pis going for the kill is WAY WAY WAY over supes and sentry lv.

No pis = no showings i don't like.

*sigh* Galan, where are those scans of the new gods's true stature and powers? The ones with Orion and Superman that explain the boom tubes.

Can you please get them and show this fool why the new gods are beyond the avengers?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Okay....

His most recent stuff, which is as stinky as shitty shit gets?

Should i go to his JLA stuff for his average?

His New Gods stuff from the 90's?

His occasional shitty appearance in Legion?

His Simonson stuff, which was his highest end, but still not head and shoulders above the assembled power of this team?

Or should i go to his Kirby stuff, which would have him literally stalemating Herc, while getting his ass handed to him by Hulk and the others en masse?

His highest showing ever no powerups around, was his Cosmic Oddy stuff, and that had Fate taking control of his power.

His average isn't above the team, which was my point entirely.

Sentry throws him into the sun, which works to the favor of averages, since Sentry does that alot(Mighty Avengers makes a joke about it), and we know Orion can't take that kind of thing.

Team wins.

I repeat, the only way this works out to Orion winning is if you take only what you like, and throw away the rest.

His most recent stuff, which is as stinky as shitty shit gets?

His New Gods stuff from the 90's?

His occasional shitty appearance in Legion?

His Simonson stuff, which was his highest end, but still not head and shoulders above the assembled power of this team?

His average isn't above the team, which was my point entirely.

Sentry throws him into the sun, which works to the favor of averages, since Sentry does that alot(Mighty Avengers makes a joke about it), and we know Orion can't take that kind of thing.

Originally posted by UniOmni
No pis = no showings i don't like.

IF we went by EVERY showing, Dr.Strange --who most consider near skyfather-- would be be at IronMan's range. Strange has been beaten by friggin' thugs with bats before. Should we count that even though he's survived unharmed in the middle of a supernova? No.

I already said that Sentry solos him so why continue the debate?

Originally posted by long pig
-sigh- He's depowered while on the JLA because D.C can't have someone who's better than Superman on the same team as superman.

Actually, his 90's off-earth/new gen appearances were pretty awesome. ('cept on new gen, where even superman and his powers are nothing special and quite the norm

hehe...I remember him getting k.o'd nearly by accidently flying into the ship's side.
I don't consider Simonsons' run Orion's best showings. Early 80's and 90's were just as good, sometimes better. Like when he beat the hell out of Lightray...who is basically Silver Surfer.
Sure he is.

How the hell can Sentry throw someone who is as strong, fast and pretty much his equal into the sun?

You offer the excuse of depowerings, etc as if they don't factor into his average.

And LOl at Lightray being the Silver Surfer..

Lightray is a fast guy, who has limited photon control and has ftl speed.

His best showing ever, was when he slammed Takion through the sun...or was that a moon?

Either way, it was his best showing ever.
Along with that one where he created a sun.

He's usually just the fodderbuddy to go along with Orion.

He's got nothing on the Silver Surfer.

Orion isn't consistently above the guys on the Avengers, since i brought up his averages and you basically excused them away.

Orion has never walked over top tiers in comics the way he'd need to for even hope of his victory to exist here.

And he's blasted numerous people with AF and had them survive the encounter.

The General, Superman, Starfire, Darkseid. Not to mention Aggog and Mantis.

The guy doesn't do what you're presenting him doing, unless you take only his highest showings, and disregard the same for the opposing team.

And Sentry could likely bring Orion to the sun quickly enough, and toss him in there.

It'd probably be a fight on the way, but Orion can't fly naturally, so it limits his mobility.

And we both know Orion can't take a sundip.

Originally posted by UniOmni
You offer the excuse of depowerings, etc as if they don't factor into his average.

And LOl at Lightray being the Silver Surfer..

Lightray is a fast guy, who has limited photon control and has ftl speed.

His best showing ever, was when he slammed Takion through the sun...or was that a moon?

Either way, it was his best showing ever.
Along with that one where he created a sun.

He's usually just the fodderbuddy to go along with Orion.

He's got nothing on the Silver Surfer.

Orion isn't consistently above the guys on the Avengers, since i brought up his averages and you basically excused them away.

Orion has never walked over top tiers in comics the way he'd need to for even hope of his victory to exist here.

And he's blasted numerous people with AF and had them survive the encounter.

The General, Superman, Starfire, Darkseid. Not to mention Aggog and Mantis.

The guy doesn't do what you're presenting him doing, unless you take only his highest showings, and disregard the same for the opposing team.

And Sentry could likely bring Orion to the sun quickly enough, and toss him in there.

It'd probably be a fight on the way, but Orion can't fly naturally, so it limits his mobility.

And we both know Orion can't take a sundip.

Lightray is pretty damn powerful. You brought up stuff that is either PIS or in a team book where he's toned down. And that's not his average.

3 of those guys named could solo this team. Mantis has only one weakness, his enormous energy requirements. He eats almost any kind of energy up.

Orion has the Astro Harness, he can fly pretty damn well. And it's a part of him, he can take it out anywhere, anytime. So Sentry throws him to the sun? 🙄 As if that would stop him. Orion has endured the firepits of Apokolips, much much worse than most suns.

Orion can take a sundip. You greatly underestimate the new gods.

Behold the true power of the New Gods.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Lightray is pretty damn powerful. You brought up stuff that is either PIS or in a team book where he's toned down. And that's not his average.

3 of those guys named could solo this team. Mantis has only one weakness, his enormous energy requirements. He eats almost any kind of energy up.

Orion has the Astro Harness, he can fly pretty damn well. And it's a part of him, he can take it out anywhere, anytime. So Sentry throws him to the sun? 🙄 As if that would stop him. Orion has endured the firepits of Apokolips, much much worse than most suns.

Orion can take a sundip. You greatly underestimate the new gods.

Behold the true power of the New Gods.

Lol@ you.

Lightray is powerful on paper, but execution is where he fails, like many canonfodder buddies.

See J'onn and Wonderman.

And lol at Lightray having any kind of elite showing average that would need a depowering to explain away his low showings.

What teams has Lightray even been on, per chance?

And LOl at the firepits being near the power of suns.

Under the definitive Orion writer, in Simonson, he wasn't the most durable of top tiers.

And great job showing a scan of how the DCU is setup, to try and prove the power of Orion.

Maybe you didn't notice, but Superman was also gigantic compared to the planets as well?

Respect the power of Superman too, or just respect the way realities are setup in DC?

Orion's average shows that he'd likely stop, or stalemate the Hulk, much less Hulk and his buddies, along with Sentry.

Team wins 10/10

👇 You are officially retarded. You obviously can't read and have no comprehension of anything DC. **** this, it's not worth debating with a complete nimrod. My parents told not to pick on mentally disabled people. 😆

Originally posted by UniOmni
You offer the excuse of depowerings, etc as if they don't factor into his average.

And LOl at Lightray being the Silver Surfer..

Lightray is a fast guy, who has limited photon control and has ftl speed.

His best showing ever, was when he slammed Takion through the sun...or was that a moon?

Either way, it was his best showing ever.
Along with that one where he created a sun.

He's usually just the fodderbuddy to go along with Orion.

He's got nothing on the Silver Surfer.

Orion isn't consistently above the guys on the Avengers, since i brought up his averages and you basically excused them away.

Orion has never walked over top tiers in comics the way he'd need to for even hope of his victory to exist here.

And he's blasted numerous people with AF and had them survive the encounter.

The General, Superman, Starfire, Darkseid. Not to mention Aggog and Mantis.

The guy doesn't do what you're presenting him doing, unless you take only his highest showings, and disregard the same for the opposing team.

And Sentry could likely bring Orion to the sun quickly enough, and toss him in there.

It'd probably be a fight on the way, but Orion can't fly naturally, so it limits his mobility.

And we both know Orion can't take a sundip.

Did you even know he can fly? Dide you know he can summon the harness at any time?
Do you know anything?